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Unless we are perfect example of muslims.
We should not believe in Allah...believing in him cause me pain. Its hard to do every day life with him in your mind.
Its not wise to let temptations go thinking of him. hmmm
Lets just take driving seat and alter stuff.
Janwer here is my take on Hinduism.
At one point it was word of God. In geeta they have some what same entities what we have in Quran/bible etc.
Only thing is; geeta suffered from Indian factor. Which mean over time of couple thousand years, Indians turned angles and entities in gods. I do understand that our religion is only true to us.Other wise every one would be Muslim. Other ppl have same magical concepts too. To me religion could be most ridiculous thing and ppl will still die for it.
How ever in this thread I was making a point which is:
1-young Indians atheist can be driven from other factors then pure logic.
2-We cant win an argument unless they say what they STAND FOR!!! What they PROTECT.
3- We argue being dumbA$$ Muslims, they change positions at the speed of light.(They are no one(Christians/Jews/even-Hindus or even atheists)) YET they are every one when they want to take a shot on believer.
4-They put words against words. Just to win argument.(try to remember one paki who does that)
5-most of us are pure retards doing useless religious discussion.(not you I swear)
4-They put words against words.
as usual, i feel most of your post is incoherent, and random memememe insecurities that make sense only to you. but the bit i have quoted is a recurring complaint in your posts about me. can you explain how else would you debate a point if not with words against words? some kind of break dance contest? this is how civilized people discuss things they disagree on.
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Queer, if you want to know some thing from me, ask!
Ask in polite manner make me feel you are willing to learn some Idea, which is in my head at this point.(good or bad)
And make me feel that you want to pay my idea enough attention. And with all your honesty, you will consider it honestly.
AND if you like it you will adopt it!!!
OR AT LEAST YOU WONT BRING IT UP EVERY DAYS.
Thank you.
You know what make me like my self when I look at you? I am always willing to look into ppl's head.
With an open mind, mind so open that I am ready for what I see inside may knock me off my feet.
I have 0% ego around my learning process. Alhamdullilah!!!!
I can hate any one with all my guts BUT still admire/learn-from them.
And I ,some what, do like you so here is an advice. You don't need to learn, you need to unlearn certain things.
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once again, no answer to the question i asked. just another bright red tantrum and assorted incoherent whining.
i'll ask once more, what is your issue with "words against words"?
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For a religious person the idea of atheism is perplexing and for an atheist person, religion has no relevance to their life. As many people have reiterated, personal belief is essentially subject to personal choice. We can't impose our opinions upon others.
It is for an individual to do decide how they lead their lives and whether they deem it necessary for a religious influence to have a role within their lives.
Morality, manners and intention do not need to have a religious basis. Yes, they may be present in religious values and beliefs but atheists can be moral, well mannered and lead a good life without religion. None of us can guarantee we will go to heaven or janaah. No one has guaranteed us this on an individual basis. How do we know that an atheist, who is a good person does not get a chance to go to heaven, if that is the sum of our existence? All we can do is attempt to lead a good life. Our decisions are due to own on personal choice.
Forced conversion is wrong. Abusing religion to fulfil one's own needs is wrong. Following religion blindly can have more negative impact than being atheist.
For those of us who are Muslims, does Islam not encourage peace? Does it not teach us tolerance and the importance of it. Love of humanity and all of God's creatures. Are atheists not people? Are people of other religions not human?
Live and let live. When we go to our graves we are not accountable for others actions. Let's work on bettering ourselves and getting our own backyards in order before we go around attempting to re arrange other peoples backyards.
They just don't blv in anything supernatural.. so it can't be called a 'disease', that's being extreme. .
So you don't believe when Allah says in Quran that people who have doubts and disbelief regarding His signs have disease in their heart????
You call it an extreme?
Btw, keep this in mind that there's no way Atheists can prove that there's no Supreme Being.
