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Most people in the Muslim world hate (not just dislike ... hate) the US due to its atrocities towards Islamic world. But they are not in a position to stop its terrorism due to their weak and dependent economies. The only true response to Amerikans and Zionists by Islamic countries would be to stop dependence of their economies on Europe and America and work together.
If this doesn't happen then we can curse Americans all we like but it is not going to change anything.
However, this scenario of Muslim countries working independently is highly unlikely. Muslim countries have failed to provide a world independent of Americans and Zionists due to their inability to see beyond petty sectarian conflicts.
Just as mad scientist said, Saudis and other GCC countries would rather be working with Zionist occupiers and their American allies, rather than help a Muslim country which is being demonized/sanctioned/penalized only because of its opposition to the Zionist regime in the Muslim world.
It would have been a lot more difficult for Zionist Americans to control the Middle East if the so-called Muslim countries would have helped Muslims instead of Zionists. Qatar hosts American fifth fleet. Saudis seem open for Israel to use its airspace to attack Iran. Collective prison of Gaza was not possible without Egypt making it happen on its border to help Zionists.
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Mad scientist, Why would Mecca and Medina be in danger that Saudis ask for Pakistan's help? In your scenario, Saudis will be working with Zionists against another Islamic country. It is not the other way around. That is, Saudis are not going to fight against Zionists. And if this is the case then why would there be a worry about Mecca and Medina?
In 1990, Pakistan sent troops to Saudi Arabia to guard Medina and Mecca when the first Gulf War was about to break out, though those two cities were obviously not in danger from Iraq. However, the Saudis asked for it as a means of freeing their forces from the area and as a means of having Pakistan show solidarity with them.
Saudi Arabia has a great deal of influence over Pakistan that cannot be discounted.
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Well its obvious you have an ignorant attitude towards Iranians and Arabs in general. Your lack of knowledge in the scientific status in Iran is appalling.
Iran was the first in the World to outdo the Americans in Neuroscience. The US Army surgeon Dr Ralph Munslow admitted that Iranian surgeons had come up with a better way to treat patients who suffered from brain injuries as a result of the Iran and Iraq war. Its not that well known but Iranian medical procedures were so excellent that they helped increase peoples chances of surviving appalling head injuries from times when the average injury killed 55% of people those injureis can now be effectively treated. In fact US congresswoman Gabriel Gliffords owes her life to the Iranian surgical methods which saved her from dying when she was shot in the head. Good to know that if you are unfortunate enough to be a victim of a severe head injury your life can be saved thanks to this surgical method bought to us by Iranian scientists and researchers.
In terms of Biotechnology Iran is one of the most advanced in the world not only mass producing successfully GM crops like rice but also succeding in fields such as cloning and its stem cell research program is among the top 10 in the World.
You might be surprised to know that Iran is far ahead of India and Pakistan in terms of bio-implants. Iranians have succesfully come up with “life-patch” programs where they can successfully create bio-mass implants of Bone, Heart valves and tendons. Currently thier research into occular implants is one of the leading in the World I believe Taiwan and Singapore as well as Iran rank far higher than many European countries and light years ahead of India and Pakistan.
If your still in doubt about Iranian scientific achievments let me remind you of an Arab program called SESAME, in which Iranian scientists along with jordanian counterparts created the first LINAC (Linear particle accelerator) in the Middle east. At the time it was no less an acheivement than the Hadron Collider which was far more publicized but nowhere near as successfull.
Iran is officially ranked among the highest in nano-technology in the World and holds a standing higher than any other Muslim country with only S. Korea being more advanced in Asia and the rest of the world leaders being European.
Iran is 9th in the World since the Soviet union in space technology having sucessfully launched sattellites into orbit.
Irans most recent success was the production of the worlds smallest microphone… so small it cannot be seen by the naked eye.
Anyone still in doubt please refer to the following sources.
Now just becuase your ignorant of something does not change the fact that it exists. I assume your Indian, look up the rankings of sceintific achievements and you will see India is ranked well behind Iran both on paper and in reality becuase India gets a lot of outside help as does Pakistan. Iran on the other hand has worked mostly on its own so Kudos to them for thier excellent progress.
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However, the Saudis asked for it as a means of freeing their forces from the area and as a means of having Pakistan show solidarity with them.
Saudi Arabia has a great deal of influence over Pakistan that cannot be discounted.
Yes, I know about the Saudi influence over Pakistan and its impact on our country.
