Iran threatens to block Strait of Hormuz in case Iranian oil faces sanctions..

Interesting days ahead.. China gets most of it’s oil requirements from Iran and is against proposed sanctions. It seems US is determined to open this new front with Iran. People are questioning US wisdom that instead of concentrating on their own internal economic problems what’s the logic of opening this new front..

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/28/world/middleeast/iran-threatens-to-block-oil-route-if-embargo-is-imposed.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=global-home
Iran Threatens to Block Oil Shipments, as U.S. Prepares Sanctions
By DAVID E. SANGER and ANNIE LOWREY
Published: December 27, 2011

WASHINGTON —** A senior Iranian official on Tuesday delivered a sharp threat in response to economic sanctions being readied by the United States, saying his country would retaliate against any crackdown by blocking all oil shipments through the Strait of Hormuz, a vital artery for transporting about one-fifth of the world’s oil supply.**

The declaration by Iran’s first vice president, Mohammad-Reza Rahimi, came as President Obama prepares to sign legislation that, if fully implemented, could substantially reduce Iran’s oil revenue in a bid to deter it from pursuing a nuclear weapons program.

Prior to the latest move, the administration had been laying the groundwork to attempt to cut off Iran from global energy markets without raising the price of gasoline or alienating some of Washington’s closest allies.

Apparently fearful of the expanded sanctions’ possible impact on the already-stressed economy of Iran, the world’s third-largest energy exporter, Mr. Rahimi said,** “If they impose sanctions on Iran’s oil exports, then even one drop of oil cannot flow from the Strait of Hormuz,” **according to Iran’s official news agency. Iran just began a 10-day naval exercise in the area.

In recent interviews, Obama administration officials have said that the United States has developed a plan to keep the strait open in the event of a crisis. In Hawaii, where President Obama is vacationing, a White House spokesman said there would be no comment on the Iranian threat to close the strait. That seemed in keeping with what administration officials say has been an effort to lower the level of angry exchanges, partly to avoid giving the Iranian government the satisfaction of a response and partly to avoid spooking financial markets.

But the energy sanctions carry the risk of confrontation, as well as economic disruption, given the unpredictability of the Iranian response. Some administration officials believe that a plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the United States — which Washington alleges received funding from the Quds Force, part of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps — was in response to American and other international sanctions.

Merely uttering the threat appeared to be part of an Iranian effort to demonstrate its ability to cause a spike in oil prices, thus slowing the United States economy, and to warn American trading partners that joining the new sanctions, which the Senate passed by a rare 100-0 vote, would come at a high cost.

Oil prices rose above $100 a barrel in trading after the threat was issued, though it was unclear how much that could be attributed to investors’ concern that confrontation in the Persian Gulf could disrupt oil flows.

The new punitive measures, part of a bill financing the military, would significantly escalate American sanctions against Iran. They come just a month and a half after the International Atomic Energy Agency published a report that for the first time laid out its evidence that Iran may be secretly working to design a nuclear warhead, despite the country’s repeated denials.

In the wake of the I.A.E.A. report and a November attack on the British Embassy in Tehran, the European Union is also contemplating strict new sanctions, such as an embargo on Iranian oil.

For five years, the United States has implemented increasingly severe sanctions in an attempt to force Iran’s leaders to reconsider the suspected nuclear weapons program, and answer a growing list of questions from the I.A.E.A. But it has deliberately stopped short of targeting oil exports, which finance as much as half of Iran’s budget.

Now, with its hand forced by Congress, the administration is preparing to take that final step, penalizing foreign corporations that do business with Iran’s central bank, which collects payment for most of the country’s energy exports.

The sanction would effectively make it difficult for those who do business with Iran’s central bank to also conduct financial transactions with the United States. The step was so severe that one of President Obama’s top national security aides said two months ago that it was “a last resort.” The administration raced to put some loopholes in the final legislation so that it could reduce the impact on close allies who have signed on to pressuring Iran.

