Oh and one more question about Islam teaching of receiving the virgins in heaven for men, does this make you feel good as a woman? To know that your husband (particular the ones who die as martyrs) wish to die to go retrieve the virgins? That is just crazy to me, I do not understand this at all, and the part about men partaking up to four wives, what is the purpose of this?
Thanx for asking.
in case of Seperation or divorce In islam women are supposed to raise the kids till the time they reach puberty, but as they are children of the father…he has to provide for them…but if the woman says she can do it herself..it is her duty…after puberty basically it is father’s duty to find a good home for her daughter…and ofcourse to bring her up… but it is a mutual agreement…and ofcourse if the hubby is charachterless wife get to keep the child and vice versa. if the woman is charcterless the hubby has to take care of the children even before puberty.
Abt hurs…that’s a funny subject actually…i guess there was a discussion on that issue a little while ago..
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the thing is that in those times as i sai before polygamy etc etc was prevelant…so iguess the hurs have been defined as virgins…but actually paradise is a state of full satisfaction…there u will get what ever u want to have…and hurs (both men and women) will be there to beautify the scenery of heaven to take care of the needs of the ppl. Sex is a dirty thing…and in paradise there won’t be any concept of it as there is no concept of bearing children
actually i’ll have to be a bit elaborate on this subject so i’ll PM u if u don’t mind…just tell me.
Pm will be fine thank you.
The thing with the letter J is in the interaction of the Anglo-Saxon people in Britain from where the English language was formed. The Germans pronounce J as Y. This is no proof of the invalidity of the Scriptures at all, just the flaws in adopting languages. Allah is acknowledged as the proper term for father, as spoken by the Christos. There is a need for a serious, unflawed Bible. There should be no contradictions or errors for nearer perfect understanding. BTW, the Qu'ran was passed down orally, as was the OT, as was the NT. If the divine were not involved in this to any degree, posterity might have ended up with more myth than truth. The linking of the announcement of the Virgin birth by Gabriel in both NT and Qu'ranic verses does not prove the veracity of the identity of Gabriel. The identity of Gabriel in the Qu'ran has yet to be proven to me by any Qu'ranic verse. This does not indict Mohammad in any way!
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wonderingandwaiting sighs; Ibriham you will never understand will you. I have a question for you, are you arabic?
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Ibrahim says: Greetings of Peace to one and all
Dear W&W,
hmmmm, you spelt my name wrong, I hope it was just a typo and excusable in this medium . ** so even after giving you irrefutable evidence you will claim I am wrong?** What kind of honesty do you have and wish to practice? Names do not change in other languages . Meaning if you went to another country your name will not get altered, as such my mother tongue has nothing to with this.
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Now to the letter thing, J is in the english language, therefore is a valid concept to that which we speak of, it does not matter if there were no J in the hebrew, greek, or arabic translations because the name means the same in all.
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Ibrahim says: What are you saying, will you accept If I changed your name in other languages?? Hello, lets say your name is “Karen”, will you accept if others started calling you “Jaren” because you went to Japan ??? or moron if you go to Malaysia??
** So please, accept the TRUTH and mix not Truth with falsehood **
The Prophet and SIGN Allah sent was given a unique name, which was “ Eesa “ (pbuh) and he taught and practiced Islam but since Christians redesigned it, they also altered his name to Jesus, which means the bible contains lies, which today you claim as the Truth
Now , you can d as you like with your life, but that will not change the TRUTH and the TRUTH is, there NEVER was any person called Jesus but only a person named Eesa (pbuh} who was the Christ/Messiah who was sent to mankind as a Sign which included his mother too.
O pleased , if you think, you have established anything by your above reply and covered up truth with falsehood, sorry you cannot and the TRUTH will always remain TRUE, ** whilst you have chosen to accept and practice falsehood believing it is the truth, when it is so glaringly CLEAR that you are in error. **
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Now about the virgin, it does not matter that YOU believe Mary was a vigin or not, the simple fact that God supplied the information to the prophets and to Mary and Joseph themselves is enough to believe, that is where faith steps in.
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Ibrahim says: Yes! BLIND FAITH, just like your BLIND Faith in the belief that there was a JESUS even though I proofed there isn’t a Jesus but only Eesa.
