India's mars mission countdown...

[ajazali]

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@Theorist

LOL. Here we go again…

I couldnt help but post on this contradiction

[Theorist]

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@ajazali

I couldnt help but post on this contradiction

yeah sure. You need to evolve ASAP so you could catch up with the rest of us.

[ajazali]

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@Theorist

yeah sure. You need to evolve ASAP so you could catch up with the rest of us.

You mean writing long posts with rambling?
I am good without that.

[ajazali]

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anyway, help me ‘evolve’ and let me know how one can be spiritual without being a believer.

[psyah]

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@hareem01

This thread makes it seem like all the astronomers and scientists are/were atheists.

@Theorist

No, not at all. One can be spiritual without being religious. I would think many scientists are in fact quite spiritual.

This is a classic case of refute the unsaid … ignore the said …

hareem01 did not say that one cannot be spiritual without being religious … She said, this thread is as if all astronomers and scientists were atheists … in other words for the atheists here they feel atheism is to be praised for scientific and astronomical ventures. Whereas it can be argued many noted scientists and astronomers through time were religious and of them religious leaders too …

For or some reason she got a reply about something she did not even say or hint on …

[Theorist]

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@psyah

This is a classic case of refute the unsaid … ignore the said …

hareem01 did not say that one cannot be spiritual without being religious … She said, this thread is as if all astronomers and scientists were atheists … in other words for the atheists here they feel atheism is to be praised for scientific and astronomical ventures. Whereas it can be argued many noted scientists and astronomers through time were religious and of them religious leaders too …

For or some reason she got a reply about something she did not even say or hint on …

well, she made an odd comment to which I simply responded. I actually would like to know what made her think that. I joined the party pretty late and I didn’t all the replies in the thread. Last but not least, just because someone defines himself as an Atheist doesn’t mean he lacks spirituality. Besides, I WAS talking about the Atheist scientists who do claim to be “spiritual.” Also, not only am I not an atheist, I am also one of the people who think what a scientist does has nothing do with his belief system unless his belief system is anything like ajazali’s. Then you gotta evolve like yesterday..

[TLK]

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Its very sad that people think that Space exploration is just a fancy adventure and is waste of money and resources. Following is just a glimpse of how Space missions based technology and research can impact human lives.

1978: Teflon-coated fiberglass developed in the 1970s as a new fabric for astronaut spacesuits has been used as a permanent roofing material for buildings and stadiums worldwide. (By the way, contrary to urban myth, NASA did not invent Teflon.)

1982: Astronauts working on the lunar surface wore liquid-cooled garments under their space suits to protect them from temperatures approaching 250 degrees Fahrenheit. These garments, further developed and refined by NASA’s Johnson Space Center, are among the agency’s most widely used spinoffs, with adaptations for portable cooling systems for treatment of medical ailments such as burning limb syndrome, multiple sclerosis, spinal injuries and sports injuries.

1986: A joint National Bureau of Standards/NASA project directed at the Johnson Space Center resulted in a lightweight breathing system for firefighters. Now widely used in breathing apparatuses, the NASA technology is credited with significant reductions in inhalation injuries to the people who protect us.
1991: Tapping three separate NASA-developed technologies in the design and testing of its school bus chassis, a Chicago-based company was able to create a safer, more reliable, advanced chassis, which now has a large market share for this form of transportation.

1994: Relying on technologies created for servicing spacecraft, a Santa Barbara-based company developed a mechanical arm that allows surgeons to operate three instruments simultaneously, while performing laparoscopic surgery. In 2001, the first complete robotic surgical operation proved successful, when a team of doctors in New York removed the gallbladder of a woman in France using the Computer Motion equipment.

