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^ We are not talking of different interpertations of islam here...we are talking of "denying the concept of being muslim here"....It is a situation where the water has gone over your head....Do you remain muslim if you deny or to a lesser extent make mockery of the pillars of islam...
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The way you’re talking abt him it sounds he mocks it while still being a “Muslim” is to deliberately malign the religion, to discredit it.. kinda like the “insider’s view”.. it’s more acceptable for one of ur so-called “own” to diss the religion than it is for an outsider, so maybe thas why he doens’t convert out.. sickos 
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sara what the hell did u just say i’ve been trying to make sense of it… 
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So you are saying that this iranian dude is like a mole?
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I thot it was clear ?
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^ yes just like calling urself muslim...but calling islam bad...
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Who said anything about being proud of it? I disagree with you. It seems like the amount of non-practicing Iranians far exceeds that of non-practicing people from other races. I have yet to meet a Pakistani that doesn’t believe in God, even if they don’t practice. I’ve met many Iranians who don’t believe in God at all, and yes, they were born Muslim.
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There's a diff btw accepting the religion but not practicing as opposed to not even beliving in it to begin with..
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I had forgotten to mention that those Iranians that I’ve known that do believe in God, act like they don’t.
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That’s the point..
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The "reward" for that is clear.
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Have to agree that living in the west it certainly seems that way, some reasons contribute to this
1)most Iranians living here(US,UK) are people who fled the country after the revolution or their children,naturally these people have no religious inclination whatsoever and equate Islam with the Mullahs.
2)Many young iranians who do not remember the tyrannical period of the shah but
only the whips of the mullah have been desensitized towards religion.they openly violate islamic injunctions,e.g last year there were pictures of youth in some areas of Tehran celebrating on the holy day of Ashura.
3)Some Iranians feel that following the ways of the arabs(i.e Islam) is not right since they have a far older civilization they call all religious iranians as “arab parast” or arab worshippers it should be noted they represent only a fringe of Iranian society but have become increasingly vocal in the last several years.
e.g the imperial iranian flag contained the pic of a lion holding the “Zulfiqar” the sword of Ali(A.S)now many of these secular iranians are saying that this should be removed from the Pahlavi Flag since it shows an Arabic Influence.
Now tell me this which muslim in his right mind(much less a shia) will do such a thing? so equating such people with shiaism is baseless
One only needs to go to Iran to witness the reverence general population have for the Prophet(PBUH) the shia Imams and the rightly guided Sahaba.
4)However having said all this it would be wrong to assume that all Iranians are like this many even here in the West have taken steps to propogate their faith to the best of their abilities here is one such man
http://www.rezaaslan.com
I hope this settles this issue!
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Don't we have more pressing issues than how Iranians choose to live their lives?
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I agree ......but since this discussion was going nowhere I was trying to explain the reasons behind the "Godlessness" of many Iranians
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Some people are condemning Iranians just because they are shias.
Isn’t it so darn obvious? 
And here comes the cat out of the bag! What did it have to do with matam and stuff?
That IS the main reason Blitzy. 
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LastoftheDin - is right. Who are you to judge people if they are good or bad. Only God can do that (Allah).
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No…again the purpose of this thread is not to malign shias or sunnis…or to decide who is good or who is bad…
