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^ Come on man, country is semi running of foreign remittance to begin with.
Don't accuse overseas Pakistani for not playing their part - being a PTI supporter, this is the last thing you should say. :p
:D
africans are going back to africa and doing major projects. Transferring knowledge or what not to private sectors.
Here we have ABCDs who visit pakistan when they want to eat spicy food ??
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Conservatives and Right wingers may overlap. But not ALL conservatives are Right wingers.
When the Right winger throws labels such as self loathing and unpatriotic - calling that Right winger a self proclaimed Patriot is totally appropriate.
When a Right winger is a cheerleader for war but doesn't have near and dear ones serving as foot soldiers and has gone out of the way to not enlist - calling that Right winger a chicken hawk is totally aplrooriate.
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:D
Here we have ABCDs who visit pakistan when they want to eat samoosa??
What is a samoosa???
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Excuses and more excuses for throwing labels. Label throwing is label throwing. You can't pick and choose, and call your labeling fair and balanced, and other as off the mark. That's hypocrisy. Plain and simple. If your label throwing is a reaction to something you don't like, then other side label throwing could also be a reaction to something they deem inappropriate. Either don't indulge in label throwing at all, and don't have double standards when it comes to it.
In regards to your last sentence, if this in regards to any particular member here - while carrying on with your holier than thou label throwing - you have no right to assume whose near and dear ones aren't serving as soldiers, or haven't served as one!
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that fat triangle shape thing with potato or qeema inside 
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Re post 32 - the labels are being thrown around by the Right wing the world over - attacking the peace lovers as unpatriotic and self loathing.
With Pakistan the situation is entirely different though.
Because the 'peace lovers' want us to turn a blind eye to the current atrocities and rabid aggression shown by India against Pakistan at EVERY LEVEL. From sports, to entertainment to regional and global politics, as well as attempted interference in our internal politics and media. Pointing this out doesn't mean I'm blind to faults within Pakistan, I'm just stating facts.
The simple fact is India doesn't want anything to do with us. With all this in mind, seeing Pakistani's pander to India, make excuses for their aggression and violence and suggesting peace is bang out of order. It just shows a complete lack of awareness, knowledge and a degree of self-loathing on their part. Just like the present PCB administration begging on all fours to play India. Grow a spine. Just like Wasim Akram and Shoaib Akhtar coaching and commentating in India despite the fact Pakistani players aren't included in the IPL and India don't want anything to do with Pakistani cricket. No backbone whatsoever. And this is what is fuelling the anger and betrayal felt by myself and a couple of others.
Regardless of what people have said, I don't get how saying any of this would make anyone a blind Indian hater. I (and a few others) just want Pakistan and Pakistani's to stand up for themselves, especially in the face of hostility when your opposite clearly does not want anything resembling a cordial relationship, never mind outright peace.
To be honest (and this is not aimed at you) if someone doesn't keep up with current politics and doesn't have an understanding about the present situation they aren't really fit to comment because they are simply not aware. In which case the frustration felt by myself and a couple of others would be seen as hateful rambling when it is anything but. People should clue themselves up a bit before commenting, rather than basing their beliefs on the anti-Pakistani propaganda spewed by the media.
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i’ll come back only if you provide me with cookies and doodhoo.
i agree. lol i don’t want to get too political in general, but this is the crux of what i’m trying to say.. yes, pak-india relations are volatile. we can sign whatever peace treaty/(lahore) declaration we want but it will seldom contain deep rooted tensions and isn’t a viable option in the long run. the way i see it is if we build ourselves up as a nation, on a domestic level, then we legitimize ourselves enough to actually be accepted at a global level rather than a kind of pariah state in the eyes of the west (and yes, that deeply matters). it puts us in a much better position to negotiate with india. i would love to rub it in india’s face if we could show our social progression, especially :halo:
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^ you make some good points. Will reply later.
Cheers.
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Just look at the shocking response Pakistan series of Humans of New York got. We also have a responsibility of fighting the misconceptions and unfair stereotypes about our country, and setting the record straight whenever we can. My Western friends get so surprised when I show them the pictures of KPK’s breathtaking natural beauty.
It will be nice to rub our social progression in India’s face, but they as a country have no moral high ground or any right to bully Pakistan or Pakistanis, and paint themselves any better than us. Some Pakistanis really just need to know their stuff. Indians are just expert at propaganda and PR. Look what is happening in the home of Bollywood - Mumbai, the platform Indian filmmakers use to show how wonderfully great India is.
Nice to you another grown up likes milk just as much as I do. I love milk - not with cookies though. 
