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Muslims today consider it okay to marry "people of the book" *but how do you define "people of the book" *? I believe the real "people of the book" are the people who were the real and true followers of Hazrat Isa (AS) and Hazrat Musa (AS). Jews and Christians today cannot be considered "People of the Book" because they have deviated heavily (according to muslims) from the original teachings of Hazrat Isa and Hazrat Musa. Just because they call themselves Christians and Jews doesnt mean we have to take their word for it.
Cheegum, I don't agree to your conclusion:
1. It is mentioned in quran about the deviation of "people of the book". Meaning the deviation was already known.
2. Knowing the deviation of people of the book and still allowing inter faith marriage can only mean one thing that it is allowed.
it still does not show anywhere in the quran where it says that women must speak to na mehram men in an impolite manner. Which is exactly what was claimed earlier in the thread.
so go ahead show me, and I will stand corrected.
right now I see no proof supporting that person’s claims. that by islam women cant be “polite”
chal bay.. friday I fell in love with a chica in the elevator, too bad she got off on the 6th floor I was hoping she would stick around until 12th floor.
it still does not show anywhere in the quran where it says that women must speak to na mehram men in an impolite manner. Which is exactly what was claimed earlier in the thread.
so go ahead show me, and I will stand corrected.
right now I see no proof supporting that person's claims. that by islam women cant be "polite"
well its not in quran.Its a hadith that says that.And yes i don't hav any reference that i can send u right away.Coz sometimes u get a book from friend/lib read n return.U remember what it says.U don't keep cuttings for future references.
I can try however to find something on this topic online.However u can go to some Islamic center/lib around n try to search too.We know wat we read its u who need evidence.
great, so dawa_i-dill was completely incorrect when he claimed that it was in quran..to begin with.
Now there is a very big difference in talking with a stern/stiff voice, or rather in a voice in order to not entice someone, versus not being polite.
so when you dig up that hadeeth, please do post it here, because I am certain that it says nothing about being rude/impolite. I would be very curious to see the source of your knowledge that can not differentiate between being stern and being impolite…
What I dont understand is its always said that men r allowed to get married to a Ahele kitab becuz their kids will have the father's religion...Wellisnt it with their mother , the children spend most of their time learning from...Its just a bit ..ok a lot confusing...I do not fully comprehend the logic behind it...
But anyway, I guess inter religion marriages place less importance on religion and their priorities lie somewhere else....so for them whatever suits them !!
More or less like an example that so many of the muslims would be drinking alcohol...but when offered porky :)...they r like ..Astagfurrallah...wat are you SAYING...Thats HARAM!!!!...watever suits:)
before you get too lost trying to find answers, you have already answered one question
it is NOT in quran as was claimed by daw-i-dil (issi liye lkehtay hain jab bat patah na ho toh bolaay mateeee)
I am very familiar with the hadeeth you are referring to, and while it is translated as that women should not talk to na merham men in an enticing voice and should use a stern tone. That is VERY different than Not being polite.
Maybe to some people the difference is not clear but the hadeeth does not tell anyone to be Impolite.
If you are not being polite you are being impolite..what does being impolite mean..? synonyms of impolite are..
Mabrook..maybe this is what you were looking for. although this is Quran and not hadeeth. Lajawa posted it without much context and I have posted it from an islamic website with some interpretations.. not mine, but those of teh scholars answering the question there..
Allaah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):
“O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women. If you keep your duty (to Allaah), then be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy, or evil desire for adultery) should be moved with desire, but speak in an honourable manner”
[al-Ahzaab 33:32] *
so, dont speak in an alluring manner, dont soften your voice, speak in an honourable manner.
sure, matter of fact tone is fine, but when someone says that quran says women are not allowed to be polite than teh person writing this is doing it either out of ignorance or on purpose making untrue statements.
That was my point.
here is the post I questioned
People start throwing statements without understanding what they are saying, and then they attribute it to Quran.
Now there is a very big difference in talking with a stern/stiff voice, or rather in a voice in order to not entice someone, versus not being polite.
so when you dig up that hadeeth, please do post it here, because I am certain that it says nothing about being rude/impolite. I would be very curious to see the source of your knowledge that can not differentiate between being stern and being impolite....
You know wat i don't think in current situation so much is possible n islam is not that hard.Try talk to ur boss in a stern voice n see wat happens next?Its just not try to impress the opposite sex.but rather b reserved n keep conversation to the point.
Not like in movies that boy n gal hugging,laughing,going out on lunch/dinner n the gal saying at the end"what made u ever think i was in love with you?we r just goood friends"
well i can giv u one personal eg of being polite ...my husband usually works away from home.so there was a guy that was our friend's friend n pakistani too.he sometimes came to house to fix my dish in his absence but i wasn't totally alone.my kids used to b home.now i just tried to b nice asking for water/juice etc. n he got this very wrong idea.so now if i had to call someone to fix or repair i try to b more reserved.however with my husband's close friends i still ask for juice/tea but still in a formal tone.
as I said much gets lost in translation and lakeer kay faqeer just cant walk away. You should not make your voice alluring, or soft..etc etc.
how is that equal to being impolite?
and as far as my boss and i go, we can go rounds telling each other off if we disagree on some issue or approach, as long as it is done politely and professionally. (even in a stern voice)
so da-i-dil says something that is not in quran..basically comes up with some cooked up interpretation’
you claim its not in quran…but in hadeeth
lajawab posts the suraah, w/o context, but with a wink
I Posted surah, with some context, from an islamic site with a scholar’s interpretation and it goes counter to what you three gentlemen have said here.
Nowhere does it say that women are not allowed to be polite, as was so blatantly declared by dawa-i-dil and attributed to the Quran.
Quran..or hadeeth, does not tell women to be impolite or rude to namehram men when interacting with them.
^^ no not impolite.
but then how much we live to islamic standard? I sometimes hav to shake hands with white males.even in pak all my in-laws like to shake hands n when i tried to tell one politely i didn't like it they started the argue i'm ur brother blah blah.....from wat i remember the hadith was to make ur voice rough. not to b rude or impolite.
I was hoping she would stick around until 12th floor.
