I would like to remain with the present item but change the focus slightly. Let’s discuss the way Islam see and experience God Almighty as defined by what the prophet Muhammad taught and according to the Holy Quraan. The way this discussion has progressed is so much better than the normal mudslinging that occurs that I am sure a number of Guppies (and I) will enjoy also learning more of the way Islam portrays God and the interaction with us His creations.
Please elaborate on the following points by using the Quraan where possible:
Are there any mention of issues/aspects of God/Allaah outside the universe and it’s events that we know?
What is Allaah’s relationship with mankind presently?
Does Allaah have a name other than “Allaah”?
According to what already was posted, I gather that Allaah, according to Islam, can’t be experienced by our sensory organs (eye, nose, touch, ear, taste)?
Can and does Allaah communicate directly with humans past and present?
The Bible states that Allaah is spirit. How is Allaah perceived according to the Quraan?
Can Allaah “change” His mind or plan of action?
Is it possible for Allaah to have emotions such as jealousy, hate, anger, love, etc.?
Will/can Allaah interfere with the universe’s scientific laws on request by a follower?
Does Allaah answer prayer?
What is Allaah’s feeling towards someone that does not know Him or live for Him (unsaved)?
Please elaborate on the following points by using the Quraan where possible:
Are there any mention of issues/aspects of God/Allaah outside the universe and it's events that we know?
What is Allaah's relationship with mankind presently?
Does Allaah have a name other than "Allaah"?
According to what already was posted, I gather that Allaah, according to Islam, can't be experienced by our sensory organs (eye, nose, touch, ear, taste)?
Can and does Allaah communicate directly with humans past and present?
The Bible states that Allaah is spirit. How is Allaah perceived according to the Quraan?
Can Allaah "change" His mind or plan of action?
Is it possible for Allaah to have emotions such as jealousy, hate, anger, love, etc.?
Will/can Allaah interfere with the universe's scientific laws on request by a follower?
Does Allaah answer prayer?
What is Allaah's feeling towards someone that does not know Him or live for Him (unsaved)?
Where is the abode of Allaah?
Absolutely not a problem. Do you want to discuss all the questions together or would you like to start off with the first one.
Paul write that all things were created by God and for God. - Col.1v16.
I believe (not Christianity) that God created the material universe with all it’s laws as a work of art. He created the living beings (material with a soul) in order to inhabit the universe. He created man (living souls) as the cherry on top in order to communicate with and be worshipped by. We were created “for His joy”.
There are a few theologians that state that mankind was created to replace Satan and his rebellious angels in the purpose of God’s universe. According to them Gabriel and a third of the angels were the workers/servants, Michael and a third of the angels were for protection/security, and Lucifer/Satan and a third of the angels were for art/worship. Man will be used to fulfill the part Lucifer and his angels had done and that’s why Satan hates mankind so much. It is but a mere theory, though.
Quran 51:56 I created the jinn and humankind only that they might worship Me.
jinn and man were created for worshipping Allah....
the Quran also states that when Allah told the angels that He is going to create man, they said: Quran 2:30 And when thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I am about to place a viceroy in the earth, they said: Wilt thou place therein one who will do harm therein and will shed blood, **while we, we hymn Thy praise and sanctify Thee?* He said: Surely I know that which ye know not.*
which shows that the angels too served the purpose of worship....
then why jinn and man????
well, this is where Islam tells that angels have no free will, they merely do what Allah orders them to do, and have no choice to rebel or disobey (also Islam does not believe Satan to be an angel, but one of the jinn)....
jinn were created before man, but due to their disobedience, they caused havoc on earth....
so Allah decided to replace them with mankind....
jinn, of who Satan was a part, lost their position and man was appointed as Allah's viceroy on earth....
this is what caused Satan to be jealous of Adam (as)....
Allah's reply to the angels on their curiosity over creation of Adam (as) that "I know what you dont know" is where scholars differ on why exactly man was created after jinn were already there as a free-will creation to obey/disobey Allah....
one theory is that jinn were created and let to do whatever they wished, but they chose evil (most of them) and hence were greatly misled....
but when Allah created man, He sought to keep sending reminders throught the prophets and messengers, so that they would not be as disobedient as the jinn before them had been....
Then how did Christian theologians come up with the doctrine that the Messiah will be God, whereas Jesus was a jew and did not come to change the jewish belief, which according to you does not say this in certainty.
Deut.18v18 is a promise of the coming of Jesus/Messiah. Peter stated that this prophecy was fulfilled by Jesus - Act.3v22.