BTW at those times, no one would have believed, if Mary did not proof she was a virgin and HOW in the world will the Prophesy materialize if proof was lacking?? Think! And Think carefully, Isaiah 7:14 says that mankind will have to look out for this sign, the sign being a virgin will conceive ( which is miracle on its own)
** Thus are you so dull, that without proof that a virgin conceived, that prophesy becomes null and void??**
BTW the bible does not have this proof ONLY the Qur’an has the full story and the proof for this miracle and sign as it happened not as fabricated in the Bible.
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This was prophesied before Jesus was ever put into the womb, and you say it is false.
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Ibrahim says Do you understand what you read??? Because I asked you to explain how she proofed she was a virgin, such that the Jews accepted her as a virgin with a miraculous child, and you claim I said it is false. Come-on lady, don’t twist my words and tell me things which I have not said.
My point being for a prophesy to have materialize, it must be witnessed by many people, whereas the bible fabrication only says Joseph had a dream, which is false because many witnessed this miracle such that even the magi came to pay tribute to the talking child and virgin mother.
Unless you think, they also had blind faith in a women with a child in hand. So don’t be silly.
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Well how do you explain the prophecies.
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Ibrahim says : what is the problem here? Don’t you understand in Islam, Adam ( the only name that has not been altered in most scriptures ) was the first Prophet and after him came many including Nuh/Noah and after him many including Ibrahim/Abraham and after him many including Musa/Moses and after him many including Eesa (falsely called Jesus) and finally the Prophet Muhammad ( Peace be upon ALL of them) who was prophesied as the final man to complete the Creators religion ( way of life) for mankind as mentioned in the Bible as well as scriptures prior to the Bible.
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And as far as the Jewish people are concerned, God put blinders on thier eyes so that the gentiles ccould be saved otherwise we would all go to hell if he were to have opened the Jews eyes at that time, he loved us so much that he blinded them in order to save us, THIS INCLUDES YOU TO.
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Ibrahim says LOL! Don’t be silly, God is not a racist to put blinders on any of his creation, it is you who chose to put blinders on yourself . And you proofed that you have blinders on you when you tried to deny the name Jesus is not false even though I proof it is false irrefutably .
Now the Creator revealed a message but since some people wanted to redesign it according to their whims and fancies you ended up on the wrong path, ** even though some people are telling you , you are on the wrong path, do you listen ?? NO! you insist you know better, even though you are misguided, as such don’t blame God for your fate , blame yourself since you chose to accept errors, when you know that it is an error.**
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Ibriham says; there is no Jesus, but yet Jesus is mentioned I believe (do not hold me to this number, I will get the statistics for you) 93 times in the Quran.
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Ibrahim says: hello, In English, translators of the Qur’an use the words Jesus, Abraham, Jacob, etc to guide those who have become accustomed to such names. Because they want other to understand , that is why it is a translation.
** BUT the Qur’an does not have any person by the above names mentioned in them. God only reveals the truth as such falsehood has no place in Holy matters.**
Thus, what you are talking about is the English translations, which are only translations and NOT the revealed message in the original tongue, which is in Arabic , a sister language of Aramaic and Hebrew ( the language of the middle east people and the language in which all revelations had been revealed to mankind)
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As for quoting John 3:16, I did notice that I left out parts of it as I was typing, my bad sorry.
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Ibrahim says : what use is it?? When you accept simple mistakes but hide from Grave errors?? when you have not realized that Christians have mistranslated the Bible thus misguiding many and sent them to hell, by teaching them in believing that Christ was a begotten son of God.
** Don’t you see, all those Christians who died from 1611 ( the time King James translations came into the world till today), who still belief God had a son, called Jesus and he is the savior, had been committing blasphemy and their only retribution for such blasphemy is hell according to the bible**
Kindly read.
Matthew 12:31. And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
- Anyone who speaks a word ** against the Son of Man will be forgiven,** but anyone who speaks ** against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.**
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In regards to the wife beating,
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Ibrahim says: hello sweet heart! Do you mind talking about this in the other thread you started and BTW, I did not discuss anything about beating women, your intention to divert the topic was CLEAR even though the Bible has much more horrible things mentioned it, which I did not quote simply because than I will be diverting the topic.
