Iran,Islam & Those Bashing Islam.

[Sheraz_CT]

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@Prince of Persia

You seem to have a very sangdil concept of God in Shiaism, after embracing Islam all sins are washed away, in Islam Allah is Raheem and Kareem.

what the hell are you talking about? it might be asking alot but make some sense next time..jaahil insaan

[Mr_Fraudia]

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@Sheraz CT

one answer:

Iran has a shia majority…point is that some messed up person does not represent iran and the shias

sheraz is correct. you can not label all iranians as this or that based on either the examples of the spoilt expat iranian brats like the ones pointed out in this post or the extremists like ayotollahs and what nots. Most Iranians are decent people, some are religious some are not. Just like in any other nation.

[Goliko]

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^I am talking about the expat Iranians here...who have left iran sometimes back & living in the west...

[Goliko]

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@Sharaabi

one question:

Why are the shias on this board getting so worked up?

This thread had nothing to do with Shia, Sunni belief or behavior.

Ya right…i was not talking of the shias/sunni here…I was just trying to point out that many Iranian families in USA are not comfortable with being muslim & are out of their restrictions…

[sal35]

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@Goliko

One of my colleagues at work is from Iran…He is in his late 30’s,he came to USA in 1997…Apparently he shows that he is a Muslim…But when it comes to Islam…i haven’t seen anyone who can defame islam more then him…he drinks,eat pork & has thousands of girl friends…whenever he talks to me ,he is sarcastic of i being a muslim & islam being terrible/terrorist…i have seen his sisters & mom…all of whom wear skirts with bare tops…He has offered me alcohol many times,even knowing that i m a muslim(sometimes not even telling me that it’s an alcoholic drink…which i hate)…

He says that Iran is a very open society & they used to do the similar things in iran…Alcohol is prevalent & sex is not a problem…I have decided to tell him for once that it’s not cool to talk islam with me ,as i wouldn’t be that cool if he tries to bash islam…it is unethical & unprofessional to defame my religion in front of my face…I don’t care if it may lead a big fight later on…

This is nothing new, strange or surprising to me. I know at least two dozen Iranians in Canada and I am yet to find one who is different from your above description. Don’t get upset and accomodate them? At least sometimes you will find that they sympathise and try to help you because you are after all a fellow muslim.

[Das_Reich]

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aside from Turkey, which muslim nation has a more irreligious populace, especially its youth, than Iran? which has a higher alcohol consumption? which produces a higher percentage of apostates and athiests?
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Can you quote any figures?

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plenty of kafir nations have given aid and stood up for oppressed muslims far more than Iran has
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true.... but how many muslim nations have stood up for oppressed muslims?

[Blitzkrieg]

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@Sara516

Ur a double personality ???

Nahin mein tumhara humzaad hoon!

On another thought, scratch that idea!
Mujh jaisa chhein chabila khubsoorat nojiwaan tumhara hamzaad ban hi nahin sakta..

[Fret_Wizard]

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I've met many Iranaians, and I don't think I've ever met one that was religious in any way whatsoever.

[Prince_Abbas]

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^ In that case, you haven't met many Iranians. Because I know both religious and non-religious Iranians, just like I know religious and non-religious Pakistanis, for example!

[Fret_Wizard]

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@Prince Abbas

^ In that case, you haven’t met many Iranians. Because I know both religious and non-religious Iranians, just like I know religious and non-religious Pakistanis, for example!

I know religious and non-religous pakistanis as well, but all of the Pakistani’s I know at least believe in Islam, even if they don’t practice. All of the many, yes MANY Iranians that I have met, don’t even believe in Islam.

[shweetdreamz]

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mazza aa gaya thread perr ker....united we stand...............

:)

[Das_Reich]

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@Fret Wizard

, but all of the Pakistani’s I know at least believe in Islam, even if they don’t practice. .

Are you saying that pakistanis are hypocrites??

[Fret_Wizard]

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@Das Reich

Are you saying that pakistanis are hypocrites??

Some of them, absolutely.

[Ma_Mooli]

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^ and that is something to be proud of?

I guess birds of a feather flock together. Most Iranians i've met so far (abroad) are mostly religious. But there are bound to be some none practising iranians, just like there are non practising pakistanis/saudis/egyptians etc. who claim to be muslims but do all sorts. its not limited to one nationality or one sect as the prince of persia would have us believe. hence using a few examples to tar a whole nation/sect is very narrowminded and pathetic to say the least.

[lazy_daisy]

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@Reza Pahlavi

Bloody hell!

I cannot believe how some of you have used the examples of some spoilt brats and pissed off Iranian exiles, who always emulated anything western anyway, to make such sweeping generlizations about a nation of 70 million people, and Shia Islam as well. Not only that but some of you have gone further and started making similar sweeping statements about other Muslim groups as well, yet hastened to include our own people (Pakistani’s ) who are also guilty of such attitudes and vices as well.

Jeez, when will Pakistani’s drop the “thekadari” of the Ummah that we adopted so long ago?, because this self-appointed guardiancy is not much appreciated by other Muslims. In case some of you don’t know your history, it is Iran that that stood upto the American’s in '79, the Israeli’s in Lebanon, and helped the Bosnian Muslims and stands up for the Palestinian’s while most our blessed governments are busying kissing western behinds. So drop all this bile about Iranian’s and others being such terrible Muslims, because frankly it is getting pretty offensive, and it does not show much for our so called love for fellow Muslims!

agree

[Mehnaz]

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@Ma Mooli

^ and that is something to be proud of?

I guess birds of a feather flock together. Most Iranians i’ve met so far (abroad) are mostly religious. But there are bound to be some none practising iranians, just like there are non practising pakistanis/saudis/egyptians etc. who claim to be muslims but do all sorts. its not limited to one nationality or one sect as the prince of persia would have us believe. hence using a few examples to tar a whole nation/sect is very narrowminded and pathetic to say the least.

Well said Ma Mooli. :k:

[nikhil25]

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@Ma Mooli

^ and that is something to be proud of?

I guess birds of a feather flock together. Most Iranians i’ve met so far (abroad) are mostly religious. But there are bound to be some none practising iranians, just like there are non practising pakistanis/saudis/egyptians etc. who claim to be muslims but do all sorts. its not limited to one nationality or one sect as the prince of persia would have us believe. hence using a few examples to tar a whole nation/sect is very narrowminded and pathetic to say the least.

obviously it will apply to all communities, but you don’t think there is a noticeably higher frequency of this with Iranians?

[Blitzkrieg]

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Offcourse now the iranian apologists (people who claim ancestry with Iran) will come and offer all sorts of excuses…

PS I like the matam of iranis, no blood no pain!

[Das_Reich]

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According to Ahadith
Dajjal will rise up from Isfahan(Iran) with an army of jews wearing persian shawls.

And the army that will fight on the side of Mehdi(A.S) will come from Khurasan(also Iran) carrying black flags(original color of the islamic battle standards)

so there is some weight in the argument that their is intense splitting between the religious and nonreligious Iranians

[LastOfTheDinosaurs]

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There is not a single interpretation of Islam to derive one's sense of rightuousness and essence of things from. (There is not a single concept of God even). So let this Iranian guy alone and let him assign meanings to life as he understands it.

Turkey and Iran don't derive their identities from Islam alone. Religion can only be one( and often very insignificant ) of a multitude of factors that go into forming a people identity. The point is, Iranians and Turks are very clear about who they are!