I disagree, it is a prophecy but more than just about Jesus:
ISA.20:2-3
*2 at that time Jehovah spake by Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, Go, and loose the sackcloth from off thy loins, and put thy shoe from off thy foot. And he did so, walking naked and barefoot. *
*3 And Jehovah said, Like as my servant Isaiah hath walked naked and barefoot three years for a sign and a wonder concerning Egypt and concerning Ethiopia; *
If you start reading from the begining it is a prophecy though people interpret it differently. What does it prophesize then?
If Deu.18:18 is the prophecy of coming of Jesus then why does it prophesize the coming of a prophet like unto Moses:
Deu.18:8 I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
*Acts.3:22 Moses indeed said, A prophet shall the Lord God raise up unto you from among your brethren, like unto me. To him shall ye hearken in all things whatsoever he shall speak unto you. *
Again, the prophecy speaks of a prophet not Son of God. Bretheren is also not meant to be the Children of Israel, where Jesus came from.
Good point however that was not what I meant. The verse also drew a similitude of worship between Jesus PBUH and Isaiah. Worship here is not likened to worshipping God but following Gods commandments, which is why the latter verse states "... teaching as their doctrines the precepts of men.". To me this means they replace the commandments of God by man-made laws.
Let me propagate the confusion here if you look at this from the perspective of Trinity. Obviously God was triune in nature before the birth of Jesus PBUH. If you agree God was triune before this event happened then explain to me according to Trinity the Son of God can also be the father of God if they are all one. So was Jesus PBUH the begotten Son of God or the begotten Son of the Holy Spirit.
[quote=The Old Man]
Interesting to note who/what the angel Gabriel said the baby would be according to Luk.1v35: So the **holy one* to be born will be called the Son of God***. :)
Why not the Son of the Holy Spirit? If yes, then Holy spirit and God are just two names used for the same God and not really part of a Trinity. If the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one then the Son of God can also be the Son of the Son of God by logical definition and explanation of Trinity with really does it leave triune anymore.
I always maintain that if a doctrine is dificult to explain (you can't explain it to a little child) then the doctrine is faulty.
Have you ever been able to convince a child that 3 means 1 and 1 means 3. I child can easily grasp one means 1 only. If the bible were so clear there should be no confusion as in Islam it is crystal about the oneness of God and you cannot find even a common muslim leave a thelogian who will be confused about it.
Jesus never preached Trinity nor did any prophet before him, this is something you cannot establish with certainty from the Bible, Torah or Quran. In fact Jews were monotheistic as muslims are. In fact Jesus mostly refered to himself as Son of Man and never called himself God, so the founder (as you may say) of each creed never talked about Trinity but always as God as being distinct.
So unity of purpose however in the first verse I find it strange when I compare against the verses in John 1, where John the Baptist would baptize but not in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Spirit though he knew about them according to the verses. It is intersting to read where it states its was only God in the beginning but no mention of Trinity. And then John was sent to as a witness to the light (the Light being God), he was sent as a prophet. Let me share an excerpt from John 1:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. **
*2 The same was in the beginning with God. *
*3 All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made. *
*4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. *
*5 And the light shineth in the darkness; and the darkness apprehended it not. *
*6 There came a man, sent from God, whose name was John. *
*7 The same came for witness, that he might bear witness of the light, that all might believe through him. *
*8 He was not the light, but came that he might bear witness of the light. *
*9 There was the true light, even the light which lighteth every man, coming into the world. *
*10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, and the world knew him not. *
*11 He came unto his own, and they that were his own received him not. *
*12 But as many as received him, to them gave he the right to become children of God, even to them that believe on his name: *
*13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. *14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth.**
If you pat special attention to 12, those who accepted the light or God became the Children of God (Sons of God as well). Then the word became flesh, what does that mean. To me if I read it in context it implies the knowledge about God and his commandments with humans is what is meant by "Word became Flesh". There is no mention of Holy Spirit either.**
Are there any mention of issues/aspects of God/Allaah outside the universe and it's events that we know? I would say No. Do you know anything other than this universe.
What is Allaah's relationship with mankind presently? Creator and creation.
Does Allaah have a name other than "Allaah"? Allah is the name in arabic. Allah has attributes.
According to what already was posted, I gather that Allaah, according to Islam, can't be experienced by our sensory organs (eye, nose, touch, ear, taste)? Not experienced (this is broad though) but can be comprehended.