Now it seems, enchanted ended up being led by you and both of you have managed to divert this topic into what scriptures says about women
The moderator came in and advised us that we should talk about “Is Christianity the only way?” Way to what? way to salvation, not about women in the Bible or Qur’an.
BTW you started the thread “Basics in Islam”, don’t you think you should have placed your questions concerning Qur’an in that thread?
Now don’t you think we should respect the moderator and the subject of this thread?
So now coming back to the topic.
I repeat every Name of person or country that is being mentioned in the current Bible which starts with the letter “j” is a fabrication.
** Since the current Bible is a fabrication, it is not “the” TRUE word of God, but the fabrication of Christians. Thus it is not the way to salvation but the way to hell.**
** TRUE word of God will have No fabrication, alteration. Revision, Corruption , Omission or errors
Do you agree or not???**
Now it is useless to discuss , when we cant agree to agree or agree to disagree, don’t you think so?
When we disagree we must also put forward some valid reasons for disagreeing not claim it is because of Blind faith in my belief.
Hope that helps
Regards
Ibrahim
** where one goes hereafter depends largely on what one goes after here. **
Tomasso, thank you for the reply you said it perfectly, which I could not say in those ellaborate words, the language is different all over the world and pronunciations are different as well, just like the latins when they pronounce Jesus, the J is silent, so speaking of J not being in the hebrew or greek languages is probably true, but the meanings are the same.
Ibrihim, I do not wish to share with you because you come across as a very rude person. You have not proven a thing to me except your ignorance and utter rudeness. IBRIHIM IS ON IGNORE, until he can learn to speak to others in kindness when they do not agree with him.
About blinders, God rewards us when we recognize, confess and repent (regret/mourn) our ignorance. The first and third beatitudes confirm that promise (Matthew 5:3,5). The problem most people have is recognizing their ignorance before it leads to disastrous consequences. Once we know we have done something dumb, and suffer from the mistake we can repent (mourn) our ignorance.
If we could realize our intellectual deficiencies in advance of our calamity, we would rush to get whatever information we lack. But, we are blind to our own faults. Why is that? Why can't we see ourselves more clearly and minister to our own needs?
It seems as if there are two reasons. First, we are born ignorant. Lacking information, we must accumulate facts from experience. Experience includes both what we are taught by others and also what we learn on our own - by ourselves.
Learning is a fun facet of human nature. We all enjoy doing it. We just don't enjoy learning which requires hard disciplined study. We prefer education from easy and entertaining visual aids.
Why, then, when learning is fun, do we often find ourselves refusing to learn? There are times when our minds are closed to new ideas, especially spiritual ideas. Why did you wait so long to look seriously into the nature of God?
The second reason for our spiritual blinding is that Satan does not want us to understand the greater things of God. If we are blind to God's truth, or refuse to look past what we already know, we get no more blessings.
Paul explained this in his second letter to the Corinthians, chapter 4, verse 4 (RSV). "In their case the god of this world has blinded the eyes of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the likeness of God."
We must resolve to keep our minds open to new revelations from God. Our minds must be set on, "I don't want to miss anything God has for me. I shall look for his hand and mind in all things, at all times."
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Also, if there were no J back then where did the word JEWISH come from??????????**
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Ibrahim says Good question ask the Jews and BTW no body pronounce it as Ew or ewish but Jewish.
Now their true name was yahudi for the people living in Yehud just like Christ follwers were called Nasranee because they followed the man from Nazareth
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3055 ... 03055. dhy Y@hud ** yeh-hood';** a briefer form of one corresponding to 03061; Jehud, a place in Palestine:-Jehud. ...
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Originally posted by TOMASSO:
The thing with the letter J is in the interaction of the Anglo-Saxon people in Britain from where the English language was formed. The Germans pronounce J as Y. This is no proof of the invalidity of the Scriptures at all, ** just the flaws in adopting languages.
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Ibrahim says : Dear Tomasso, will you agree if I called you Jomasso or should I not pronounce the T and you should be called Omasso because in your country T is not pronounced but just placed there for show ?
