Re: Iran leader: Holocaust a ‘myth’
This is what the supporters of this Holocaust myth cannot seem to address.
Re: Iran leader: Holocaust a ‘myth’
Don’t you think that one should at least have some pride for the country they live in?
What remains unsaid here is that folks like Lajiwobbles want all the advantages of the West without contributing. Sort of parasitic eh?
For all of the theoretical advantages of Political Islam, the Ottoman Empire remains the only example of turning Islamic political theory into successful practice. (Unless you count the Taliban, but let’s not). So the game is to pay lip service to the superiority of Political Islam while not risking anything in a country where the Mullahs may take a dislike to you and have you killed or imprisoned and tortured. So to appease your conscience, you criticise Democracy, despite the fact that Democracy is sweeping the globe. (Ask the Russians about failed Political Ideology.)
The nice thing is that in a Democracy we even listen to parasites like Lajjy.
Let’s hope we bring back the Draft… Canada’s population would double…
Re: Iran leader: Holocaust a 'myth'
Call me a bigot, anti-semitic blah blah for saying that
While there is no doubt that many Jews were massaccred by the Nazis in 1940s. There is no way anyone can realistically argue that 6 million Jews were killed. I would be surprised if the real figure was even 1 million
Re: Iran leader: Holocaust a ‘myth’
OG, what would you consider contributing and what would you consider parasitic?
Second, why is it that most Americanists believe that if an opinion given by an immigrant is contrary to their own, he should be deported or asked to leave?
Third, did you guys leave when the natives wanted you? If you had, you wouldn’t be here, would you…
Fourth, I believe more can be said in front of Mullahs, contrary to what you have been taught by your media than you can imagine. You form an opinion AFTER you have been into contact with somebody or something. Your ‘killing and torture’ routine would be laughed at by most people who have been in contact with Mullahs.
Fifth, the nicest thing about democracy on paper and the media and the reality is that much of the public remains in the dark about most points and is enlightened about only which suits the government to twist public mentality anyway they want, i.e. Read 1984. Free speech died in US a long time ago. Today, free speech means as long as your views agree with the US of A’s atrocities, you are in the good books. Your views alter and you are a threat to the nation with indefinite incarceration and torture, blackballed as un-American and a traitor.
Fear and paranoia is everywhere in today’s USA. Much like it was growing amongst the Nazis when the Jews lived there. This country is fast on its way to becoming a true fascist state.
Now, as a form of experiment, try reading my views coming from someone named Steven in Virginia and then as a Muslim from Pakistan.
You’ll understand the power of porpaganda then…And then deny you felt differently…
Re: Iran leader: Holocaust a ‘myth’
What do you base your statments on? Wilhel Hoettel a Nazi physician after the war in 1945 during trial submitted that 4 million Jews were executed in concentration camps and another 2 million killed outside of them.
Re: Iran leader: Holocaust a ‘myth’
i agree with iranian leader. :k: as for americans and their boo-hoo-hoo, all u have to do to work then out is say the word Jews. works like a charm everytime. 
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Re: Iran leader: Holocaust a ‘myth’
There are many other taboos and forbidden terms in America. Anti-Semitism is just one of them. However it is hard to understand these finer points in the smelly environs of UK aloo stores.
Best regards
Re: Iran leader: Holocaust a 'myth'
Laj,
I agree precisely with Seminole.
In my history here I have never heard you say a single positive thing about the country you live in.
I throughly believe in free speech and dissent. I graduated from Kent State where four students were killed by the National Guard protesting the Vietnam war. I know and understand the power of dissent in a Democracy.
With that in mind, I believe that one can freely speak ones mind here, in what is called the corner soap box test. That is, if you voice your concerns in an appropriate way, you will not be dragged away to a secret hole and beaten, which is NOT true of virtually any Muslim country. You, my friend, certainly take advantage of that soap box priveledge daily here on Gupshup.
So I am left with the conclusion that despite your protests, there must be a great number of unspoken advantages to living in the US, or you would have hightailed it out of town for some Islamic Utopia by now. The point is that by NOT voicing the advantages you have in the US you look hypocritical. That is what Semi is trying to tell you, and that is what I am trying to tell you.
You make the daily decision to continue living here for some selfish reason, (unless you are some sleeper cell marking time until you ignite your shoe or something) yet you do not have the balls to express those advantages, because it might decay your daily diatribes of the horrors of the west.
In the end, the green cards say it all. When there is an outflow of people back to their beloved counties (Pakistan for instance), then I guess peoples actions will again speak louder than their words. Your action, or rather passive inaction, also speaks loudly, as things here must not be bad enough for you to pack your bags.
Don't worry, we all get it...
Re: Iran leader: Holocaust a ‘myth’
Those who quetion the holocaust myths have stated these figures were largely conjured up by one Nazi officer who was parctically pleading for his life at Nuremburg. That is all this “6 million” figure is really based on, not much more.
Re: Iran leader: Holocaust a ‘myth’
It is a shame that someone with sigs like “Pakistan Zindabaad” is a rabid follower of neo-Nazi David Duke and other prophets of hate a la Mullahs of Iran.
Following your logic, there was no ethnic cleansing in Bosnia and Kosovo. So it was wrong for Prez. Clinton to attack an independent country?
Or the Bosnian Muslims now settled in Europe and US should be “wiped out” or they should be sent to Belgrade.
Srebrenica was all a 'myth" created by USA to justify an invasion.
