Re: Interfaith Dialogue (Scriptures) - Islam and Christianity
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- Scientifically suspect:
2.1 Surah 5:60 where people were transformed into apes and swine is not acceptable scientifically.
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This is the punishment by Allaah to the son of israel for takig the day of Sabbath lightly and were killed after 3 days, well this is not hing do with scientific this falls in the ambiguous slot as this is miraculous.
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2.2 The story of the Companions of the Cave (Surah 18:9-25) is hard to accept. Can be made off as miracle though....
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This is again miraculous so i quote the same as above and if you read the complete context Allaah is mentioned that in there sleep they never slept on one side which from Scientific point of view would be a calamity for 309 years and this si proven from science today.
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2.3 Scientifically Surah 18:86 where the sun set in a spring of murky water is incorrect.
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**YUSUFALI:* Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness*."
Now this is the quote, here Allaah is telling it appeared to Zul qarnain, the sun is setting in murky water.
Scientifically to tell you can the sun set or can the sun rise these are terms. Well, forget about that Disaster was a word used for evil star during the Greek time but the word has evolved. Its a clear cut mis understanding from your part that it is unscientic here it clearly says it appeared to Zulqarnain, wel this query is answered in the link above.
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2.4 It is frequently stated that the Qur’an is scientifically correct. According to Surah 18:47 the earth will be a “level stretch” (flat?) when the mountains are removed.
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It is explained by armughal, and explained really well. Again u misunderstand you havent taken the complete verse
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**YUSUFALI:* One Day We shall remove the mountains, and thou wilt see the earth as a level stretch, and We shall gather them, all together, nor shall We leave out any one of them.*
Read it again and how it contradicts, well now this is your research this talks about the Judgement day that Allaah will destroy all the mountains and earth level as stretch fine that is remove the mountains means that if you remove the thorns from porcupines its levelled now this is just an eg. any kid would understand this.
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2.5 The story of the Gog and Magog (Surah 18:94-99) is like a fairy tale and unscientifical.
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Well what fairy tale about it, well if you have found some stuff from mideast send the link across to me, i want to read the map. Since you have accused always get the evidence along side with you.
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2.6 Surah 38:36 w.r.t. Solomon and his command over the wind is surely unscientific. Can be made off as miracles though....
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If moses can part the sea, Jesus can give life to death now, now is this amazing common how can this be unscientific well its fall in the ambiguous slot and thats miracle.
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2.7 How can there exist scientifically two Easts and two Wests as per Surah 55:17?
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Now this is a stunner to everyone but here Allaah says in the Quran that is for both seen and unseen the scientist have proven this.Seen is well the Sunrise from east and west and unseen is
Today, the astronomers with their modern technologies and electronic gadgets know that the solar nebula is like a spinning disk. So are the galaxies and the observable universe.
Hence, the entire expanding universe also has its East and the West. We may call them the Outer Space East and the Outer Space West. The verse therefore acknowledges that Allah is not only the Rabb of everything that is upon this globe called the earth but also of what the astronomers can and can not observe today, with their most sophisticated electronic instruments. He is the Lord of the known and the un-known worlds
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2.8 What Barrier as stated in Surah 55:19-20 exist between the two bodies of flowing water (salt and fresh as per other Surah’s?)?
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055.019YUSUFALI:* He has let free the two bodies of flowing water, meeting together: *
055.020YUSUFALI:* Between them is a Barrier which they do not transgress: *
Modern Science has discovered that in the places where two different seas meet, there is a barrier between them. This barrier divides the two seas so that each sea has its own temperature, salinity and density(Principles of Oceanography, Davis) Oceanologists are now in a better position to explain
this verse.
There is a slanted unseen water barrier between the two seas through which water from one sea passes to the other. But when the water from one sea enters the other sea, it loses its distinctive characteristic and becomes homogenized with the other water. In a way this barrier serves as a transitional homogenizing area for the two waters.
This phenomenon is also mentioned in the following verse of the Qur'an:
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*YUSUFALI: Or, Who has made the earth firm to live in; made rivers in its midst; set thereon mountains immovable; and made a separating bar between the two bodies of flowing water? (can there be another) god besides Allah? Nay, most of them know not.
This phenomenon occurs in several places, including the divider between the Mediterranean and the Atlantic Ocean at Gibralter. A white bar can also be clearly seen at Cape Point, Cape Peninsula, South Africa where the Atlantic Ocean meets the Indian Ocean.
But when the Qur’an speaks about the divider between fresh and salt water, it mentions the existence of “a forbidding partition” with the barrier.
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*YUSUFALI: It is He Who has let free the two bodies of flowing water: One palatable and sweet, and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed.
There is more to write, i have doen my own research on this topic of the Quran.
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- History and suspect facts:
6.1 The Qur’an teaches various historical occurrences different as portrayed in the Bible. With the Bible being the older of the two, written closer to the dates and various writers teaching the same in different books over many years, I have to conclude that one can only accept by faith the history as per the Qur’an and not by reason.
6.2 Surah 4:157-159 is in clear contradiction to what the whole New Testament teach w.r.t. Jesus’ death. Even other historical non-Christian manuscripts by renowned historians allude to the incident, such as Josephus and other Roman literature. Christians have to assume that the Qur’an is wrong as per references from the time.
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Explained by armughal, well they are so many more books then the books who have told Jesus was not crucified by the christians itself sir, i dont wont to mention the names.
Just because you find Bible, contradicting with the Quran that doesnt mean bible is right and Quran is wrong we have to get the third source from outside, if you have one provide me with the link(i will think about reading it) of an authentic source not Islam bashing website.:)
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6.3 I doubt highly if coats of chain mail was known in the days of David and Solomon as per Surah 21:80 and 34:11.
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Well Allaah did teach them mining and I believe in it period, probably that practise was left unfinished again your source above i dont go to the links, now this seems childish right but i have just followed you.
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6.4 The “unlettered Prophet” (meaning the prophet Muhammad) is not mentioned in the Law or Gospels as per Surah 7:157.
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Note this is from King James version, well this is a shocker, i wonder how come you just pick topics which christian missionaries ask when they are in a dialogue.** I wonder how, well i have seen lots of debates even before accepting Islam as faith**
Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."
Now you say and Christians. that this prophecy refers to Jesus (pbuh) because Jesus (pbuh) was like Moses (pbuh). Moses (pbuh) was a Jew, as well as Jesus (pbuh) was a Jew. Moses (pbuh) was a Prophet and Jesus (pbuh) was also a Prophet.
If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after Moses (pbuh) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. (pbut) will fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets.However, it is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who is like Moses (pbuh):
Now read for a stunner and a logical answer
i) Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus (pbuh) was born miraculously without any male intervention.
[Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Al-Qur'an 3:42-47]
ii) Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not marry nor had children.
iii) Both died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh) has been raised up alive. (4:157-158)
Muhammad (pbuh) is from among the brethren of Moses (pbuh). Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham (pbuh) had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac (pbut). The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail (pbuh) and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac (pbuh).
Words in the mouth:
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was unlettered and whatever revelations he received from Almighty God he repeated them verbatim.
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."
[Deuteronomy 18:18]
iv) Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said, "My kingdom is not of this world." (John 18:36).
v) Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, "He came unto his own, but his own received him not."
iv) Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18).
I refrain from putting more stuff, since I want you to digest this first.