One difference between first Gulf war and this scenario of war with Iran, is that Saddam was threatening to attack Saudis. Iranians on the other hand have not done it. If they really want to punish some GCC country for siding with Zionists then it would be Qatar first which is home to America's naval fleet in the region.
The best thing for Pakistan would be stay neutral in this war. There is no need to side with anyone. Neither Saudis/Israelis/Americans nor Iranians.
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i generally find you to be a fairly decent/rational poster but this is really a surprise. i don’t mean to be rude but the above post is an embarrassingly weak and flawed defense of iranian scientific achievement. you have clearly just copy/pasted every one of your comments from an extremely bizarre wikipedia page filled with random, out-of-context, cherry-picked, and poorly-sourced “achievements” put together sloppily by some iranian fanboys.
i guess you are generally unfamiliar with the fields of science and technology, which must be why you are making such silly comments (including the references to india). anybody with basic familiarity will tell you that there are a few standard metrics used to judge a nation’s scientific/technological strength. the most important of these metrics are:
scientific research output
patent volume
R&D spending
each of the above metrics has an authoritative source for data and rankings (see below links). please take a look at them. not surprisingly, iran is a nobody in all categories. since you wanted to bring india into the discussion, you will find that india has a respectable position in each category. lastly, i don’t know why you further felt the need to bracket india and pakistan together when india is a sizeable science/technology producer and pakistan is not on the scientific map at all.
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@faris - i think you misunderstood what I am saying about Iran. Iranians are very capable people Unfortunately their country has been usurped by the ayatollas and crazies such as ahmedinejad who are running it to ground.
BTW - the so scalled 'scientific achievements of Iran' are very overstated. Things like GM crops are dime a dozen and in many places actually viewed regressive.
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^ Yeah but for a country with Sanctions thats impressive and nothing changes the fact Iran is not dying of hunger or strugling with internal issues that plauge most of the third World.
Also considering the Iranians isolation its nothing short of a miracle that they have outlived the Iraqi regime of Saddam which enjoyed a lot more Western backing.
Allah helps those hwo help themselves...
@ Nikhill25 obviously both of us can agree to disagree but Iran still has a lot more potency on the International stage than India or Pakistan. Both countries rely massively on foriegn aid. Iran gets no aid and still manages to hold its own, for a country on sanctions thats more than impressive. Furthermore lets try put India or Pakistan in the Iranian boat for a minute and you will realise that actually if we were on sanctions for that long we would be eating each other... literally.
Now as for Indian technology, dont get me started on how Pakistan has so much more than India, plus India's homegrown industry is tiny most of the hardware for both India and Pakistan is external. In the military field especially neither country can be proud of its standing... our troops might have the most courage but they are among the worst led and most poorly equiped.
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Unfortunately their country has been usurped by the ayatollas and crazies such as ahmedinejad who are running it to ground.
Look, I also think that Iran should not be a theocracy (no country should) but I think it is wrong to say that ayatollahs and people you call "crazies" are responsible for its current affairs. They in fact have run the country quite well.
The responsibility of this situation lies on Zionists in America and Israel. They are the ones who make up false stories about the country all the time and they are the ones who are pursuing worst forms of sanctions against the country with the help of their sycophants.
You would be wrong to assume that they are after Iran due to its nuclear program. Actually they would have come up with some other excuse to punish Iran if it were not the nuclear program. Think WMDs in Iraq.
So why is US bent upon destroying Iran? Due to Israel.
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I think Iran has every right to try to block hormuz, the arabs have always hated the persians and have always tried to destroy them through proxy wars like the Iraq war.
Unlike the modern day arabs, the Iranians have achieved much more in the face of adversity.
The day the arab oil ends, the arabs will be in a state which would be comparable to africa, worse than pakistan. Lets see how they will behave then.
That is the truth.
But being a muslims it hurts me to see when we fight among urselves, and the non believers make use of this idiocracy of ours.
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Just as mad scientist said, Saudis and other GCC countries would rather be working with Zionist occupiers and their American allies, rather than help a Muslim country which is being demonized/sanctioned/penalized only because of its opposition to the Zionist regime in the Muslim world.
Arabs hate the only country in the world which have the balls to stand up and speak for the opressed arabs in Palestine.
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@ Nikhill25 obviously both of us can agree to disagree but Iran still has a lot more potency on the International stage than India or Pakistan.
this is such a silly contention that i don't know how to respond.
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Both countries rely massively on foriegn aid. Iran gets no aid and still manages to hold its own, for a country on sanctions thats more than impressive. Furthermore lets try put India or Pakistan in the Iranian boat for a minute and you will realise that actually if we were on sanctions for that long we would be eating each other... literally.