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Re: Iran leader: Holocaust a ‘myth’
Ethnic cleansing of Hazaras at the hands of Talibans was no less than a holocaust. What number would satisfy you to call it a “Shia Hazara” holocaust at the hands of Taliban? a thousand, a million, or more?
Jewish population of Germany was subjected to horrendous treatment. Now these neo-Nazi Maulanas want to call it a ‘myth’. Surely the one-eyed Mullah of Afghanistan did not commit crimes against Hazaras. It was all a myth as per the Sunni Mullahs of Frontier. Killing of Hazaras was all propoganda to justify US invasion. Hazaras were in fact the best treated minority of Talibanic Afghanistan. NOT!
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p.s. Who stops Sunni Mullahs to declare tomorrow that Karbala massacre was all a myth. It was all a Shia conspiracy to malign the bearded Hazrat. See it is so easy to rewrite history.
Re: Iran leader: Holocaust a ‘myth’
If Bosnians also exaggerate to the max and start claiming that 6 million of them were killed by Serbs in ethnic cleansing in 1990s, i would have the same opinion about bosnia
i am not even saying that ethnic cleansing of Jews in WW2 was a myth. But there is absolutely nothing substantive about the 6 million figure, it is exaggeration to the max?
Let’s just stick to the topic shall we. Your emotional black-mailing rants have become very boring now and don’t cut it.
and BTW, you forgot that i own several aloo stores in UK
Re: Iran leader: Holocaust a ‘myth’
We Shia’s do not ask for laws in every country so that people are compelled to believe what happened to the Hazara’s at the hands of the Taliban, or what happened in Karbala. People can question as much as they want, but our beliefs and convictions are stronger, and we are confident enough in the truths.
Why are there laws to punish people who question any of the so-called facts about the Holocaust? It is obvious that the Jews are not confident of the long touted figures, and hence demand that people be punished for questioning these lies.
Re: Iran leader: Holocaust a ‘myth’
Two things to be made very clear
Firstly the sectarian violence in afghanistan had its roots in the tribal culture,sure the taliban treated the hazara and shias horribly but remember what happened to the taliban(pashtun) when the Northern alliance took over,the steel containers used to transport prisoners the mutilated corpses in the gutters and airstrikes to quell the prison revolt.
Regarding events of Karbala this cannot be compared with the holcaust because of one fundamental difference that it was suppressed by the ummayyads for many years yet despite all that state-sponsered suppression nowadays all muslims regardless of their sectarian belief commemorate that day in their own way.
So this is not a case of a state-sponsered myth which can be debunked at will by anyone.Some authors(Mahmud Abbasi) have tried to present the case for Yazid and the other Umayyads but as far as I know none of these attempts have been given much importance by any mainstream sunni religious clerics.
Re: Iran leader: Holocaust a ‘myth’
Let me just add to this not only the beliefs but also Overwhelming historical evidence is there to support this event.In fact no battle in Islamic history has been discussed in greater details than this.
Re: Iran leader: Holocaust a ‘myth’
OG, is this what you and semi want, people should be voicing the advantages of US, would that make you happy, its the praise what you seek? Its known as Chamchagerri back home, and thats how the states are run, through Chamchagerri. Now you want the USA to acquire that quality, then it wont be far when “people” will start packing their bags.
Re: Iran leader: Holocaust a 'myth'
I don't care if you want to come up with conspiracy theories regarding the Holocaust OR if you praise the US. I just think if you hate America and everything it stands for you ought to pack your bags. And in the case of Lajo who loves OBL and the Taliban, he move to Nigeria or some other bastion of Islamic utopia.
Re: Iran leader: Holocaust a 'myth'
I 2nd that
Re: Iran leader: Holocaust a ‘myth’
Then please answer one simple question for me. Why does Lajawab stay in the US?
What I am seeking is for Lajawab to acknowledge the positives he experiences. Of course when he does that he will have to acknowledge the successes of democracy, and he would rather die than admit Democracy is successful. His continued residency is a testiment to how wrong his views are, but he does not see the hypocricy in this…
In the 60’s, protestors were often met with the phrase, “America love it or leave it!” No one is seeking that level of compliance here. We just find it incredible that someone who deplores virtually every basic tenet of life here choses to stay. The only two answers to that are hipocricy or insanity.
Re: Iran leader: Holocaust a ‘myth’
Laws or No laws, Shia Muslims have indeed forced their opinions when possible. Sunnis in Iran are already a persecuted minority. Why? Because they do not fit in the Shia frame of law.
How come Shia Muslims always send “good words” to Sunni Khalifas?
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How come the implementation of Fiqah Jafriah in Pakistan became a violent struggle against Sunnis. Who urged the Quetta Shias to burn Police Stations immediately after revolution in Iran?
Wasn’t Imam Khomayni trying to export his version of Islamic law to every place he could? The worst possible crime ever committed by anyone in recent history is holding American diplomats as hostages. This was something even our Messenger ‘saw’ forbade us. He ‘saw’ went to war with nations who killed or persecuted Muslim ambassadors. Here we have these pipsqueak Maulanas trying to run the world from their little Hojras.
Every group including Shias tries to enforce their writ while terming others material as simply a ‘myth’.
Hitler’s hand were dripping with Jewish blood before Allah poisoned, and burned this devil in a little bunker. And you guys have a gal to to support another Hitler a la Prez. Nejad?
Hey man! I know the history of Afghanistan. So please don’t try to justify one ethnic cleansing with another brutal suppression.
Talking about Hazaras, they were subjected to no less of a holocaust. Off course Talibanic Mullahs try to call it a ‘myth’, just like Prez. Nejad ‘myth’ statement about Jewish holocaust.
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