Now if you won't accept it, why would God or the Christ accept it? Does it not demean others , when their names are altered?
Will you tell me , even after having manuscripts that say his name was starting with the letter I, bible scholars who are foolish enough to call a person with a letter J is OK?
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Allah is acknowledged as the proper term for father, as spoken by the Christos.
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Ibrahim says: What! In what language does this come from? which chistos said such a thing?
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There is a need for a serious, unflawed Bible.
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Ibrahim says: which is impossible because there is no intact manuscript that is flawless and can be accepted by the 30,000 (?) denominations of Christians
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There should be no contradictions or errors for nearer perfect understanding.
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Ibrahim says: which means the Holy spirit and God had abandon the Jews and Christians since they had willfully chosen to err and which means even when the CLEAR scriptures is present they will reject it blindly.
This method of revision had now resulted in more than a 100 version of bible on this planet, I mean VERSION not translation, look up dictionary , if you do not know the difference.
Now they are planning to have one version for gays, such that they too can feel happy when in truth they had been condemned for their behavior in the Bible.
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BTW, the Qu'ran was passed down orally,
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Ibrahim NO! BOTH orally as well as kept in writing till the entire revelation was over . But only compiled into book form after the demise of the Prophet and many copies made at the same time to be sent to various locations on this planet.
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as was the OT, as was the NT.
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Ibrahim says: sorry have to disagree because, the OT and NT has no originals to back it up and the current versions have contradictions , omission, alterations, additions etc, which God had no part in their fabrications but are the works of man.
The original version as revealed by the Prophets had been lost, some destroyed whilst the Prophets were still alive and others by its followers who altered them.
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If the divine were not involved in this to any degree, posterity might have ended up with more myth than truth.
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Ibrahim says My friend, the original message was from God but man altered it, that is why there is a replacement in a different tongue such that those it was entrusted to earlier cannot alter it anymore.
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The linking of the announcement of the Virgin birth by Gabriel in both NT and Qu'ranic verses does not prove the veracity of the identity of Gabriel.
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Ibrahim says: Now you don't make sense here . what veracity and identity must man have when the message is relayed through Angel Gabriel who is also called the Holy spirit.
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The identity of Gabriel in the Qu'ran has yet to be proven to me by any Qu'ranic verse. This does not indict Mohammad in any way!
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Ibrahim says: lol, you mean the angel must produce his identity card for you?
Regards
Ibrahim
** people change and they forget to tell each other, so now we have people conjecturing as they wish **
Ibrahim, why did "Abraham" change his name as written in the Bible? This was explained as an instruction from God to distance himself from the idolators. He changes his name and also physically leave his family. The Bible should say that he changed his name to Ibrahim, as the 'im]/i] part is more like it, following the Hebrew language. The only language that uses *ham as a suffix is English,as in Birming*ham*. Understand that I don't ever really consider your statements completely wrong. The maternity of Mary was an issue, but not for long. "Iosepf" knew he had a problem on his hands and the census of Herod provided an out. The family left for the census and went to Bethlehem and not being able to find room at the inn, had to make do in a cave or stable, thus going under the radar of the people. The fable of the animals talking instead of the baby is interesting in Christian lore. The name of Moses sounds Egyptian, as he was born there, but Musa sounds more "Arabic". The pre-King James Bible also claimed divinity of Jesus, as he is known in the West. The King James Bible has the distinction of being printed in English and available to the masses, the Latin and Catholic trend was against this. Only those schooled in Latin, monks mostly, could read and interpret the verses for the people.
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Originally posted by but the meanings are the same.
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Ibrahim says hello, what meanings are the same? tell us the meaning of Jesus and the meaning of Eesa? If you know.
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Ibrihim, I do not wish to share with you because you come across as a very rude person.
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Ibrahim says: care to show me, where i am rude???
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You have not proven a thing to me except your ignorance and utter rudeness.
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Ibrahim says: which means all those points were dismissed by you because of your boundary markers and you have nothing to say or put forwards as your answer and your only option is to run.
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IBRIHIM IS ON IGNORE, until he can learn to speak to others in kindness when they do not agree with him.
