Is hitting ur wife allowed in Islam

PakiAmerican · February 12, 2009, 4:19am

This thread is about "what's allowed in Islam" not your opinion.

Mabrook · February 12, 2009, 4:19am

Re: Is hitting ur wife allowed in Islam

i hav an uncle whom i heard used to battle flying pans n once his wife hit him with the pan on the head.She was some Commanders daughter while he was nothing at that time so he took it without any much reaction.Later on they got separated but never got divoced n neither wanted to remarry.their son who was very young then is almost 36yrs old now.Kia pyar tha un donon main.
I can't live with u n i can't live without u

Aish · February 12, 2009, 4:22am

So hitting your wife is allowed when shes being disobedient (she's cattle so it would make total sense). You ignant

PakiAmerican · February 12, 2009, 4:27am

Again
This thread is about "what's allowed in Islam" not your opinion.

To carry a productive conversation, you probably need to educate yourself on the subject before participating....

X2 · February 12, 2009, 4:28am

Mirch:

This is what I agree with.**

Beating Women Or Beating Around the Bush, Or…
Edip Yuksel

**“Verse 4:34 of the Quran orders believers to beat their wives; so, Islam is a male dominant religion.” Many of us have heard this criticism from Christians, atheists, agnostics, etc. Personally, every time I read 4:34, I felt that something was wrong. How does God, the Most Wise order us to beat our women? What kind of solution is that? It is in contrast to the verses in which God describes marriage:

“Among His signs is that He created for you spouses from among yourselves, in order to have tranquility and contentment with each other. He places in your heart love and care towards your spouses. In this, there are signs for people who think.” (30:21)

Obviously, this mixed messages have bothered many contemporary translators of the Quran. To avoid the moral and intellectual problems, they tried to soften the word “beat” when they translate the verse 4:34. For instance, Yusuf Ali uses a merciful parentheses after “beat” to save women:

“. . . As to those women on whose part you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly). . .” (4:34)

Many tried to “beat” around the bush to “beat” the problem generated by the “beat” of 4:34.

When I finished the Turkish translation (1991), this verse was on the top of my orange list to study carefully. Whenever I encounter a problem regarding the understanding of a Quranic verse, I remember 20:114 and pray accordingly: “Most Exalted is God, the only true King. Do not rush into (understanding) the Quran before it is revealed to you, and say, ‘My Lord, increase my knowledge.’”

Almost all of the translations have mistranslated the four key words or terms of this particular verse. These are: “Qawwamune,” “Faddallallahu ba’dahum ala ba’d,” “Nushuzehunne,” and “Fadribuhunne.” In our late book, “Errors in Turkish Translations” (Istanbul, 1992) we have discussed the real meaning of these words and the motivation and reasons for mistranslating them. Here, we will focus on the last word, “Fadribuhunne.”

A Famous Multi-Meaning Word

The problem comes from the word “Idribuhunne” which we used to translate as “beat them”. The root of this word is “DaRaBa”. If you look at any Arabic dictionary you will find a long list of meanings ascribed to this word. That list is one of the longest list in whole Arabic dictionary. It can be said that “DaRaBa” is the number-one multi-meaning word in Arabic. It has so many different meanings, we can find numerous different meanings ascribed to it in the Quran.

To travel, to get out: 3:156; 4:101; 38:44; 73:20; 2:273
To strike: 2:60,73; 7:160; 8:12; 20:77; 24:31; 26:63; 37:93; 47:4
To beat: 8:50; 47:27
To set up: 43:58; 57:13
To give (examples): 14:24,45; 16:75,76,112; 18:32,45; 24:35; 30:28,58; 36:78; 39:27,29; 43:17; 59:21; 66:10,11
To take away, to ignore: 43:5
To condemn: 2:61
To seal, to draw over: 18:11
To cover: 24:31
To explain: 13:17

As you see, in Quran alone we can witness the verb “DaRaBa” having at least ten different meanings. “DaRaBa” has also other meanings which are not mentioned in the Quran. For example, in the Arabic language, you do not print money–you “DaRaBa” money, you do not multiply numbers–you “DaRaBa” numbers, you do not cease the work–you “DaRaBa” the work. In Turkish we have many verbs similar to DaRaBa, such as “tutmak”, “calmak”, “vurmak” etc. In English we have two verbs which are almost equivalent to “DaRaBa”. These are “strike” and “beat”.

Webster’s Dictionary gives fourteen meanings to the verb “strike”: hit (against); ignite; (of snake) bite; (of plants) (cause to) take root; attack; hook (fish); sound (time) as bell in clock etc.; affect; arrive at, come upon; enter mind of; discover (gold, oil etc.); dismantle, remove; make (coin); cease work as protest or to make demands. The same dictionary gives eight meanings to the verb “beat”: strike repeatedly; overcome; surpass; stir vigorously with striking action; flap (wings); make, wear (path); throb; sail against wind.

In the beginning of this article (underlined) I deliberately used “beat” in three different meanings in a single statement just to show the variety of meanings in a single word. In English, when we order someone to “beat it” we mean “get out”. Similarly in Arabic, when we order someone with the command form of “DaRaBa”, that is “iDRiB”, we mean “get out”.

How Can We Find The Appropriate Meaning

When we encounter a multi-meaning word, we select the proper meaning according to the context, forms, and common sense. For instance, if we had have translated “DaRaBa” in 13:17 as “beat” instead of “explain”, the meaning would be ridiculous:

“. . . God thus beats the truth and falsehood." (13:17)

Another example of mistranslation of “DaRaBa” can be found in the translation of 38:44. All the translations (except Dr. Khalifa’s translation) inject a male-made story to justify their silly translation. Here is how Yusuf Ali translates the verse about Job:

“And take in the hand a little grass, and strike therewith: and break not (the oath).”

