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Abay bhai why you arguing with him, no matter what source you come back with you not going to get anywhere.. Even with his own source you can nail him e.g. number of research papers by a population 1.2+ Billion versus 60 million.... There are tons of attributes that one can compare... Its a no-brainer....
Well thanks I'll keep what you say in mind. Khair this is basically an arguement of Pro NWO vs anyone who thinks for themselves in a logical manner.
Now when I say Iran holds it's own. I mean it in every sense of the word... unlike other countries it does not kow-tow to the Elite, so called superpowers and it stands up for itself and many other opressed nations. Sure Iran is not perfect as a Sunni myself one can imagine how I dont completely agree with the Iranian theocracy... however looking beyond that I see a nation that can literally pull itself out of years of isolation. Standing well above others in its proximity and with the ability to creat ties further beyond its spheres of influence.
Yes essentially we are in a new Cold War. The way I see it states like America (Isreal) are basically faced by most of the World, especially the poorest countries but Iran has not chosen the path of paying lip service to the powers that be and has made its decision to go against the system.
Perhaps its not wise to stand up to more powerfull people... however for the survival of ones own identity sometimes you have to take a stand. Iran unlike many counties has dealt effectively with internal problems as well as external threats. Despite all the efforst of the superior Western intelligence agencies and rouge operatives Iran has not only kept them at bay but also circumvented them where possible. You only have to look at groups backed by Iran such as Hezbollah to see how a small rag-tag force has become a real political power.
Iran in terms of being a country that is a thorn in the sides of those who upset the global peace is doing a very effective job, even to entertain the notion that Iran is causing problems gives many in the NWO nightmares.
America and Isreal both dread and rightly so a powerfull and well armed Iran, but they will have to reap what they sow. When you take the blood of innocents on lies as happend in Iraq and bring troops right to the doorstep of the country a nation like Iran has every right to defend itself.
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Ahmedinejad said he wants to wipe Israel out. So why wouldn't US be concerned? Isn't that being a dangerous clown?
it is okay to say that...because israel is calling entire generation of gaza based palestnians as terrorist and continued blockade of gaza.Even denying them basic human rights....now u will talk about rocket attacks so u should look at number of ppl killed on both side by hamas and IDF so we can calculate which one is threat to other.Under the pretext of a threat they are eliminating the palestinians....
if israel can manage syria,egypt,jordan,lebanon so wt is problem with palestinian nation. i think freedom of palestinian will establish more prominent peace in middle east but that is wt us and israel do not want.As us will loose all pretexts to intervene in middle-eastern politics
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“wipe off the face of map”.
Ahmedinejad didn’t say that. I can’t believe people still believe this BS. It was a wrong translation.
His true words were: بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود (bayad az safha e roozgar mehev shud). Where is the word for “map” (naqsha, nigasht) here?
If anything, it is Israel which has threatened to wipe Iran off the face of map.
The better translation would be something like: “vanish from the pages of time”. Which is vanishing of Zionizt regime. Like the USSR regime.
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Ahmadinejad later explained what he meant:
At a news conference on January 14, 2006, Ahmadinejad stated his speech had been exaggerated and misinterpreted.[SUP][26]](Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel - Wikipedia)[/SUP] “There is no new policy, they created a lot of hue and cry over that. It is clear what we say: Let the Palestinians participate in free elections and they will say what they want.” Speaking at a D-8 summit meeting in July 2008, he denied that his country would ever instigate military action. Instead he claimed that **“the Zionist regime” **in Israel **would eventually collapse on its own.
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But of course, if someone is willing to tell lies like Iraq’s WMDs to initiate a war or further sanctions then common sense or truth really does not matter.
It is the same people who still believe that Iran’s Quds force gave money to a failed Iranian car dealer to hire a Mexican drug cartel for killing Saudi ambassador right in the US. And the method Iran used to move money for this operation was through its own bank.
Bravo, for people who believe this crazy propaganda.
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yes there is some mis-transilation but do you really believe a country with a controlled govt such as Iran couldn’t get that corrected? And it wasn’t just that one statement. Look at the following :
Then, specialists such as Juan Coleof the University of Michigan and Arash Norouzi of the Mossadegh Projectpointed out that the original statement in Persian did not say that Israel should be wiped from the map, but instead that it would collapse.
Cole said this week that in the 1980s Khomeini gave a speech in which he said in Persian “Een rezhim-i eshghalgar-i Quds bayad az sahneh-i ruzgar mahv shaved.” This means, “This occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the arena of time.” But then anonymous wire service translators rendered Khomeini as saying that Israel “must be wiped off the face of the map,” which Cole and Nourouzi say is inaccurate.