1995: Dr. Michael DeBakey of the Baylor College of Medicine teamed up with Johnson Space Center engineer David Saucier to develop an artificial heart pump – based on the design of NASA’s space shuttle main engine fuel pumps – that supplements the heart’s pumping capacity in the left ventricle. Later, a team at Ames Research Center modeled the blood flow, and improved the design to avoid harm to blood cells. The DeBakey Left Ventricular Assist Device (LVAD) can maintain the heart in a stable condition in patients requiring a transplant until a donor is found, which can range from one month to a year. Sometimes, permanent implantation of the LVAD can negate the need for a transplant. Bernard Rosenbaum, a Johnson Space Center propulsion engineer who worked with the DeBakey-Saucier group said, “I came to NASA in the early 1960s as we worked to land men on the moon, and I never dreamed I would also become part of an effort that could help people’s lives. We were energized and excited to do whatever it took to make it work.”

2000: NASA’s “Software of the Year” award went to Internet-based Global Differential GPS (IGDG), a C-language package that provides an end-to-end system capability for GPS-based real-time positioning and orbit determination. Developed at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, the software is being used to operate and control real-time GPS data streaming from NASA’s Global GPS Network. The Federal Aviation Administration has adopted the software’s use into the Wide Area Augmentation System program that provides pilots in U.S. airspace with real-time, meter-level accurate knowledge of their positions.

2000: Three Small Business Innovation Research contracts with NASA’s Langley Research Center resulted in a new, low cost ballistic parachute system that lowers an entire aircraft to the ground in the event of an emergency. These parachutes, now in use for civilian and military aircraft, can provide a safe landing for pilots and passengers in the event of engine failure, midair collision, pilot disorientation or incapacitation, unrecovered spin, extreme icing and fuel exhaustion. To date, the parachute system is credited with saving more than 200 lives.

[TLK]

And dear friends, worm holes and space warping is already amongst the suggested way of space traveling when destinations are light years away. There is no need of sending food and oxygen packets ahead of you, or relying on cryogenics

[psyah]

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@TLK

And dear friends, worm holes and space warping is already amongst the suggested way of space traveling when destinations are light years away. There is no need of sending food and oxygen packets ahead of you, or relying on cryogenics

Our technology is light years away from that ability …

[psyah]

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@TLK

Its very sad that people think that Space exploration is just a fancy adventure and is waste of money and resources. Following is just a glimpse of how Space missions based technology and research can impact human lives.

Peace bro TLK

If you look at each of these … None of them were invented as a result of space travel, but were invented for space travel … In other words they were all invented without going into space or did not rely on space travel to be invented/useful.

Certain things that you could argue that had space travel not taken place they would have been impossible to be realised … Include:

1. Satellites … For communications, maps, weather forecasting and military installations.
2. Hubble telescope … No aberration from atmosphere and large lens to capture highest quality astronomical imagery.

There are these applications that are relevant …

My argument is not that there is no benefit … It is that the benefit to cost is not justifiable yet for some of the more outlandish ideas … However, given the way we treat the Earth at the moment looking for another home might be prudent … But I think it is greater challenge to end corruption, increase awareness in taking care of our environment, preserving life and the family unit, etiquettes and moral systems … I feel that if Pakistan can be a pioneer of those things and let other countries be the pioneers of things like space travel then I think we will have put the correct focus where it is most due … Being able to execute the mission that India executed is a sign of high level expertise and nothing can take that away from them …

[TLK]

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@psyah

Our technology is light years away from that ability …

If hundred years ago, I told you that one day we will send men to moon, and land rockets on Mars that will send the pictures back, and fly spacecrafts through the solar system into deep space, your answer would be exactly the same.

[Southie]

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@ajazali

Obviously, scientists would like to keep themselves in the business, irrespective of that they could not materialize sci-fi stories they tell

If we replace scientists with religious folks, and remove Sci - fi from the sentence…

[Southie]

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@ajazali

lolz, what’s next? you can be spiritual without accepting the existing of spirit.

Why do religious people insist one has to be religious to be spiritual?

PS: purists will insist it is lulz.

[Southie]

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I was disappointed that Theorist contributed to this thread without reading all the posts.