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ABCDs, BBCDs, DBCDs, FBCDs, GBCDs etc aren't pakistanis to begin with, so why are we expecting so much from them? You can't expect the devotion israel might get from there people when it comes to Pakistan that is still figuring out what is Pakistaniyat. londonfinest type characters don't help in any way.
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Wasim Akhtar and Shoaib Akhtar....
Brothers, are they?
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Will try to reply with bold format within your text. Not sure it will come through - doing for 1st tims. So here we go.
I think you will find everyone wants peace first and noone wants war. I would take peace with India over anything, it would not only change both countries but the entire region.
However that isn't happening, especially with Modi's government. India is too busy deciding who to thrash over beef in their own country, peace isn't a priority. When that happens Pakistan should grow a spine, I mean even as an Indian you'll agree PCB running after BCCI is sickening. And that's just one example.
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but we need lasting peace not just in the country but in the region to progress. ....
I don't agree with this at all. Nations that succeed and prosper do so in spite of wars and many times because of war.
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ABCDs, BBCDs, DBCDs, FBCDs, GBCDs etc aren't pakistanis to begin with, so why are we expecting so much from them? You can't expect the devotion israel might get from there people when it comes to Pakistan that is still figuring out what is Pakistaniyat. londonfinest type characters don't help in any way.
What's up friend?
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Brothers, are they?
Don't know what you're talking about ;)
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DUH..that statement certainly is not calling anyone anything but when literally calling some Pakistani a traitor (as evident for a ton of posts in PA) is something that doesnt go unnoticeable. And honestly i actually feel sorry about those accusing others or revoking cancelling their patriotism certificates. Its their insecurities that are leading them this way to.
The find it easy that since they have less tolerance to hear other people out, lets issue a fatwa against 'em.
Now this class isnt confined to Pak only. Its everywhere even in the west. You can see them in India, in US and we just saw recently in Canada. Just one of the many reasons why this world is where it is. 
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Calling people blind patriots or right wingers is a problem as well, ofcourse not saying you did it but the labeling works both ways. In the end that’s why we are all here, if we all thought the same way then the forums around the internet would be redundant. 
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I think you will find everyone wants peace first and noone wants war. I would take peace with India over anything, it would not only change both countries but the entire region.
However that isn't happening, especially with Modi's government. India is too busy deciding who to thrash over beef in their own country, peace isn't a priority. When that happens Pakistan should grow a spine, I mean even as an Indian you'll agree PCB running after BCCI is sickening. And that's just one example.
Got to agree. I am Modis ardent critic. And it's a shame he got overwhelming support in the election. Probably 75 pct of Hindus voted for him.
BCCI has been shameful.
Also Indian TV hosts such as Goswamy disrespect Pakistani guests. Don't allow them to talk.
Beyond that, I don't know the politics of which nation causes more trouble to the other. The whole thing is too depressing for me to keep track.
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Got to agree. I am Modis ardent critic. And it's a shame he got overwhelming support in the election. Probably 75 pct of Hindus voted for him.
BCCI has been shameful.
Also Indian TV hosts such as Goswamy disrespect Pakistani guests. Don't allow them to talk.
Beyond that, I don't know the politics of which nation causes more trouble to the other. The whole thing is too depressing for me to keep track.
I'll tell you my friend, it's India.
You might think I'm being biased - I'm not. Pakistan isn't an angel either and never has been but the level of intrusion by India right now is arguably higher than it's ever been. Involvement in Karachi, Balochistan, the media (Geo), isolation in sports (cricket, hockey, Kabaddi even).
Imagine if things were the opposite; India was being held back but were still on their knees begging Pakistan - to work in their films (where the roles they get are akin to softcore porn pretty much), to play cricket despite the fact Pakistan had made it clear they want nothing to do with India. On top of all this, imagine Pakistan had funded terrorism in India and continued to do so, which had resulted in the deaths of AT LEAST 60,000 civilians. Would you not want your fellow countrymen to stand up and defend their country? To point out Pakistan's wrongs when Pakistan was in the wrong?
This is what this whole discussion is about. I'm just sick and tired of Pakistanis not calling a spade a spade. We have a whole host of problems which have nothing to do with any other country but India's involvement cannot be denied and both sets of problems are linked.
I don't hate anyone. Like I said before I'm friends with many Indians (and with Israelis). You take each person on their own merit. So being labelled as "blindly hating India, blaming everything on India, being fascist", when that is not the point at all, when all I'm doing is defending Pakistan, is frankly disgusting.
Hope you get what I'm trying to say here.
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Can’t Indian sympathizers be Pakistani patriot at same time? 