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Ibrahim says which means you have decide to hide and avoid and will come back when you can throw something that you think can defend your fauth
Good luck, but where you are heading you may need more than that.
Regards
Ibrahim
Nope not running, just ignoring. You know, turn the other cheek. Slap again if you wish.
As regards the tendency to mispronounce names, as the US right gravitates towards and Masons as well, the current US administration aims to give a modicum of respect by getting the names fairly correct. The political right would often use mispronunciation to denigrate those held in contempt by them. This is nothing new. The English put their spin on the linguistic contributions from the Normans, Anglo-Saxons, Danes etc. My request for the ID card of the Angel Gabriel stands, because his message to Mohammad is in contradiction to Scripture. Could Gabriel have been a imposter at this juncture? Does the Qu'ran have some verse addressing this question, as it seems to have much insight? I would guess it might and I am trying to get a quote dealing with this. If you were to mispronounce my name due to cultural or speech differences, I would accept it as a gift of variety, personally. The name Thomas is not pronounced with an audible h. BTW, what would the name Thomas be in Aramaic? I do accept that you have much knowledge and appreciate the attempt to communicate with me, thankyou.
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Ibrahim, why did "Abraham" change his name as written in the Bible?
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Ibrahim says: Greetings of Peace to one and all
Dear Tomasso,
People can change their names to mean better things, just like converts to other religions may adopted another name which has a better meaning , some names have meanings and others will not.
Now in the case of Prophet Ibrahim (pbuh) his first given name according to the current version of the Bible was
11: 26. After Terah had lived 70 years, he became the father of ** Abram,** Nahor and Haran.
Abram means " exalted father", ( which cannot be accepted by God, since that is an attribute of God)
So …….
17: 5. No longer will you be called Abram ; your name will be Abraham, for I have made you a father of many nations.
Abraham means “father of a multitude” according to the judeo Christians..
So this change is a command from God and not his own doing .
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This was explained as an instruction from God to distance himself from the idolators.
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Ibrahim says No because his name had an erroneous meaning, which equated him with God, such his name was renamed to mean that he was a father of multitude instead of exalted father which is a reference to God.
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The Bible should say that he changed his name to Ibrahim, as the 'im]/i] part is more like it, following the Hebrew language. The only language that uses *ham as a suffix is English,as in Birming*ham*. Understand that I don't ever really consider your statements completely wrong.
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Ibrahim says: exactly, man have been doing what they like and have made it seem true when the truth is otherwise.
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The maternity of Mary was an issue, but not for long.
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Ibrahim says: whether it was an issue for a day or not is not the issue here when God gave a prophesy, ** it was meant to materialize as given and witnessed by many ** , here the case is she (the mother) and son were a “sign” of God’s existence. He was the messiah and waited guide for the Jews, as well as a SIGN of God’s existence for mankind, as such ** it is fundamental for that prophesy to be witnessed by all that were present. ** This witnessing took place as people ( magi) from other places traveled to visit the talking child. In fact later Jews slandered the mother because this witnessing was forgotten in time.
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"Iosepf" knew he had a problem on his hands and the census of Herod provided an out. The family left for the census and went to Bethlehem and not being able to find room at the inn, had to make do in a cave or stable, thus going under the radar of the people. The fable of the animals talking instead of the baby is interesting in Christian lore.
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Ibrahim says: No my friend , what you are saying is lore , which void that prophesy altogether but what I am saying is scripture which proves that the prophesy was witnessed as given
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The name of Moses sounds Egyptian, as he was born there, but Musa sounds more "Arabic".
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Ibrahim says which means you have not looked at the Hebrew scripture
Kindly read
2: 10. When the child grew older, she took him to Pharaoh's daughter and he became her son. She named him Moses, saying, "I drew him out of the water."
Exodus 2:10 wayigdal hayeled watbi'eehuu lbat-par`oh wayhiy-laah lbeen watiqraa' shmow ** mosheh ** wato'mer kiy min-hamayim mshiytihuu
Strong's Number: 4872
Transliterated: Mosheh
Phonetic: mo-sheh'
Text: from 4871; drawing out (of the water), i.e. rescued; Mosheh, the Israelite lawgiver: --Moses.