[ajazali]

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@Theorist

well, she made an odd comment to which I simply responded. I actually would like to know what made her think that. I joined the party pretty late and I didn’t all the replies in the thread. Last but not least, just because someone defines himself as an Atheist doesn’t mean he lacks spirituality. Besides, I WAS talking about the Atheist scientists who do claim to be “spiritual.” Also, not only am I not an atheist, I am also one of the people who think what a scientist does has nothing do with his belief system unless his belief system is anything like ajazali’s. Then you gotta evolve like yesterday..

You are confused yet commenting on others? A person is a spiritual without believe in unseen or super natural, is either a patient or “confused”
Why dont you reply my question, and explain what you mean by “being spiritual”?

[ajazali]

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@Southie

If we replace scientists with religious folks, and remove Sci - fi from the sentence…

Religous folks explicitly tell people that we will not get every promised benefit/loss in this world.

@Southie

Why do religious people insist one has to be religious to be spiritual?

PS: purists will insist it is lulz.

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[Southie]

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@ajazali

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Post 115 is a perfect round roti.

[hareem01]

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@TLK

If hundred years ago, I told you that one day we will send men to moon, and land rockets on Mars that will send the pictures back, and fly spacecrafts through the solar system into deep space, your answer would be exactly the same.

What if I told you by 2030 there would left only 10% of the forests in the world?

[psyah]

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@TLK

If hundred years ago, I told you that one day we will send men to moon, and land rockets on Mars that will send the pictures back, and fly spacecrafts through the solar system into deep space, your answer would be exactly the same.

You can say that about a person ignorant of science history … but in 1914 technology was quite advanced …

It just so happened that people were talking about this exactly 100 years ago …

In 1903, high school mathematics teacher Konstantin Tsiolkovsky (1857–1935) published Исследование мировых пространств реактивными приборами[SUP][27]](History of rockets - Wikipedia)[/SUP] (The Exploration of Cosmic Space by Means of Reaction Devices), the first serious scientific work on space travel. The Tsiolkovsky rocket equation—the principle that governs rocket propulsion—is named in his honor (although it had been discovered previously[SUP][28]](History of rockets - Wikipedia)[/SUP]). He also advocated the use of liquid hydrogen and oxygen as fuel, calculating their maximum exhaust velocity. His work was essentially unknown outside the Soviet Union, but inside the country it inspired further research, experimentation and the formation of the Society for Studies of Interplanetary Travel in 1924.

In 1912, Robert Esnault-Pelterie published a lecture on rocket theory and interplanetary travel. He independently derived Tsiolkovsky’s rocket equation, did basic calculations about the energy required to make round trips to the Moon and planets, and he proposed the use of atomic power (i.e. radium) to power a jet drive.

Robert Goddard began a serious analysis of rockets in 1912, concluding that conventional solid-fuel rockets needed to be improved in three ways. First, fuel should be burned in a small combustion chamber, instead of building the entire propellant container to withstand the high pressures. Second, rockets could be arranged in stages. And third, the exhaust speed (and thus the efficiency) could be greatly increased to beyond the speed of sound by using a De Laval nozzle. He patented these concepts in 1914.[SUP][29]](History of rockets - Wikipedia)[/SUP] He also independently developed the mathematics of rocket flight. He proved that a rocket would work in a vacuum, which many scientists did not believe at the time.

History of rockets - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now here is the reason why I said we are “light-years away” - scientific discovery happens in stages … there are discoveries of phenomena and then there are stages of application development. To create the technology for stable worm holes we need another few discovery steps … if we are lucky we may get them sooner if we are not lucky it could take a very long time … after the initial discovery required then about 50 years or so is needed to create a possible application.

Research only improves our understanding of known things … but to discover new things we need inspiration and unveilings … they do not necessarily come with a lot of research, but people who are in the domain already, can help understand discoveries when they happen. I feel the next big discovery is going to happen on the sub-atomic stage … the physics of today is vastly different to the physics of yesteryear because a lot more of it is theoretical …

[psyah]

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@hareem01

What if I told you by 2030 there would left only 10% of the forests in the world?

Well Missy … if you told me that then I would suggest that we stop trying to spend too much effort and money on space for a while and start looking seriously and sincerely at sustainability.