Mad-house Madrassahs should be closed down and all the funds diverted to the regular schools. Mah-houses are breading grounds of terrorism. They should not be allowed to operate at all.
Why is it too hard to understand that we have 5 national languages: Pushto, Balochi, Sindhi, Punjabi, and Urdu.
Our law allows 4 wives, so why can't we have 4 national languages Pushto, Balochi, Sindhi, Punjabi and a mistress called Urdu (Oh Urdu is so cool to say bad things to very bad girls).
English was a "lingua franca of her Majesty" many many years ago. Now it is official language of Pakistan, and a language of science and knowledge for the rest of the world. The sooner you will accept the better you will be.
While it is true that India’s “official” policy on Hindi (e.g. after bloody riots of the 1960s allowed Tamil Nadu to have Tamil as its official language and not Hindi) is a little better than Pakistan’s policy on Urdu, it is no secret that Indian govt still imposes Hindi on non-Hindi-speakers through various other means.
Imagine the president/prime minister addressing the nation in 5 languages! If nothing, the speeches will make news
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Feds use English dear Mulz! "the official language".
Jinnah used it almost 100 years ago and people followed him without any problem. Remember at that time, literacy rate was much lower. So no problem in making speeches.
Good you got to 3, just add two more. You will be OK. It won't hurt.
Mad-house madrassahs belong to the age of dinosaurs. You don't want dinos in the public places and the same goes with Mullahtic madhouses. If you do want to keep some around, find a museum, or even better a zoo. People will pay to go check out the bearded hazrat.
Anti yaar, if the five language works fine and creates no more issues than its okay otherwise every now then there are problems due to language extremists like Seraiki nationalist group and others.
Mullahs tend to be destabilize peace overall. When I was in Multan I would get really scared at the news of shia-sunni killings and hearing one tehreek/jamaat vowing to take revenge every other day and ppl calling for khoon for khoon kinda stuff.. sooo many ppl died in post zia-pakistan that it looked we were heading towards another 1947 kinda situation.. and now the emergence of Barelvi-Deobandi conflicts.. sad part is so many kids becoming yateem and they end up taking lives (to avange their kins’ deaths) when they grow up. I also witnessed the horror of Rangers Vs MQM Vs Haqiqi etc. violence.. those days it was so terrible.. Seeing a man chased by some youths who were holding knives etc.. was so common. I guess Mullahs want their version of Pakistan :halo:. If you close madarssas, they’ll lose their job- so they will come with some trick to kill ppl.
shall we do a simple test? Go to any news site and choose any news and post translated version HERE in any OTHER language (other then URDU) and see how many PAKISTANI's can understand that. let it be in Persian, Pushto, Balouchi, Punjabi, SIndhi, or Bangla.
When a language is imposed on different peoples they eventually learn it because they are forced via the media, schools, govt, etc. Urdu was imposed on the peoples of Pakistan by the British imperialists followed by the dominating post-1947 Muhajirs. Had there not been British occupation of Pakistan region, Persian would have still been the official language.
The point of this thread is not to be blinded with the imposed reality, but to eliminate the unjust status quo, ending the bitter legacy of British colonialism namely Urdu language and replacing it back with Pakistan’s natural/historical official language, Persian. The benefits from replacing Urdu with Persian are enormous and multi-faceted. This change is very possible and can be successfully accomplished in various phases within a few decades. Late is better than never. At the same time, Punjabi, Seraiki, Sindhi, Baluchi, and Pashto should be given the status of national languages to be protected and promoted at its provincial/district levels. The role of Persian as the national language should be for inter-provincial/ethnic communications.
If Urdu continues as Pakistan’s national language, in a few decades there will be no more Pakistan as it will be culturally/totally absorbed into the blackhole called (H)India.
Don't worry, Urdu/Hindi will be equally destructive to Bharatis as well. Unless off course the Southies finally realize that they need to kick out the Bimarou states.
^^^ not every indian speak hindi specially in south.
sole language that can be used everywhere in India is English
we should be proud that we do have a national language that can be understood in all part of Pakistan.
anyone like it or not.
Urdu will stay as national and de facto language of Pakistan. and English will stay as office lingo.
all other languages will stay well spoken and used in all parts of Pakistan.
apart from Punjabi(only language that is not taught in schools) which is going downwards as more and more adopting and teaching kids only Urdu.
Every other language has strong speaker base and taught in schools as well.
Exactly, Jinnah being a Gujarati couldn’t even speak Urdu but fluent English, Bibi Ji can’t speak very good Urdu because she’s Sindhi/Persian mix and Brit educated, most of the current president’s speeches are in English so I don’t know why these idiots have a problem with English.
To me as a Pashtun Urdu/Hindi is just as foreign as English but unlike English it has no relevance in the modern world so why should I or my children have to learn it? Pashto which echoes in my valleys and bazaars and the language of my hujras is my heritage, it gives me that warm feeling of belonging not Urdu/Hindi, I’m sure Sindhis and the few loyal Punjabis will feel the same way about their mother tongues, Urdu/Hindi is glamorous due to Bollywood but it represents the heritage of people originating from Dehli and Haidarabad Dekkan not our heritage.
anyone like it or not.