E is pronounced as A in Hebrew, so it is Musa not Moses
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The pre-King James Bible also claimed divinity of Jesus,
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Ibrahim says: yes ! Christ was made part of the trinity at about 325 AD and Christian have erred from then, but most people did not have chance to verify this until bibles were more commonly available at about 1611
Thus my point is, that man had a chance to correct himself but till today the church is still singing Jesus this and Jesus that, which is not the TRUTH but a lie.
Look at Jerusalem for instance , try and find out what was its real name as Hebrews knew it?
Hope that helps
BTW you did not answer me, what do you want from the Angel Gabriel/ Holy spirit?
Regards
Ibrahim
** nothing is a waste of time, if you use the experience wisely **
A suitable quote from the Qu'ran regarding the authenticity of the Angel Gabriel is what I am after. Moses name in Hebrew should be Mosha, not Musa. Musa sounds Arabic! If Abram was the "exalted" father of the Jews chosen by god as such, where is the problem? I think it was to make a distinction from his former life. In Islam, is there any prophet between Adam and Ibrahim? Allah is Allah, the name alone is enough praise. Abram was a hallmark in the scheme of things, it seems. If God tells you to change your name, who would argue, though. Ok, I get the part about multitude vs. exalted, but the break from his past religion is also important.
The Jews might have attempted to stone Mariam to death if they thought only so far, ignoring any prophesies. Virgin Birth is tough to prove and the Jews require proof in most cases.
Was Jerusalem know as Yerusalem? Salem means peace, no? Ironic, that one, in today's world!
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Ibrahim says :
Greetings of Peace to one and all
Dear Tomasso,
Which scriptures is it in contradiction of? Because when man erred God raised another Prophet to correct them and this is recorded over and over again in the current Bible, so what happens when man try to kill the SIGN, that preformed numerous miracles in front of them, do you expect God to still send a prophet to them or would you expect God to give the message to another tribe which will be willing to follow it? Since even the Sign (Christ) was not accepted by them.
Ibrahim says: why would Gabriel be an imposter when all that is conveyed had materialism as foretold and all that is written is CLEAR as compared to the confusion and errors in the Bible?
Ibrahim says; Why would there be a need for it to appear in the Qur’an, Don’t you think it will appear in the bible, as that chapter came earlier and the Qur’an is the final chapter?
Meaning just like Christ [pbuh] was foretold , Prophet Muhammad [pbuh] had also been foretold in that very Bible of which ( many verses) I already posted on this very thread.
If you think, that ( those recorded in the Bible) was an error this was foretold even in the Veda ( the current edition of the scrolls of Prophet Ibrahim (pbuh)) , so how will you escape when God kept saying I will tell you what is to come from the beginning and made sure it was already written before it came to pass?
Ibrahim says: Apparently you are not understanding scripture, it is like this, what will come will be foretold earlier not after it happens that will defeat the purpose of prophesy. Hence the Qur’an will reveal what will happen before the end of this planet and not about who will reveal the Qur’an to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) . Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)will be revealed prior to all this and I had already given numerous verses for his coming, in the Bible.
Now what you are looking for ( the Qur’an to be revealed) is found in revelations, kindly take a good read of it and if you cannot find it, by the Grace of Allah , I will show you where in revelations is the Qur’an being foretold.
Now Tomasso, if you do not answer my questions, that is not very polite is it? So I asked you where is Allah translated as father, can you let me know how you came to understand this?
Ibrahim says: try www.peshitta.org go to verse where Thomas is being mentioned in the English Bible and than check the original Aramaic texts as to what it says, you should get your answer.
Hope that helps
Regards
Ibrahim
** Doctors have no knowledge of the channel that runs from the ear to the soul, and the one that runs from the soul to the tongue **
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A suitable quote from the Qu'ran regarding the authenticity of the Angel Gabriel is what I am after.
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Ibrahim says: what do you mean by authenticity of an angel? Because I am sure you know angels cannot be seen by man unless they are given directives to appear in the form of man or any other living being.
