Yes, in India not ALL Indians are doing this, but only Hindu Indians. Because there is no share of the female in inheritence and women are declared curse and evil in Hinduism. Need proof? I can give it easily…
What is the proof of banning? Illegal things don’t happen open air. They are illegal and they happen in hidden. Bannig doesn’t mean they don’t happen…
You don’t know but let me explain. Every pregnant woman has to undergo ultrasound at two points in pregnancy. Early in pregnany 5-10 wks and late in pregnancy around 26-28 weeks. And it is understood they can know the sex of the female. This is a normal Royal College of England protocol. How can the government put a ban on it???/ Thats so funny, sir.
Only those people who can afford to get an ultrasound are the ones to abort. Poor people cannot pay so they cannot commit this crime…
I guess you need to consider the fact that you can be very ignorant of realities.
Of course AIDS is a problem but the picture you portray is similar to an Indian trying to say how the whole of Pakistan is full of rabid fundamentalists and then goes on to give examples of some odd facts and extrapolates it to represent the whole of Pakistan. Pls realise that. And as for Pakistanis returnin from India beind tested for AIDs, well good for them and the reasons for that could as well be something to do with teh pakistanis as well - you understand what I am saying, dont you?!!(OK I am being sarcastic and trying to settle scores in a way)
As for Hindu laws of inheritance, let me enlighten you that what you say is not the case and even among Hindus there are differences taking it to a positive extreme - among Hindus in Kerala (Malabar) the girls have the greater inheritance rights!!!!
Ultrasound test need to happen but it is absilutely illegal for the doctor to inform parents of the gender of the child. (talking with experience here..so kindly dont retort with the notions you may have)
Women are declared curse and .... - dont become a joke please. You are clearly so ignorant. And dont give any rubbish as proof - As Isaid am a HIndu Indian and very much aware of how women are treated in Hinduism without having to hear it from some body who has little knowledge and only the intention of belittling others.
I’ll be back with reference dude. Fear from the time when you’ll become a joke yourself.
Look at this quoted statement which I replied to. Rohit says, “Government has banned all the pre-natal sex determination tests”
And you first did not read carefully what I replied to and then gave a different second opinion.
Well, first tell us what statement is true, your or Rohit’s?. What Rohit says or what you say.
Its good that you are a Hindu. That way you can really educate us about the following verses. Here goes my proof, read it swamy ji and tell me who is a joke???
“He (the king) should arise in the last watch of the night and, unpolluted and with a concentrated mind, offer an oblation into the fire; then he should honour the Brahmins and enter his fine court-room. He should stay there greeting all his subjects, and then dismiss them; and when he has dismissed all his subjects he should take counsel with his counsellors (advisory cabinet). He should take counsel unobserved, climbing to a private place on the back of a hill or a roof-terrace, or in a wilderness that has no vegetation. A king whose counsel is not known by the common people when they come together will enjoy the entire earth even if he has a poor treasury. At the time of taking counsel he should have removed idiots, the mute, blind, or deaf; animals and very old people; women, barbarians, and those who are ill or who lack a part of the body.For those who are despised[size=]disclose counsel, and so do animals and, especially, women; therefore he should be cautious among them. At noon or midnight, when he has rested and overcome his weariness, he should think, either alone or with those(advisers), about religion, profit, and pleasure, and about attaining them when they are mutually opposed, about giving daughters in marriage and protecting his sons, about sending ambassadors and finishing what has to be done, about what is going on in the harem and the movements of his secret agents.” Manusmrti 7:145-153. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
“Women are powerless, have no inheritance, and speak more humbly than even a bad man.” Krsna Yajur Veda Taittiriya Samhita 6:5:8:2.
"Lord Indra himself has said, ‘The mind of woman cannot be disciplined; she has very little intelligence.’ " Rig Veda 8:33:17. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ “A thirty-year-old man should marry a twelve-year-old girl who charms his heart, and a man of twenty-four an eight-year-old girl; and if duty is threatened, (he should marry) in haste.” Manusmrti 9:94. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
**“A discarded wife is one who has no son. … For a wife that is without a son, is possessed with Nirriti (destruction, calamity).” ** Satapatha Brahmana 5:3:1:13 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/size]
Thanks for quoting the source there. Understand one key difference with respect to Hinduism. Hinduism is certainly a lot more complicated and does not have this rule of hey this piece of writing is the final word on how life is supposed to be and you shall not deviate from it. Like Manu is amongst the big assholes who is largely the reason for the caste system in Hinduism. And no one approves of the caste system - not even the most fundamentalist guy in RSS. So I guess when you come from the mindset of yours (which is fine - Iam not saying its good or bad ) - am refering to your belief of the final word on religion or life having been delivered 1400 years ago, you are right in concluding that HIndus woudl be doing likewise and following all that is written in Manusmriti etc. But reality is that it is not so. Efforts to remove things like caste system started 2 centuries back and reasonable progree has been made though there is much more to be done. Similarly, women are definitely not treated as equals everywhere - there is lot of differences over regions/states in India - in some places its progressed a lot more and some places a lot lesser. But no its not the kind of picture you probably have in mind in most cases but yes discrimination does exist. I am saying this hoping that you are actually interested in knowing what the real picture across the border and if you want to move out of living on perceptions. But of course if you want to just show how bad Hinduism is then I guess you will definitely not be open to accepting what I am saying. And anyways I might also add that as a Hindu, I am very happy but I certainly feel that everything is not perfect about my religion - definitely refering to some of the practices but on the whole still happy about it and the best thing I feel about is that it gives me the independence to actually feel and say that. So please get back to me with the opinion on how you feel some other religion is perfect in your views and how the world needs to move towards that path etc etc. I am a closed mindon that aspect (as are most of the people on their religion which incidentally is theirs just coz their birth).
