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I dont have much to say except that alot of times women dont realise how men think. There are several times when my husband has asked me not to wear a bright colored abaya or refrain from doing such and such, and all those times i didnt realise that even that could be attractive to a guy but he says that i dont think like a man does and how they can undress a woman with their eyes.
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a chaste and decent woman or a man must be able to TURN such a stare into shame.
how do you do it. is something very clear to the one who needs corrective action.
best,
Dushwari
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can you maybe change the title, you moron
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I personally don't understand the concept of "Men can undress women with their eyes" if women have covered themselves properly (not with tight clothers). Some people might take this concept in a difference sense, i.e. Women may not dress properly / completely, because men would undress them anyway with their eyes so what is the use of covering the private areas.
Men (with immoral intentions) can have something to look at, only in two conditions;
If women are wearing very tight clothes i.e. their dress gives an "idea" of the shape of the places which should be hidden completely.
The places which should be completely covered are not completely covered but half covered or covered with transparent (to some extent) clothes, which might be **teasing **for those men with immoral intentions.
Men should not look at women, but women can't control their gaze, what women can control is that they don't give men anything "exciting" to look at.
Example:
Prepare a cake, put a lot of colour and sweet smell to it to make it very tasty looking and attractive, and then pass through a street where hungry beggers are siting. And expect them to not look at the cake with hungry eyes ?!?!
Now pass again through the same street by half covering that cake in a teasing way, so it may add to the curiosity of the beggers of how the whole cake might look like / taste like.
Now pass again through the same street by completely covering it so that the beggers have absolutely no idea how the cake looks like, shapes like and to some extent smells like. Even if they still stare they wont get any pleasure / excitement out of it, because it is "Completely covered".
As I mentioned before, the bees would always come back to the flowers with more "sweet smell" and "colours", no matter how many times you push them away because it is in their nature to be attracted by it.
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When I reconsider my posts I understand that at times I might have been a bit harsh in emphasizing more on what a woman should do, rather than what a man should do in "such situations", but unfortunately in the topic under discussion, due to poor law enforcement or society moral values, mostly women can easily become a (long lasting) victom if they don't take enough care and men can easily get away (temporarily) with their sins (in this life). It shouldn't be like that but this is the way it works.
You see mostly we ourselves are also (fully or partly) responsible for the (good and bad) circumstances we face in our life. Nature has its ways of punishing both the genders.
Though the following might be a bit off topic, but need to be mentioned to elaborate the above mentioned point.
Example.
Punishment for Women
In one of the crime report, a woman who thought that it was ok for her to walk alone in revealing dress where ever she wanted, became a victom of a person who used to watch people passing by but couldn't ignore her because of the way she used to dress every time she passed by that place.
Punishment for Men
When a man was informed that his daughter has ran away with a stranger male (without informing her family members), he replied, " I have been punished by the nature. In my youth once I also persuaded a girl of a respected family to run away with me without informing her family members.
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A woman is not a cake. no matter how much she eats it. 
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Can't these same concerns apply to men?
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^ 
yaar you know that Br. STP was using that as an example… point is we are precious, and hence need to handle ourselves with extra care 
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Damn those cakes look too good. besharam double chocolate cakes with whipped cream... homer-simpson-wala-drooling-noise
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^ wohi tou na… aggar dukaan ki kirhki mein na hota then it’d be easier to resist them na
oh… youv’e made me crave cakes now! I want a chocolate one too! but no whipped cream thanks!
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college ki cafeteria mein yaar... :(
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^ be a pakistani aur strike karwa dou 
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^ :D
Can't these same concerns apply to men?
Well, they might be in some cases, but wouldn't be much of a concern for people due to the following reasons: (Just my understanding, which might be wrong)
Usually women are too modest to make men victom of their gaze and use such cheap ways of achieving satanic pleasures.
Most men are least bothered about becoming a victom, (because of point 1) and also because they would get the least damage as compared to women.
Most women are not too desperately interested in stranger males as are a lot of men in the present age (Unfortunately), even after marriage. (in some cases)
Nature has blessed women with a beautiful treasure called "Sharm-o-haya" (Modesty) which a lot of men have very little which they lose very early in their life (unfortunately in present age). So in situations like the one mentioned above, most women have something precious to lose (which they don't want to lose) but men don't have anything to lose, so they don't care.