Al revelations were sent via angels, inspirations or direct words from Allah. The way to verify accuracy of revelations is to check what had been revealed earlier and in the case of Qur’an , one can check the Injeel (Gospel) Zabur (psalms) , Torah and scrolls of Ibrahim for its veracity. Not by trying to find out the authenticity of the angel (Holy Spirit) tasked to reveal the revelations.
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Moses name in Hebrew should be Mosha, not Musa. Musa sounds Arabic!
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Ibrahim says I suggest you go visit a Rabbi who speaks Hebrew, not Yiddish and let him pronounced the word so that you can be sure of the resemblance and why Moses would be alien in that language.
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In Islam, is there any prophet between Adam and Ibrahim?
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Ibrahim says: every prophet found in the Bible is a prophet of Islam . In the Quran some 25 are named and this coincides with the 24 elders ( including Christ) in heaven as mentioned in the Bible prior to the revelation of the Qur’an .
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The Jews might have attempted to stone Mariam to death if they thought only so far, ignoring any prophesies.
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Ibrahim says My friend such actions needed 3 eye witnesses according to the Bible , now since that was not possible as the child had already matured, the Jews merely slandered the mother. But my point being the magi did not see no star in the sky and followed the star to witness the birth of the miraculous child. That would be silly but that is what is being mentioned in the Bible. The child was witnessed as prophesied because it talked and the news of the virgin with the talking babay traveled far and wide, failing which the mother will be stoned to death, that is Jewish law, whether or not you may like it.
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Virgin Birth is tough to prove and the Jews require proof in most cases.
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Ibrahim says: Not when the child is talking at birth and preaching about God. The fact is the virgin birth was the SIGN, that Jews had to look out for as prophesied by Isaiah (7:14)
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Was Jerusalem know as Yerusalem? Salem means peace, no? Ironic, that one, in today's world!
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Ibrahim says : Yes , ** Yruushaalaim** is the correct name for what has now been accepted by the whole words as Jerusalem
Strong 03389
Mlvwry Y@ruwshalaim ** yer-oo-shaw-lah’-im ** rarely Mylvwry Y@ruwshalayim yer-oo-shaw-lah’-yim
Greek 2414
Ierosoluma /Hierosoluma ** hee-er-os-ol’-oo-mah**
Ibrahim says; So you see “J” was not changed to “Y” but “ H” or "I" in Greek and Y in Hebrew was changed to J in German and later in English
All these let to confusion and the demeaning of the names of God and the names of honored people, which means God will reject those teachings, just like any descent person would.
** Yer-oo-shaw-lah’-im means " teaching of peace" (was the chief city of Palestine ruled by king Adoni-Zedek before any Jew ever reached that country ) **
Kindly read Joshua 10
- Now ** Adoni-Zedek king of Jerusalem** heard that ** Joshua had taken Ai and totally destroyed it, doing to Ai and its king as he had done to Jericho and its king, ** and that ** the people of Gibeon had made a treaty of peace with Israel and were living near them. **
Thus Jerusalem existed before the Jews conquered it and the Palestine people existed before the Jews and have more rights to it, than the Jews who lost it because of Gods anger, when they tried to kill Christ.
Hope that helps
Regards
Ibrahim
** we fail primarily because we try to do things at which we are no good **
[This message has been edited by Ibrahim (edited June 11, 2002).]
A quick thought here; Yrusaalim, the city can be seen as a teacher of peace, because of the stakes! All my questions are not always answered to my satisfaction either. It is somewhat annoying, but each person is different and it's value of politeness is weighed of many factors by me.
Some Jews believe that only God can grant the state of Israel, not the UN. This is not highly publicized. The injustice done to the Palestinians, even after a victorious war('67) is wrong. Many retaliations for this are wrong. However, the Jews do have a right to fight for their promised land. I am a Christian who doesn't think the Jews lost the Holyland due to the Crucifixtion. No verse claims this. The Romans defeated them, unfortunately. I side with the Jews in this battle to the hilt. They were still in more compliance than the Romans idolators. The Palestinians came from southern Turkey, BTW. They were also engaged in a fight for a homeland for much of the time! The people of Turkey pushed them out. The Egyptians rebuffed them, thus Gaza. The Palestinians may be comprised of the more original inhabitants, as this would be logical to think there were folks in the area prior to the immigres.