The legislation allows President Obama to waive sanctions if they cause the price of oil to rise or threaten national security.

Still, the new sanctions raise crucial economic, diplomatic, and security questions. Mr. Obama, his aides acknowledge, has no interest in seeing energy prices rise significantly at a moment of national economic weakness or as he intensifies his bid for re-election — a vulnerability the Iranians fully understand. So the administration has to defy, or at least carefully calibrate, the laws of supply and demand, bringing to market new sources of oil to ensure that global prices do not rise sharply.

“I don’t think anybody thinks we can contravene the laws of supply and demand any more than we can contravene the laws of gravity,” said David S. Cohen, who, as treasury under secretary for terrorism and financial intelligence, oversees the administration of the sanctions. But, he said, “We have flexibility here, and I think we have a pretty good opportunity to dial this in just the right way that it does end up putting significant pressure on Iran.”

The American effort, as described by Mr. Cohen and others, is more subtle than simply cutting off Iran’s ability to export oil, a step that would immediately send the price of gasoline, heating fuel, and other petroleum products skyward. That would “mean that Iran would, in fact, have more money to fuel its nuclear ambitions, not less,” Wendy R. Sherman, the newly installed under secretary of state for political affairs, warned the Senate Foreign Relations Committee earlier this month.

Instead, the administration’s aim is to reduce Iran’s oil revenue by diminishing the volume of sales and forcing Iran to give its customers a discount on the price of crude.

Some economists question whether reducing Iran’s oil exports without moving the price of oil is feasible, even if the market is given signals about alternative supplies. Already, analysts at investment banks are warning of the possibility of rising gasoline prices in 2012, due to the new sanctions by the United States as well as complementary sanctions under consideration by the European Union.

Since President Obama’s first months in office, his aides have been talking to Saudi Arabia and other oil suppliers about increasing their production, and about guaranteeing sales to countries like China, which is among Iran’s biggest customers. But it is unclear that the Saudis can fill in the gap left by Iran, even with the help of Libyan oil that is coming back on the market. The United States is also looking to countries like Iraq and Angola to increase production.

Daniel Yergin, whose new book, “The Quest,” describes the oil politics of dealing with states like Iran, noted in an interview that “given the relative tightness of the market, it will require careful construction of the sanctions combined with vigorous efforts to bring alternative supplies into the market.” He said that it would “add a whole new dimension to the debate over the Keystone XL pipeline,” the oil pipeline from Canada to the United States that the administration has sought to delay.

“The only strategy that is going to work here is one where you get the cooperation of oil buyers,” said Michael Singh, managing director of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. “You could imagine the Europeans, the Japanese, and the South Koreans cooperating, and then China would suck up all of the oil that was initially going to everyone else.”

A broader question is whether the sanctions — even if successful at lowering Iran’s oil revenue — would force the government to give up its nuclear ambitions.

One measure of the effects, however, is that the Iranian leadership is clearly concerned. Already the Iranian currency is plummeting in value against the dollar, and there are rumors of bank runs.

“Iran’s economic problems seem to be mounting and the whole economy is in a state of suspended expectation,” said Abbas Milani, director of Iranian studies at Stanford University. “The regime keeps repeating that they’re not going to be impacted by the sanctions. That they have more money than they know what to do with. The lady doth protest too much.”

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The logic? Simple, just like Pakistan or any other country US wants its public detracted to outside issues so they can keep messing up local issues.

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Given that this would collapse the economy of the GCC countries, this would be a direct provocation against Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, and the UAE.

Since the 80s (the last time Iran actually tried to close the Hormuz), the GCC has considerably unified operational procedures for their military and carried out regular joint exercises so that they can operate under a joint military command when necessary). They have also spent billions on modern firepower.

An Iranian closure of the Hormuz would be extremely concerning for Pakistan - because if the GCC try and force it open, they are likely to call in all their favours with Pakistan to apply pressure on Iran from the East while they squeeze from the West.