Can and does Allaah communicate directly with humans past and present? What means do you regard as direct. Until I know that I would say Yes and No.
The Bible states that Allaah is spirit. How is Allaah perceived according to the Quraan? Through the attributes he has made known to us.
Can Allaah "change" His mind or plan of action? I do not know. Please cite a counterpart example from Christianity, that might help me understand what you mean.
Is it possible for Allaah to have emotions such as jealousy, hate, anger, love, etc.? Relatively yes.
Will/can Allaah interfere with the universe's scientific laws on request by a follower? I do not know. But his mercy prevails over his wrath. The outcome in my mind should be sibject to that.
Does Allaah answer prayer? Yes and No.
What is Allaah's feeling towards someone that does not know Him or live for Him (unsaved)? My understanding is his mercy prevails over his wrath for those who do not willfully disobey him. His judgement is based on proof.
Where is the abode of Allaah? Above the heavens is the best we know.
He is therefor still creating? The question is relative to the present tense.
What does Allaah mean?
According to the Quraan, can Allaah make contact with humans without using a third part such as angels, so that they can perceive Him with their senses?
What are these attributes?
2King.20v1-5 In those days Hezekiah became ill and was at the point of death. The prophet Isaiah son of Amoz went to him and said, “This is what the Lord says: Put your house in order, because you will die; you will not recover.” Hezekiah turned his face to the wall and prayed to the Lord, “Remember, O Lord, how I have walked before you faithfully and with wholehearted devotion and have done what is good in your eyes.” And Hezekiah wept bitterly. Before Isaiah had left the middle court, the word of the Lord came to him: "Go back and tell Hezekiah, the leader of my people, “This is what the Lort, the God of your father Davis, says: I have heard your prayer and seen your tears; I will heal you…I will add fifteen years to your life.”
Please elaborate using the Quraan.
It does seem to me that on many of these questions that you are not certain. Is it because the Quraan is net specific about it or because you lack the knowledge? (Not trying to be rude!)
Gives examples from the Quraan please.
Accidental sin will not be held against one? What proof?
Where is that? Is it a place in this physical universe?
According to my post some Jews also hold that the Messiah will in some way BE God or at least God’s humanly representation on Earth. Christians follow that thought because of further elaboration by Jesus himself.
Has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus or any other human being. It clearly is part of various prophecies from Isa.15 till 21 against NATIONS. Any other interpretion is in error.
I can theorize with you on this but why should I? The Apostle Peter clearly consider it to point to Jesus and do not mention anyone else. The person who wants to argue the point must convince me first that he has better knowledge than Peter who was personally taught by Jesus.
The verse clearly state “the Holy Spirit” not God Almighty (incorporating the Son). The main point you have to concede is that Gabriel can’t be the Holy Spirit as per my argument.
Yes
The baptising John did was for repentance only. Jesus taught more than that as he explained to Nicodemus. Pesons baptised by John were later re-baptised. Act.19v4-5.
yes, as Quran tells us, Solomon (as) even had jinn working for him…
Quran 34:12-13
*And to Solomon (We made) the Wind (obedient): Its early morning (stride) was a month’s (journey), and its evening (stride) was a month’s (journey); and We made a Font of molten brass to flow for him; and there were Jinns that worked in front of him, by the leave of his Lord, and if any of them turned aside from our command, We made him taste of the Penalty of the Blazing Fire. They made for him what he willed: synagogues and statues, basins like wells and boilers built into the ground. Give thanks, O House of David! Few of My bondmen are thankful. *
^ yes, the locals knew about it....
and i put the verses to show u that even Solomon (as) had power over jinns who worked for him....
so surely he had knowledge of them....
First I wanna tell USR, i want to answer these questions he can go ahead if USR wants to.
Where did USR ever mention the present tense, well he just mentioned Creator and Creation. Creation is earth, heavens, oceans and millions of other creatures.
Well in French it is Dieu, and you will wonder that a Arabic Bible the first page its written 17 times as Allaah.
We have mentioned the story of Moses pbuh he wanted to see Allaah and it wasnt possible, the light of Allaah made him unconscius for 40 days. Well, Allaah is all hearer, Allaah encompasses all knowledge. Allaah can hear the footstepp of an ant, Allaah can hear the leaf falling.
Yes Allaah can be perceived with the senses but we have got to have Faith or its called as Ihsan. If not think that Allaah is watching over us.