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there is no way anyone can prove there's no Papalulu either. doesn't mean we all should believe in Papalulu. the burden of proof is not on the disbelievers side. if you choose to believe in something that you can not prove, that is fine but it is not fair to expect others to take the same leap of faith.
there is no way anyone can prove there's no Papalulu either. doesn't mean we all should believe in Papalulu. the burden of proof is not on the disbelievers side. if you choose to believe in something that you can not prove, that is fine but it is not fair to expect others to take the same leap of faith.
Do you believe that there is no God? Why?
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for the same reasons i believe there is no Papalulu.
changing "not believe" to "believe in no" is not changing the scenario.
for the same reasons i believe there is no Papalulu.
changing "not believe" to "believe in no" is not changing the scenario.
And what is that "same" reason for not believing in God, please explain?
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because it is just fiction. like santa claus.
im not here to prove your belief is wrong. i dont care what you believe in to be honest. just don't tell me what to believe in either.
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snow plz convince him.
because it is just fiction. like santa claus.
im not here to prove your belief is wrong. i dont care what you believe in to be honest. just don't tell me what to believe in either.
Very well.
I'm not offended to hear that God is a fiction because I know He is exist, I think you should show the same level of tolerance when we say "people who call God a fiction have a disease in their hearts".
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snowdrop, that is not a fair comparison. the equivalent would be if atheists said "people who believe in God have a disease in their hearts."
if you are fine with seeing such comments thrown your way, by all means make them. the trouble most religious people that get offended is with not being able to stomach what they themselves generously dish out. you are free to pass judgment on yourself - your heart, your diseases. leave judgments on others and their purity of heart etc. to them.
^ I was going to say this.. as well as Islam also teaches us to be tolerant and respectful towards other religions and beliefs.
If the previous posters have quoted from Surah Baqarah then here's 3 lines preceeding the one ONLY being quoted:
-Of the people there are some who say: "We believe in Allah and the Last Day;" but they do not (really) believe.
Fain would they deceive Allah and those who believe, but they only deceive themselves, and realise (it) not!
In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease: And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves).
There's another verse in the Quran that says: "To you be your religion to me be mine"
"There is no compusion in religion" (Quran 2: 256)
snowdrop, that is not a fair comparison. the equivalent would be if atheists said "people who believe in God have a disease in their hearts."
if you are fine with seeing such comments thrown your way, by all means make them. the trouble most religious people that get offended is with not being able to stomach what they themselves generously dish out. you are free to pass judgment on yourself - your heart, your diseases. leave judgments on others and their purity of heart etc. to them.
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First of all, we are not making any judgements from ourselves nor we're using our logic and rationale for this statement about a disease in disbeliever's heart, those words are God's words who is the Knower of the hearts.
And second of all, if you believe that this is the case with people who believe in God then that's fine but we have proof for what we say. Have you got any written proof for what you say? (written as in scientific)
^ I was going to say this.. as well as Islam also teaches us to be tolerant and respectful towards other religions and beliefs.
If the previous posters have quoted from Surah Baqarah then here's 3 lines preceeding the one ONLY being quoted:
-Of the people there are some who say: "We believe in Allah and the Last Day;" but they do not (really) believe.
Fain would they deceive Allah and those who believe, but they only deceive themselves, and realise (it) not!
In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease: And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves).
There's another verse in the Quran that says: "To you be your religion to me be mine"
"There is no compusion in religion" (Quran 2: 256)
Gina~
Hareem01 quoted from Surah Tawbah where the ayahs talk about agnostics. You're quoting from Surah Baqarah where ayat talk about hypocrites.
Ayah 256 means that we should not force anyone to become muslim, I think no one is forcing you or queer to become muslim. If you feel that you're being forced then feel free to point out.
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look, OP is saying dont be smart.
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The problem with most people is that they don't apply to themselves what they apply to others.
Why are we so myopic? Take a step back and look at the wider perspective rather than assuming that your relative position is the absolute.