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Iran is like the little boy jumping up and down for attention, having lost all credibility. If they try anything funny they'll be handing the USA the justification for retribution

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That little boy has survived more than anyother nation in the last 25 years. Its almost a miracle how a country like Iran has shrugged itself into a pretty good position internationally considering how not that long ago they faced one of the biggest Armies in the World one backed up by the West. Iran - Iraq war.

Not only that but the fact that the Iranians are scientifically making incredible breakthroughs with some really usefull technology. Especially in the specialist smaller sciences like small electronics and the field of optics thier work is fantastic. Only yesterday they announced the worlds smallest microphone had been made in Iran. Plus lots of groundbreaking new discoveries in Surgery as well.

Iran might be trying to grab attention but its at least done a lot of good for itself and its nieghbours unlike America which has made the world a lot less safer.

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Millitarily speaking Iran wont be able to match the GCC in terms of firepower and any blockade would most likely fail.

However the GCC Arabs rely on western weaponry and training while the Iranians have most of thier stuff home-made and therefore easier to mass produce. In terms of weaponry the Iranians lack the heavy guns needed to pulverize an opponent but if they do clash then in the long run Iran has a lot of staying power and can put up with a terrific amount of damage and still keep on going, this coupled with if the Chinese join the fray then Iran has a good chance of holding out in a sustained war.

The GCC on the dont enjoy the support of thier people who many are allready in open revolt. It could further hamper them if the clash becomes a long run thing. America is actually very stretched and like against Iraq it probably wont have a massive support from the rest of the world. However unlike Iraq where the Army and people were fed up with Saddam Iran has a very motivated and proffesional army backed with high morale. It wont be as easy to beat Iran as it was with Iraq.

The Americans also risk turning the region into a bloodbath becuase as with many middle eastern issues things will snowball and other countries will be affected as well. Pakistan is best keeping out of this fray I think. Iran is probably going to survive any engagement though...

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@faris - don't forget Iran was not like one of those bedouin arab tribal countries. They had one of the most developed civilizations, economies, arts & sciences, architecture...Look at where they have fallen to.

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Your knowledge of History is rather Sketchy. Same could be said of most nations including the USA. India itself was once a great Nation as well with a rich and thriving culture that was mostly of peace and was definately one of the worlds first agriculatural revolutions.

However for your information Iran has seen the coming and going of many nations and while you might think the Bedouin are uncouth and have no culture as barbarians in comparrison you will be suprised to know that both civilisations like all civilisations have the same common roots. Anyway Iran saw much turmoil in its history nothing less then the subcontinent. However Unlike the Subcontinent Iran is a great example of survivalism and also encorporating the best of others.

Iran was not always the great advanced civilisation its made to be... it got to that position through many challenges for example the first empire was wiped out by Alexander but for millenia it was the Greeks and Macedonians who were the back-water countries while Iran thrived no matter who ruled it.

Considering that Iran was devasted no less than three times between the last 500 years by invaders its suprising that they still manage to keep going. You say they have fallen?

What makes you assume they have fallen in recent years? Ask majority of Iranians and they will tell you things have got so much better than they were in the 80's. For a start theres no invading army inside Iran at the moment... and even if someone did invade Iran its not like a small country you can swallow up easily... Iran is much bigger than Iraq and much more potent.

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The GCC countries do have overwhelming support from their people, with the exception of Bahrain. None of the monarchies of Saudi Arabia, UAE, or Qatar are in any danger, their people are generally content. Even in Kuwait discontent is targetted at the prime minister rather than the institution of the monarchy.

In terms of the shape of a conflict, the GCC countries don't have the land forces strength to invade iran, and they would not seek to either, having seen Iraq's experience with the US invasion.

Instead, they would target Iran's navy, air force, and land-based anti-ship missile launchers. The GCC has a clear technological advantage over Iran in the air that woul allow them to forcibly control the Hormuz Straits.