Besides that, no matter if you throw a knife over a watermelon or a watermelon over a knife, it is always the knife that would cause damage to the watermelon but watermelon couldn't hurt the knife. So it is better that the one who gets the (immediate) damage take the precautionary measures, because the ones who don't get damage (apparently, for a certain time in this world) would be least bothered about the consequences of their actions (Unfortunately), unless they are taught a lesson by the law / or the "Nature".
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It SO bothers me when I hear people say things about women who get visually raped are "asking for it". I dont care WHAT they wear, they are a fellow human being and to disrespect them in any way is to degrade ONES SELF and ones upbringing.
I am raising my boys to respect EVERYONE. Girls who dress immodestly are seeking attention and are to be pitied but NOT disrespected. Showing disrespect to a fellow human makes you an animal and THAT is what should be punished.
There really should be no need for Hijaab or Abaya. Not that I have disrespect for those who embrace it. But men just SHOULD NOT be allowed to think that its OK to disrespect a fellow human for WHATEVER reason and it is demeaning to women to make that an issue.
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YES, I totally agree that such women should not be disrespected, and the animals who disrespect them should be punished. But if we consider the history, the rate of RAPES have been "consistantly" rising with every single passing day since the last 50 years or so, WHY ? because the police and the government has failed to stop the rapists. Tell me a single country where women are allowed to go around in revealing dress, and the rate of rape is lower than the countries where women dress modestly.** According to the** US department of crime, in USA, with every passing second a women is RAPED, believe it or not. USA the MOST developed country of the world. Compared to that see the rape reports of Saudia Arabia or any other country where abaya is regularly practiced. Though some of them might not be reported but still the rate is by far less than USA. It is TOO difficult for the government to control EVERY animal in every street of the country, but the best way is to teach men to control their gaze, and teach women to control their dressing
Respect people for whatever they do TILL their ACTIONS start EFFECTING people who are related to you.Forgive my vulgarity, what if they don't want to dress anything (considering the way the trend has been moving towards lesser and tighter clothes for the last 50 years specially in the west). Would you still think that it is their own business. If it is their own business, who gave them the right to inject impurity in the eyes of our immature (below 18) brothers and sisters. Should we always put hands on the eyes of our little(below 10) children when anyone passes by with revealing clothes.
A woman has a right to go around with revealing dress ONLY in her OWN home, NOT in the public places, where the underaged children might see something which they are not supposed to see. You can't teach the children to "SEE and CONTROL" The more they are exposed to such things, they more they would try to satisfy their immoral desires through immoral ways. The "SEE and CONTROL" theory might work for a short time till they lose their patience. Also they can't have raddars to detect that women with revealing clothes are coming. There is always a chance to have a first glance by mistake.
Let me put it this way. If you are going out with your 12 year old daughter, and a man is walking without any clothes at all, would you not try that your daughter must not see what she is NOT supposed to see ?!?
MOST Children who are exposed to such stuff very early in their life are the ones who try to satisfy their desires through immoral ways and grow up to become "Sexually desperate" people.
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so now she’s a watermelon? 
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^ No, she is as beautiful as a flower.
the bees would always come back to the flowers with more "sweet smell" and "colours", no matter how many times you push them away because it is in their nature to be attracted by it.
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Lagta aap ko bhook lagi hai… cake… watermelon… flowers..
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He is just trying to give examples and make a point obviously we are not watermelons or cakes and we are mature enough to know that.
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I do see both sides of this story...yet I cannot still justify any male disrespecting a female based on her mode of dress. My boys will NEVER EVER judge a "book by its cover" at least not publicly or obviously. A fellow human is just that - whether male or female. And if more parents made this a fact of life to their boys well, then the gals would have so much less to worry about. Yes there are sadly increasing rates of rape in every country - not just USA where rape is more likely to be reported but rape is not a matter of a guy losing control because the woman is JUST TOO sexy - its a matter of a guy wanting to control her. Its a crime of violence. THAT is what needs to be changed and addressed - the way we raise our boys. Women who dress provocotively are those with low self esteem and are looking for admiration in any way they can find it. They are truly to be pitied and if they end up getting raped, it STILL goes back to the fact that the guy is an animal. But know what? THEY arent the typical rape victim. Lesson to be learned? Raise your boys WELL, teach them respect of ALL living things but MOST especially their fellow humans.