Hope you will try to actually correct your perceptions, accept the fact that things are not that drastically bad with others (while being perfect with yourself)
Eventually, we are all trying harder to live better. Whats better is our own perception guided by religion that we follow coupled with free thought
And what Rohit refers to is about using the ultrasound for sex determination purposes. It is important to have ultrasound for medical reasons and that has not been banned.
But somewhere along the line I get this feeling that its pointless writing all this here coz some of you are only keen to prove that everything else in the world other than Islam is plain rubbish and worse. For people with that mindset, I guess writing anything else is a waste of time. I suppose for such people it is so hard or impossible to accept the thought that the world other than those following Islam can be nice or happy. Really sad about that. I am so glad that my religion allows change while still retaining its core and also allows me to live with the idea that others may exist without having the same beliefs that I have.
I dont think I should be wasting any more of my time coz I realise that it is a basic part of Islam to say that anyone not following Islam is going to hell etc etc... so its no point hoping for anything else from most of the guys here who are staunch followers of Islam. Glad you are happy with yourself but I do feel sorry also for you guys coz it must be hurting you all so much to see people from other religions living happily. Ooops, I guess I should not be wasting even that thought on you guys.
Thanks anyways for clearing the illusion that I had about happily co-existing with followers of other religions. Thanks to you all I realise that while I might live happily but you guys wont coz it hurts you to see me, a kafir, living happily. All the best anyways.
I have no perception DUDE. I have quoted the verses from your own scriptures (and you are calling names to Manu). I know Manu is not liked among Indians that is why I have written a verse from your Ved. You claimed to be a Hindu and you boasted that you very well know what is Hinduism. Please explein the verses I quoted. We all are ignorant Sir. Please tell us the meanings of these verses.
BTW. I know the problems with Hindus, they have never opened and dared to read their scriptures. If not so, then please explain the verses that are so explicit in their meanings. I have more evidence from your own scripture Sir. Or you are becomeing a joke yourself.
Is asking about your religion is so sinfull? I quoted some verses and asked you to explain them, what is so insulting to Hinduism in that? What is so insulting to you in that? What is the question of harmony?
So can you please explain to me those verses? I am waiting. I have more verses to write. But lets first give you an opportunity to explicitly throw light on them…
so how come pakistan and bangaldesh is low on human development index
below india ? only sri lanka is way ahead of all compared to all southasian countries.
pakistani human develoment catogory is in less develped india in medium develped
in years to come the gap will widen even more. education is so neglected
in pakistan it will not be able to progress without serious refrom.
Stick to the topic. I am waiting for the explaination of the verses I quoted in my pos # 43. We are ignorant Pakistanis. We don’t know about the treatment of women in Hinduism. Please enlighten us in the light of those verses I quoted…
Waiting for the reply… I have more references to quote, yet no answer has been given to my references in post 43…
Had decided against visting this site but frankly, curiosity got the better of me (poor weak me...sob sob)
Well, I think you havent read what I write earlier. There was lot of rubbish in Hinduism and some of it still does exist. No doubts about that but what you need to check is the ground reality. And thats where I mentioned that though this women mistreatment thing is there is parts, but its not the universally happening thing. So what is getting reported etc is whats happening in smaller proportions and so do not get the impression that this is what happens on a day to day basis or in every house among the Hindus.
You are right - most Hindus have not read their scriptures because unlike other religions, this one was never officially founded or declared by anyone. Its just the way of living which has been followed. As I mentioned earlier, the good thing about Hinduism has been that it has nothing prescribed as - "do it this way else ..." You could call that a weakness but for us, it is a strength. SO all the rubbish has been discarded and so none of what you present as the verses etc is even known to Hindus leave alone influences their thought.
Again, you are unlikely to believe me and will come up with some sarci comment - the only thing you could (if it really matters to you so much) is that you need to go to India and see life ther - check out various stratas of society and then pass your judgement.
And BTW, there is lot difference between whats on the scriptures and whats in practice. I am sure that there are lots of very good points in Islam but from what one sees (at least among Indian Muslims), quite a bit of it is only on the scriptures and not at all in practice. Now please dont get touchy and jump on this. Again you are welcome to India to check out the Muslims, speak to the Muslim women here and find out what the truth is - but thats impractical actually - so you see, the truth is something you are unlikely to know. So live with your perception and rejoice
Thank you for an honest expression. I wasn’t expecting this from you because you were behaving quite differently before. Looks like you are quite a mature person compared to the rest. So accept my acknowledgment of this fact.
My argument is that whatever Hinduism is, totally wrong, partially wrong or whatever, it is what it is and we cannot change it. My intent was to show that many serious deficiencies are present at the root of it which sometimes other Indians attribute to Islam and Pakistan. They don’t look at things in a fair manner. They attrubute certain things to Islam and Pakistan which are altogether false but don’t know that there are problems with their side.
Now, I want to say one thing. For me, if you are a hindu, you have the same rights as me as a human. You are not my enemy per se (as you might have sensed from my posts). Please keep visiting this site. Leaving the site is not a solution. I say this because I see you have not acted the way others do and I think you have the ability to keep the differences and still live together…
there is no specific instructions like quran . no pork or alcohol
may be you find drink soma in vedas.
have you ever seen any leaders taking oath on vedas?
and tell me who is a joke???