Urdu will stay as national and de facto language of Pakistan. ......
This is the smug attitude of many of my Urdu People community. I tell them, national language is a mirage that leads to nothing.
You pick national flower
You pick national bird
You pick national language
If the bird goes wee wee, or the flower is not fresh anymore, you think national integrity goes down the tube? Heck no!
Same thing is with a supposed national language thingy. Whether we say Kaaf with Kainchee (scissors), or kaaf with kutta (dog), does it really matter beyond the niceties of the language? None whatsoever.
On the other hand, shoving the language of Bimarou states down the throats of Pakistanis will make us Bimarou as well.
But keeping English as Pakistan's official language and making it play the role of national language is a very poor idea. What difference would it make between English-speaking Indians and English-speaking Pakistanis stuck with the same dilemma as we have with Urdu/Hindi. One of the major reasons for eliminating Urdu as Pakistan's national language is to bring an end to Indian cultural invasion of Pakistan and building a stronger distinct identity for Pakistanis. Replacing Urdu with English does not solve the problem, but makes it worst. English is already playing a role in India if not stronger then equal to Hindi.
I would like to quote the following arguments on English again:
*The argument of English being a global language holds no weight, as you know these so called global languages come and go, depending on a nation's politico-economic influence in the world. At different time periods, Aramaic, Greek, Latin, Persian, and Arabic served as global languages. Sure, it is good to learn the global language or any other language, but not at the cost of losing your own. And what is more important is that while these transitions in the balance of world power take place, other nations should cling on to their language/culture in order to ensure their long term survival. *
*The claim of English as a better language is simply hogwash. Linguists and cultural anthropologists agree that language is independent of the mental level in people. There is no correlation between a people's language and their level of sophistication. For example, the once barbaric Germanic-speaking people, who were far less civilized than others, are today one of the most sophisticated people in the world. Languages that lack the essentials of today's constantly changing modern world can simply be further developed to meet the demands via proper linguistic institutions. Out of national pride, the once rarely spoken and ancient Hebrew language was revived and further developed as Israel's national language. Today, Israel is one of the world's leading countries in technology, and its Hebrew language proudly satisfies their demands. Japan, China, Korea, Russia, Latin and Arab countries, Iran, and many others are proof that national pride of language can overpower against any odds. *
*English language, as the heritage of Pakistanis is another bogus claim. The very fact that the British imperialists invaded South Asia, looted and enslaved its people, and then fled back to their country thousands of miles away does not make them part of our heritage. Unlike the Aryas, Sakas, Yavanas, Hunas, Turks, and various other invaders, the British did not settle permanently in South Asia, nor did they intermarry with the South Asians. Therefore, the British and their English language are not the true heritage of Pakistanis, but instead they are the bitter legacy of foreign subjugation and plunder. *
*It is true that language is in a constant natural process of evolution, dependent on the sociopolitical circumstances. As different peoples interact or merge, they influence each other, thereby bringing change. This is a slow natural process, independent of external factors. Unnecessarily using a foreign/colonial language, or purposely substituting the words in your language from it, is nothing more than slave-mindedness, and stands against the very principles of linguistic evolution. A proud Arab, Iranian, French, Chinese, Japanese, etc. would never unnecessarily prefer to speak English, nor replace words in their language from English. *
I am not a fan of Urdu myself and think Arabic or Farsi will be better for Pak. But this global or modern language claim of English is pure BS. If that was true why would the Japanese, French, Chinese, Koreans, Spanish, and many many others be high-tech developed countries yet very very few of its citizens know English???? They take pride in their own culture, history, and language --- and have the least desire or interest in learning English --- yet they are the most prospering, modern, high-tech, and developed countries in the world without the imperialist English language!!!!!
Those espousing the idea of English as Pak's official language are probably British-American stooges with their own vested interests (probably are offshoots of British-awarded elitist privileges or wealth, or have their children studying in the West, or have stakes in overseas business, or are connected with family members that immigrated to the West). These Anglophiles are nothing more than English-language-trained (with that funny pigeon accent) "Coolies" to the Brits-Americans ---- best exploited as cheap labor and sell-offs.
.......These Anglophiles are nothing more than English-language-trained (with that funny pigeon accent) "Coolies" to the Brits-Americans ---- best exploited as cheap labor and sell-offs.
Proof #1, you wrote your hanky phanky in English and not in Japanese, French, Chinese, Korean, or Spanish.
You are like the wino gulping down expensive French stuff while telling the rest of the lot: People drink water, water is good for you, the whole world drinks water, why you want to be Francophile, drink water, drink water.
It is a given that language in itself is not a guarantee of progress. Heck even "modern" education may not guarantee progress. Case in point Kerala, and Maali.
Read this book "Culture and prosperity" why Some Nations Are Rich but Most Remain Poor, by John Kay.
John makes a point that Scottish education system did wonders to the Scottish economy. However when the same education system was transplanted in African countries, it failed to get the same results.
Pakistan and Bharat are kind of unique in the world when it comes to the command on English. Perhaps (with few exceptions), South Asia became the biggest region of English speaking people outside the Anglo-European dominated regions of today (US, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc).