They are 99 attributes of Allaah or the Beautiful Names of Allaah. For you reference you can read the 4 verses below
002.255YUSUFALI: Allah! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep 059.022YUSUFALI: Allah is He, than Whom there is no other god;- Who knows (all things) both secret and open; He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. 059.023YUSUFALI: Allah is He, than Whom there is no other god;- the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Source of Peace (and Perfection), the Guardian of Faith, the Preserver of Safety, the Exalted in Might, the Irresistible, the Supreme: Glory to Allah! (High is He) above the partners they attribute to Him. 059.024YUSUFALI: He is Allah, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Forms (or Colours). To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory: and He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.
Well if its a Prophet or a Messenger this prophecizing is possible, coz the Unseen is only an attribute of Allaah if says it then its true. Coz i told if any human asks for forgiveness Allaah is all hearer and with the will of Allaah can be forgiven if its sincere.
This point can be handled by USR too.
Well I cant talk about Jealousy I have my own doubts in it like i have aforementioned the other 3 love, hate and anger are amongst the attributes of Allaah IslamiCity - The Global Muslim eCommunity.
Click on the above link you will have your answers about Your God and My God and the God of the entire universe.
Click on the link just above this reply. For 99 names of Allaah.
Let me tell you Allaah answers everyones Prayers yours, mine and everyones. Well duaa means supplications or prayers. Click the link below, following i have provided the a jist for you. I would have put the same stuff here, but makes the entire post not befitting to read. http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=5113&ln=eng&txt=Does%20Allaah%20answer%20prayer
Sincerity in making du’aa’. This is the most important condition. Allaah has commanded us to be sincere when making du’aa’, as He says (interpretation of the meaning): “So, call you (O Muhammad and the believers) upon (or invoke) Allaah making (your) worship pure for Him (Alone) (by worshipping none but Him and by doing religious deeds sincerely for Allaah’s sake only and not to show off and not to set up rivals with Him in worship)” [Ghaafir 40:14].
Its provided in the article above this reply.
Well as a Christian you ask this questions it literally makes me think we believe in the same God as you believe the Lord who created this world and since the first question till the last your knowledge about Allaah is not known to you sorry to tell you but this is the truth.
Well what you define as universe is the criteria to be mentioned here. The human knowledge is limited and for sure we cant define the physical universe.
Well if you want to know the references from the Quran regarding the Above the heavens then see the Surahs as mentiones below.
Surah 2:255, Surah 20:5, Surah 13:02.
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SlaveofAllaah, I would appreciate it if questions were answered in your own words, the same as I do. Otherwise this dialogue/discussion will revert into a lot of cut-end-paste.
My question centered on the word “presently”. USR’s reply made me think he meant that Allaah is presently still man’s Creator and his reference made me ask whether he believes God is still busy with creating. I would like to know if God has any interaction with Earth and it’s occupants now.
With which senses can a human sense God/Allaah?
Let me go back to the original question: Is Allaah a spirit being? If not, what form does Allaah take?
You haven’t answered the question: “Can Allaah “change” His mind or plan of action?”
Please site from the Quraan what emotions Allaah exhibited. Why not jealousy?
I can therefor ask Allaah for a miracle and receive one?
I am sorry but don’t understand you here…
Why not. We can define all we can sense presently, can’t we?
I am not doing a lot of cut and past, i write down, most of its on my own. But I cant paste all the Quranic verses mentioning the attributes of Allaah, or 99 names of Allaah.
Well Old Man, please do understand Allaah is the name in Arabic its the God christians believe I feel it would be futile if you cant understand this piece of information.
The links I have provided to you answer you complete rebuttal.
About Allaah its attributes I accentuate again Allaah is the God in Arabic. The Jews, Christians even till date who speak Arabic tell Allaah. I live in UAE I have met lots of christian Arabs its Allaah for them.
About cut and paste none of articles provided hinder away from topic. I have provided with reference, that give insight to more authenticity. If we want to write, anything i can mention lots of other things but I always believe in authenticity. It doesnt seems so you have read any of the links. Coz in the next post you have repeated your questions and you going round circles.
I never questioned the fact! I just wanted to know whether there are another specific Name rather than a name meaning “God”.
I communicate with the people here. I don’t have the time to wade through various links on the net in order to get answers. If I want to do a search, I will do it. Rather than a link, please summarize and then give the link. If you don’t summarize, I assume you yourself did not read the link.
I am communicating with people on Gupshup and not various so-called authorities. I DON’T READ LINKS FOR AN ANSWER. Rather say you do not know, maybe someone else can help, I won’t think less of you… I don’t know all about Christianity or the Bible.