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firstly, iran is a massive geological welfare state. it receives hundreds of billions of dollars in aid from mother earth annually. secondly, india is a net distributor of foreign aid while pakistan is a massive net recipient. i'm all for indo-pak brotherhood but that doesn't mean bracket the two in every single context.
most importantly, you have not defined "hold its own". in detail i have uncontroversially demonstrated to you how your misguided perception of iran's scientific prowess is absolute nonsense. the only real driver of this perception of "holding its own" is volume of news coverage in the international press (99% negative) and an attitude of defiance.
i will concede that iran is miles ahead of its arab neighbors due to the ingrained focus on education in iranian culture. but this is not a meaningful benchmark.
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Now as for Indian technology, dont get me started on how Pakistan has so much more than India, plus India's homegrown industry is tiny most of the hardware for both India and Pakistan is external. In the military field especially neither country can be proud of its standing... our troops might have the most courage but they are among the worst led and most poorly equiped.
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okay i won't get you started. it will be painful to watch you try to make the argument that pakistan is superior to india in the fields of science and technology. i'm not that cruel. let us agree to disagree.
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[note] Guys please stick to the topic. If you want to discuss scientific achievements of the diff countries please to so in appropriate forum. Thanks. [/note]
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Nikhil, who is "international press" to you? American corporate controlled media and it's cronies?.......non aligned movement, which consists of more than 120 countries, unanimously supports Iran's right to nuclear technology and denounce American led stance and threats against Iran........Iran's relations with Latin American countries have particularly excelled recently and r better than any Asian nation......
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Abay bhai why you arguing with him, no matter what source you come back with you not going to get anywhere.. Even with his own source you can nail him e.g. number of research papers by a population 1.2+ Billion versus 60 million… There are tons of attributes that one can compare… Its a no-brainer…
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Nikhil, who is "international press" to you? American corporate controlled media and it's cronies?.......non aligned movement, which consists of more than 120 countries, unanimously supports Iran's right to nuclear technology and denounce American led stance and threats against Iran........Iran's relations with Latin American countries have particularly excelled recently and r better than any Asian nation......
i gather two points from your post: 1) the "international press" is biased against iran and that is the cause of negative coverage. 2) iran has a right to nuclear technology.
regarding your first point, it's a bit silly to be dismissing the integrity of the wide-ranging international media in such a frivolous way, presumably in favor of highly trustworthy iranian state-run media. the reality is that the newsworthy stuff coming out of iran is pretty negative (for the govt) regardless of who reports it, including: IAEA revealing deceptive practices and indications of a weapons program, massive anti-govt protests, various cases of shocking stone-age executions/human rights violations, ultra-provocative comments by a leader seen as a crackpot throughout the world, etc.
surely you wouldn't argue that these are not newsworthy things or that the international media is concocting lies. at best you can argue that good news has been suppressed due to bias. if so, do you have examples? some iranian allegedly inventing a new kind of hearing aid is not really what i'm talking about here.
as for your second point, i did not make any claims about iran's right to pursue nuclear technology. the negative coverage stems from the fact that iran claims to be uninterested in developing nuclear weapons capability but nobody (including the most authoritative body in the world) actually believes this. it is an energy-rich NPT signatory with a documented history of deliberately hiding an enrichment program for decades and is considered devious by the IAEA.
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but nobody (including the most authoritative body in the world) actually believes this.
Who is "nobody"? It's nothing but America (read "Israel"). Everyone else is just towing their line (India etc.) so as to continue to gain economic rewards from them.
Are we talking about "beliefs" or facts? The fact is that there is no evidence of Iran developing nukes. Not even IAEA says it. The only thing IAEA did in their last report was to say Iran MAY make nukes. Another "belief". And IAEA put this kind of vague language this time on the US pressure.
It's just political game. Iran's nuclear program is still the same. The only thing changed is IAEA language.
Iran's nuclear facilities have been open for IAEA all the time. There have been multiple inspections and investigations but even with their utmost efforts on behalf of US, nobody has been able to present any sign of Iran making nukes, except using the language such as "may", "might", "potentially", "possibly".
Secondly, it is argued that Iran should make nukes, especially since it is surrounded by adversaries who already possess nukes and have threatened to use them as well. I think it was Ariel Sharon who said that if he were Iranian then he would have made nukes as well.
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it's a bit silly to be dismissing the integrity of the wide-ranging international media in such a frivolous way,
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Do you know how silly you like saying this when you already know how international media was towing the line in case of Iraq's WMDs?