Iran's ability to produce its own weapons would be swiftly neutralised within 1 week of the war when long-range F-15s from Saudi Arabia would destroy the Iranian arms industry with laser or satellite guided bombs.

After the destruction of the Iranian Air Force and surface navy, GCC fleets should be able to leisurely hunt down any Iranian submarines in the Gulf. That would leave just 2 complications.

1) Hunting down land-based launchers. Without the ability to occupy the Iranian coast, the GCC would need to maintain near constant surveillance of the Iranian coast to watch for launch vehicles. In the mean time, oil vessels could resume sailing under protection of naval warships with anti missile defences for reduced risk. The US could easily provide such ships while legally maintaining neutrality, freeing up GCC ships for anti-submarine patrols.

2) Iraq would need to be kept neutral. Iraq's Shia government would come under intense domestic pressure to intervene on the Iranian side. This is where the GCC armies would come into play. Positioned on the Iraqi borders with Kuwait and Saudi, they could secure against incursion by irregular or regular military forces.

The Saudis would probably ask Pakistan to again send troops to defend Mecca and Medina. The two cities would not really be in any danger, but it would free up Saudi National Guard militia from those areas, as well as make Iran worried enough about Pakistani intentions to divert some of its military strength to the Pakistani border.

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Well, everyone has their own scenarios. But the fact is that nobody knows much about what will happen if the war starts. If the war against Iran was all so handy dandy then it would have started by Americans/ Israelis/ Saudis long time ago. It has not started because nobody knows enough about the things will turn out.

Iran has been spending its time developing some asymmetrical warfare. I am not sure completely, but if Iran's claims are true then Iran used GPS spoofing to take down one of the sophisticated drones almost intact.
And it is such unknowns which are making people like Mullen warn against starting the war.

My view is that Iraq's shia government will not join in regardless of the situation. Iraqis shias and sunnis are not as religiously inclined as Iranian and Saudi mullahs. They do not consider themselves a vassal state of either Iran or Saudis. Rather they are Iraqis first.


Mad scientist, Why would Mecca and Medina be in danger that Saudis ask for Pakistan's help? In your scenario, Saudis will be working with Zionists against another Islamic country. It is not the other way around. That is, Saudis are not going to fight against Zionists. And if this is the case then why would there be a worry about Mecca and Medina?
Anyway, Pakistan will never involve itself in any such war. While Saudis and other GCC members were openly supporting Iraq financially and militarily during Iran-Iraq war, Pakistan was completely neutral. The same policy will continue from Pakistan.

It's none of Pakistan's business. American, Saudis and Israelis would have enough money and resources that help from any other countries won't be needed.

mad scientist:

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None of the monarchies of Saudi Arabia, UAE, or Qatar are in any danger, their people are generally content.
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Jae ho Amreeka aur Israel ki. :D
They are content because they only provide lip service for Palestine's cause. This is why American and Israeli Zionists have allowed them to relax and enjoy.
Iran could have done the same. Iran is America's enemy no. 1 only because of its active support to the cause of Quds.

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It is not GCC vs Iran. Saddam fought the longest war ever fought (8 years) with backing from USA, Britain, and all the Arab countries (ex. Syria) put together. Iran holded on.
GCC is nothing but a tool in the hands of the dominant world order. Although GCC might play some sort of side kick, the real game will be between Iran and the big bosses.

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I doubt US is stupid enough to start another terror campaign but if it does than the following link has some very valid points, Beside in addition to losing in Vietnamistan it will definately lose a face saver too, The Iranians can move in vietnamisan and start making love to 150K amreekan gals. :smiley:

P.S: I am trying to locate a research paper, A war game between US and Iran in the gulf and no matter what US does each and every ship got hit and sunk. If anyone knows the link please post here.