Ahmadinejad slightly misquoted Khomeini, substituting “safheh-i ruzgar,” or “page of time" for “sahneh-i ruzgar” or “arena of time.” But in any case, the old translation was dug up and used again by the Iranian news agency, Cole says. In fact, that’s how it was presented for years on Ahmadinejad’s English-language Web site, as the Times noted in a somewhat defensive article on the translation debate.
But the story doesn’t end there. Karim Sadjadpour, an Iranian specialist at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, notes that Iranian government entities began to erect billboards and signs with the “wipe off” phrase in English. Joshua Teitelbaum of the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs compiled an interesting collection of photographs of these banners, such as one on the building that houses reserve military forces of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. “Israel should be wiped out of the face of the world,” the sign reads in English.
Teitelbaum’s report, while written from a pro-Israel perspective, includes a number of threatening statements about Israel that are similar in tone to Ahmadinejad’s controversial statement.
In 2000, Khamenei stated, “Iran’s position, which was first expressed by the Imam [Khomeini] and stated several times by those responsible, is that the cancerous tumor called Israel must be uprooted from the region.” He went on to say in the same speech that “Palestinian refugees should return and Muslims, Christians and Jews could choose a government for themselves, excluding immigrant Jews.”
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When you quote something about Iran, try to find some neutral references instead of relying on Israeli Zionists. You can not have the cake and eat it too.
All I see in the “photographs” this Zionist occupier posted are exaggerations and hate-mongering. But talking about all of it will vastly increase the scope of this thread, and I don’t want have time for that. If there are one or two specific objections people like you see then let me know.
No, I don’t think so.
If Iran wanted to send the message that they want to destroy Israel then instead of providing wrong translation it should have clearly said that in the original.
It is not the only time when mistakes in translations have been used to condemn/ridicule Ahmadinejad. For example the time when he was mistranslated to say that there are no gays in Iran. Later this statement was corrected but who cares?
"Iran: Ahmedinijad Never Said “No Gays in Iran”
If Iran wanted to send this message then it should have clearly repeated it more than one time. If such a message is not repeated and if the person himself clarifies it repeatedly then this one time doubtful message is not worth it.
If people criticizing and demonizing Iran had been truthful in the past then we may have given them more credence. But we know that it is the same people who concocted evidence and told lies after lies against Iraq so as to start an unjustified war. And yet people like you still want to believe the very same people.
Both Khomeini and Ahmedinejad were talking about “this REGIME”. Regime is a “form of government”. Regime is not a country itself. This again clarifies that they were talking about withering away of Zionizt regime, and not about obliteration of its people. This is unlike the threats some in United States and Israel have given to Iranian people.
Nuking Israel does not make sense whatsoever in the first place. Iran knows that at least 20% of population of proper Israel is of Palestinian descent. Then Gaza, West Bank, and Southern Lebanon are also attached to Israel’s borders.
Nuking Israel also effectively guarantees killing of all these people as well. Why would Iran want to do that?
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Man the U.S is already so broke and in debt, states are bankrupt, municipalities have junk status ratings on their bonds, the country is going down the ****ter. A war with Iran, plus the inevitable increase in oil prices would only lead to a further collapse in the U.S, this is utter madness. Iran is no threat to anyone, they just want nukes as a deterrent. It's not fair that Israel gets to have tons of nukes while Iran can't have any nukes for its own protection.
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^ I also think it is ok for Iran to have nukes but the thing is that there is no evidence that Iran is pursuing them anyway.
One problem is that Iran is theocracy and their supreme leader thinks that WMD like nukes are un-Islamic because they kill people without discrimination.
This is why no one can find any evidence of it because Iran is just not pursuing nukes at all.
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Not to mention that Iran has a self-preservationist streak (like any administration). If they get a nuke and launch it, they're done. The world will come down on them like nobody's business. They want a nuke to deter Israel from attacking, like it has in the past.
Sadly though, America is fully goading Iran into attacking.
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if israel can have it so can iran.....the western powers especially us is not feared of nuclear war if any nation acquires nuclear weapon.....
But they will loose their power of nuclear blackmailing......recently uk has threatened argentina which is a non-nuclear nation with nuclear submarine.....that strategic edge they don't wanna loose
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Since 1979, America and its poodles have tried to meddle with Iran countless times, and they have always ended up with egg on their faces. This time around will be no different and America will be begging for a lot more more than they're drone back.
'...And they plotted and planned, and God also planned, and the best of planners is God.'