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Arabs hate the only country in the world which have the balls to stand up and speak for the opressed arabs in Palestine.
Ironic?
That's true. And this is why I think Iran should stop considering itself the "Islam ka qila" (cf: Pakistan). It already has the biggest enemy in the form of Zionizt state of America only due to Israel. This animosity has brought nothing but trouble for Iranian people. And even after putting so much at stake, what it gets is scorns, and hatred from its immediate neighbors. These supposedly Muslim neighbors are now working with Izrael to destroy Iran.
America just gave Saudis several F-15s to fight against Iran. They must have gotten clearance from Izrael first, and Izrael allowed it because they know that Saudis are Iran's enemies instead of theirs.
All of these hardships might have been worthwhile if Iran were able to move politics in Israel/Palestine to its liking. But it can not do it either. Iran's rhetoric has NO effect on Palestine's future, its politics, and its people.
So what good does Iran get from its support to Palestinian cause? Nothing.
It is high time Iranian people recognize the futility of their unwanted support to Palestinian cause. Iran needs to stop opposing Israel and let the onus of protection of Quds fall on Saudis and Egyptians. Iran can not help Quds itself in anyway. It's what they call: "gunaah e bay lazzat".
Then Iran can develop nukes all it wants and no one will have problem.
Is any Iranian listening? Iran's help is NOT wanted by anyone.
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Who is "nobody"? It's nothing but America (read "Israel"). Everyone else is just towing their line (India etc.) so as to continue to gain economic rewards from them.
do you think india or any other major country (including china and russia) believes iran has no intention whatsoever of developing nuclear weapons capability? of course they don't believe that. the difference is that they are generally not too bothered about iran getting the bomb - certainly not the way israel, the west, and the sunni arab states are.
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Are we talking about "beliefs" or facts? The fact is that there is no evidence of Iran developing nukes. Not even IAEA says it. The only thing IAEA did in their last report was to say Iran MAY make nukes. Another "belief". And IAEA put this kind of vague language this time on the US pressure.
It's just political game. Iran's nuclear program is still the same. The only thing changed is IAEA language.
Iran's nuclear facilities have been open for IAEA all the time. There have been multiple inspections and investigations but even with their utmost efforts on behalf of US, nobody has been able to present any sign of Iran making nukes, except using the language such as "may", "might", "potentially", "possibly".
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now you feel the IAEA is essentially telling lies (via vague language) about iran under US pressure. in any case, i didn't say there is smoking gun evidence of a current weapons program and that is irrelevant to my point about iran's profile in the international media.
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Secondly, it is argued that Iran should make nukes, especially since it is surrounded by adversaries who already possess nukes and have threatened to use them as well. I think it was Ariel Sharon who said that if he were Iranian then he would have made nukes as well.
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that is an entirely different argument. personally i think this is a stronger argument. but it would've been much easier to make if iran's leader was not a loon that revels in the hostilities with israel.
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“Intention”. What about evidence?
You are still talking about beliefs and intentions. Talking of intentions, even Saudis want a nuke. While Israelis already possess 100s of them.
Excuse me. It is not ME. This is what many analysts are saying.
"IAEA Credibility and Its Latest Report on Iran’s Nuclear Program"
So anyone showing hostility towards Israel (for its obvious occupation and terrorism) is a “loon”?!
Why is Israel so important to you that anyone opposing it is a loon? Is it because of fear of Zionizts sitting in America?
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Amano, a Japanese, has replaced Baradei as IAEA head. And there are wikileaks cables suggesting that he follows US when it comes to Iran’s nuclear program.
So much for the impartiality of IAEA.
The cable reportedly stated: “Amano reminded [the] ambassador on several occasions that he would need to make concessions to the G-77 [the developing countries group], which correctly required him to be fair-minded and independent, but that he was solidly in the US court on every key strategic decision, from high-level personnel appointments to the handling of Iran’s alleged nuclear weapons program.”
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John Large, an independent nuclear expert in London says, “For Iran, it really does mean that they don’t have a representative, they clearly don’t have the ear of anyone at the IAEA.
Now IAEA is providing vague statements regarding Iran’s nuclear program which are enough of a fodder to make unambiguous false claims by Zionizt inspired American politicians demanding Iran’s head. Just look at the current GOP debate about Iran and how shamelessly Bachmann was telling lies abut Iran. And when Ron Paul corrected her then the media went after him instead of saying anything about Bachamann’s shameless lies.