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I haven’t gone through the whole thing, but honestly I really doubt these claims. Plus the source doesn’t “look” authentic.
But then, I don’t have much knowledge about this stuff. So I am not sure.

All I know is that Iran has been developing asymmetric warfare because it knows EXACTLY what America and others can do. But don’t know how effective they will be.

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@faris - if your idea of a country doing well is absence of an invading army, sure they're doing great in Iran. If you decide to use normal measures then you'll realize -
* 2nd or 3rd largest crude oil producer has to IMPORT usable gasolene - so much for development!
* the ayatolla cleritocracy has pretty much sucked out any prospect for progressive modernity
* the place is led by ahemdinejad for god sake! everytime he opens his mouth Iran takes two steps backwards

The only reason Iran finds some grudging support is from some of the muslim extremists who lap up the ahmedinejad rhetoric about bombing Israel!

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^ You do realize that Iran is under severe sanctions from Zionists in the US and their supporters in Europe. Right?

Here is the reason why Iran has to import gasoline. Again, it has a lot to do with sanctions:

Refineries don’t come cheap: In the United States, it can cost billions of dollars to set up a brand-new facility.

Other countries draw development money from energy companies in exchange for market access. But many companies have shied away from making such deals with Iran. They face direct sanctions from the United States and United Nations, as well as political pressure discouraging involvement.


But even in the face of such adversity, Iran’s imports have started decreasing:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/18/iran-gasoline-imports-idUSL5E7LI2G620111018
Iranian gasoline imports have slumped by as much as 95 percent over the last four years, according to official government data, as rising refinery capacity and lower fuel subsidies help neutralize western sanctions aimed at starving Tehran of fuel.

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The best defense against an incomming ASM is to not get in its way or stay out of its range, if not than all bets are off and you do not want to be near the doomed boat no matter what. But if there is a saturated attack than I don't think its rocket science to figure out whats the outcome.

US is not in a position to get into another war with a nation of 60+ million, They are enjoying the hospitality of vietnamistan and I don't think they would vouch for more.

I can dig out all the huba huba huba that US was going to do in last 20 years and this one is no different, read, comment and just enjoy :)

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http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/ML13Ak01.html

China’s least costly, fastest, and perhaps most effective defense of Iran would be the expeditious sale of a large stock of Sizzler anti-ship missiles. The Sizzler is a relatively short-range missile, launched from a number of platforms, that accelerates to supersonic speeds and zig-zags as it nears its target. The US Navy has developed radar-guided, rapid-fire cannons to counter them, but the Sizzlers’ speed and maneuverability are ahead of them. The US Navy admits as much.

A large number of Sizzlers and Sunburns (a Russian equivalent; some already in Iran’s arsenals) would be a formidable deterrent to foreign attack as well as a devastating counterstrike weapon. US naval vessels in the Gulf would suffer serious losses, perhaps including an aircraft carrier - something the US has not experienced since World War II.** The weapons are so shockingly deadly and so portentous in world affairs that China and Russia must worry about the consequences of their use.**

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I don't care much about Europe/US, but the immediate fall out of this disaster will be for Pakistan.

Pakistan will be on crossroads to choose between GCC or Iran. Maybe GCC going to ask Pakistan for military deployment or direct help for taking out the Iranian Navy/Air Force, it will just escalate the situation and probably make the whole Middle East into turmoil which will probably end in change or borders. bells are ringing, anyone?

Don't forget the resources of US CENTCOM with 5th fleet deploy around GCC, it will be not easy to block hormuz given United States enormous naval power.

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yeah and iran also announced that it found a cure for AIDS.

what do you mean by "pretty good position internationally"? it has no substantive position internationally. its high profile is entirely for negative reasons. like its useless arab neighbors, it can do nothing but sell its fossil fuel and has has been buoyed by high oil prices.

that is due to an accident of geology, not any noteworthy achievement.

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Not "reasonS" but "reason". There is only ONE reason Iran is demonized by the US and its sycophants around the world. Israel.