Yusuf Ali, in the footnote narrates the traditional story: “He (Job) must have said in his haste to the woman that he would beat her: he is asked now to correct her with only a wisp of grass, to show that he was gentle and humble as well as patient and constant.”

However, without injecting this story, we can translate it as the following:

“Now, you shall travel the land to fulfill your pledge (that is to deliver the message).” We found him steadfast. What a good servant! He was a submitter. (38:44)

Let’s turn back to 4:34

Additionally, the word “Nushuz” which is generally translated as “opposition” has another meaning which can be translated as degrees of disloyalty ranging from flirtation to sexual liaison. If we study 4:34 carefully we will find a clue that leads us to translate that word as “flirting or cheating” or “extramarital affair” (Any word or words that reflect the range of disloyalty in marriage). The clue is the phrase before “Nushuz” as reads: “. . . and observe God’s commandments, even when alone in their privacy.” This phrase emphasizes the importance of loyalty in marriage life.

Furthermore, the same word “Nushuz” is used in 4:128, but it is used to describe the misbehavior of husbands not wives as was in 4:34. So, the traditional translation of “Nushuz”, that is, “opposition” will not fit here. In vertical relations, “opposition” cannot be a double-edged behavior. So, translators try to avoid this contradiction by ascribing just the opposite meaning of “opposition”, i.e., “oppression” in verse 4:128. However, the meaning of “Nushuz” as “disloyalty” is appropriate for both cases described in 4:34 and 4:128.

A Coherent Understanding

When we read 4:34 we should not understand “idribuhunne” as “beat those women”. We must remember that this word has many meanings. God gives us three ways of dealing with extra-marital-affair. In the beginning stage of such misbehavior husband should start from giving advice. If it does not work and she goes further and commits a proven adultery, that time husband has the right to strike them out (4:34 & 65:1).

Let’s present our suggestion for the translation of verse 4:34

“Men traditionally take care of women, since God has endowed each of them with certain qualities and men spend from their financial resources. The righteous women are obedient (to God) and during the absence (of their husband) they honor them according to God’s commandment. As for those women whom you are experiencing a fear of disloyalty from, you shall first advice them, then (if they continue) you may desert them in bed, then you may strike them out. If they obey you then don’t transgress against them. God is Most High, Supreme.” (4:34).

Beating women who are cheating is not an ultimate solution; but “striking them out” from your house is the best solution. And it is fair too.

Source: Unorthodox Articles

Thank you, it kinda got ignored by our slap happy netizens so thought it would be a good idea to show it again.

I believe you are right.

Aish · February 12, 2009, 4:31am

I am very educated on the subject at hand, I just don't think my input ON the subject matter is necessary considering its been discussed a thousand times and most of you think its funny to begin with

Mabrook · February 12, 2009, 4:33am

she's no cattle n islam is not abusive.its just some guys who hav temper probs use islam to support their evil behaviour towards their wives.however their r ladies who r too out of control n such rulings r to discipline them only.its because Islam wants a couple to avoid divorce as much as possible n try everything else b4 choosing the final course.Islam wants couples to put more effort into a relationship n don't offer divorce as an easy solution to every prob.

y would anybody find it funny?its a serious social prob

Bonbonniere · February 12, 2009, 4:36am

Re: Is hitting ur wife allowed in Islam

Husband beating is allowed...in fact encouraged.

PakiAmerican · February 12, 2009, 4:36am

I always felt it's sad never funny. It is always used for wrong reasons and no sane man would support this. Remember it is Allowed not a must do...

Mabrook · February 12, 2009, 4:44am

no it not encouraged but only as a last resort.hav u ever heard any story abt prophet or a reknown Sahaba did that?

Straight_up · February 12, 2009, 4:44am

Encouraged? I wonder why.

P.S. I like PSquared more

Aish · February 12, 2009, 4:44am

discipline them? You want to discipline a woman who's your wife? Not your child, not your pet but your WIFE. You don't discipline a wife. And you're implying that women are the root of most divorces. I'm done

Mabrook · February 12, 2009, 4:46am

n u claim u r well informed on the topic.good for u

PakiAmerican · February 12, 2009, 4:47am

That is what i recommended the nice emotional lady to educate herself.....lol

PakiAmerican · February 12, 2009, 4:49am

He/She is joking. He/She meant wife beating husband is allowed.

Mabrook · February 12, 2009, 4:50am

Re: Is hitting ur wife allowed in Islam

^sorry read it the other way :)

Aish · February 12, 2009, 4:51am

Maybe Islam is being manipulated ^

Anyway I'm glad you think I'm a nice emotional lady and, well, if I'm outta control in the near future I'll need to be disciplined. I'm screwed.

:)

Gr8Heera · February 12, 2009, 6:27am

Quran main hai

Musalman wo hai jis kay hath aur zuban say kisi doosray musalman ko nuqsaan na ponhchaay.

How can beating be encouraged in islam?

Numb · February 12, 2009, 9:12am

Re: Is hitting ur wife allowed in Islam

Hitting wife in Islam is NOT ALLOWED. Follow the path of the Prophet Muhammad (saw). He never hit anyone in his entire life. Even not when some hypocrites accused Hazrat Aicha of having commited adultery (nauzobillah) when she lost her chain and the caravan forget her and another man!

What will hitting give you? Peace of Mind? Hitting is for those who see no sense in life!

hareem01 · February 12, 2009, 10:07am

i think its a hadith.