Thus command on English is just one of our strengths that we may need to further improve and use it to our advantage.
need ya'll be educated that india, pakistan were the same country some decades back, the language most widely understood was hindustani, roots are not easy to shake off, and no not many of your ancestors spoke farsi, much as you'd like to believe it. thankyou.
i believe the only time it was ONE country was during aurangzeb,no?
Its myth,although All THE REGIONS in the present day india and Pakistan might have been ONE country at some point in time,only briefly,they were normally fragmented,depending on how strong the central govt. was.
I dont think its an Indian agenda,but British were known for taking these things into account when colonizing(they had good practice/experience:P).But there is no doubt in our minds that Indians know fully well how much Pakistanis watch their movies,and they use it as a tool,to manipulate us and to a greater extent,their own ppl.Havent u seen all the movies made abt the kashmir issue,full of ****,but drives the indian official message home.
Those movies are bunch of idiotic blabbering to keep Bharati public happy. They can't do any harm to Pak. In fact the only thing these movies do is to further increase the animocity between the people of the two countries.
As I said earlier, Bharatis can't use any weapon against us, as long as our military is strong. However we ourselves can do a lot of damage to Pak by "importing" the attitudes from the Bharati states aptly called BIMAROU.
yeah those movies were made only to make money. i dont know how much money they made;)
bharatis cant do anything to you guys! Thats why you loose your peace of mind just by listening the word ‘india’ & ‘bharat’ . I think india should not do anything also .why?..because your military has become “toooooo strong ‘within’ their own country to harm themselves”
You are like the wino gulping down expensive French stuff while telling the rest of the lot: People drink water, water is good for you, the whole world drinks water, why you want to be Francophile, drink water, drink water.
It is a given that language in itself is not a guarantee of progress. Heck even "modern" education may not guarantee progress. Case in point Kerala, and Maali.
Read this book "Culture and prosperity" why Some Nations Are Rich but Most Remain Poor, by John Kay.
John makes a point that Scottish education system did wonders to the Scottish economy. However when the same education system was transplanted in African countries, it failed to get the same results.
Pakistan and Bharat are kind of unique in the world when it comes to the command on English. Perhaps (with few exceptions), South Asia became the biggest region of English speaking people outside the Anglo-European dominated regions of today (US, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc).
Thus command on English is just one of our strengths that we may need to further improve and use it to our advantage.
You are not making any sense! I am writing in English because I was forced to because of English's cultural imperialism and domination in slave-minded former-Brit-colonialist system of my Pak country. And I want to change that!
If you prefer to stay as a "Coolie" for the West with your "command" in English (with that funny pigeon accent) and to show your "strength" with cheap labor and being a sell-off----then good for you!
How much do the Japs, Chinese, French, Koreans, Turks, Spanish, etc. care for having a command in English yet they have all the strengths without Englsih.
I would rather reject any trace of foreign imperialism or colonialism---by eliminating English language's domination in Pakistan--- and taking pride in my own language by wanting it to play the same role as many other countries have their own languages succeed.
Thanks for agreeing that language does not correlate to progress or modernity.
If Pakistan would have followed the example of China, Japan, Turkey, Spanish, French, etc. by promoting its own language instead of a former-colonialist's, today we would be posting messages in our own Pakistani language instead of the Anglo's.
Stop justifying your slave-mindedness unless you have own personal vested interests at stake!
You mention too many countries that vary widely in their history, and their attitude towards "European Colonists".
So I'll pick just one country here: Japan. Why? It has been the only Asian country that was never colonized. How did they avoid colonization? By becoming European in every which way. In fact they are so stead-fast Europeans that a blue suite is mandatory in Japanese corporate world, even when Americans and Europeans have been moving away from suites.
Japanese even 200 years ago were the best "imitators" of the West. There is nothing wrong with imitation. As I said, if you want to be a top notch batsman (in cricket), copy Miandad (my hero).
Here are some more examples to show how long it has been for Japanese to be copying Europeans.
200 years ago, they set up their army on Prussian (now Germany) model.
200 years ago, they brought experts from England and set up their navy on British model.
200 years ago they changed their whole school system to a mix of European systems. Their girls in school still wear uniforms modeled on European sailors and not a uniform based on kimono.
250 years ago they quit using their old ship building techniques and hired Spanish sailors for teaching how to build an Armada like that of Spain.
For language they tried hard too. Even now learning English is a big deal for many Japanese.
Knowledge of language, arts, or science is never Imperial in nature. In fact resistance to acquire knowledge is a clear sign of "slave mentality" what our Messenger pbuh called "Jahiliya".
If you really admire Japanese, then it is time that Pakistanis made blue suites compulsory for the businessmen, and skirts for professional-women. It is time that Pakistani girl students quit wearing Shalwar Qameez (the sleeping dress) and wear uniforms of European sailors.
This may not be possible as Jahils in Pakistan will continue copying Jahils of Arabia.
. I think india should not do anything also .why?..because your military has become “toooooo strong ‘within’ their own country to harm themselves”