you pointed out nothing miyan. bringing in pakistan studies (which is optional!) doesnt mean you dont periodically butcher minorities. gujraat was just a continuation of a legacy you guys have built for yourselves..
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GDP: purchasing power parity - $318 billion (2003 est.)
GDP - real growth rate: 5.5% (2003 est.)
GDP - per capita: purchasing power parity - $2,100 (2003 est.)
GDP - composition by sector: agriculture: 23.3%
industry: 23.5%
services: 53.2% (2003 est.)
Investment (gross fixed): 12.9% of GDP (2003)
Population below poverty line: 35% (2001 est.)
India
GDP: purchasing power parity - $3.033 trillion (2003 est.)
GDP - real growth rate: 8.3% (2003 est.)
GDP - per capita: purchasing power parity - $2,900 (2003 est.)
GDP - composition by sector: agriculture: 23.6%
industry: 28.4%
services: 48% (2002 est.)
Investment (gross fixed): 23.1% of GDP (2003)
Population below poverty line: 25% (2002 est.)
India has higher per capita GDP as well as much lower poverty than Pakistan. we are not in the 1960s anymore, are we?
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Do u know what the est there stands for?????
PS if u read the other posts, u''ll see ur desperate change of topic is plain to everyone.
^ ditto 
What we have a here is a typical shape shifting indian changing his views and beliefs to whatever is most convenient at the time. No wonder minorities get screwed in India, a difference of opinion is taboo! 
Hijaazi, why did you open this thread if you are dead against all reasoning. Is ignorance a bless in your national character?
anjjan you almost sound hurt.. dont reach for your pick axe :-s
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Hijaazi, why did you open this thread if you are dead against all reasoning. Is ignorance a bless in your national character?
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I think u meant "is ignorance a BLISS...."
(Look whose talking about ignorance)
too obvious picard 
EST = Estimated.
Let’s look at the actual figures from the World bank
World Bank India - 2003
Population, mid-year (millions) 1,064.4
Absolute GDP = $603.3 billion
Per capita GDP Absolute = $567
World Bank - Pakistan - 2003
Population, mid-year (millions) 148.4
Absolute GDP = $68.6 Billion
Per Capita GDP Absolute = $462
If you compare in terms of PPP, it would hurt even more…
Happy? 
You are the one who claimed that Pakistan’s per capita GDP is higher than India’s. So who is changing the topic? Me or you? I just busted up your false claim. Sorry if that hurt a bit
Skhan, I’d post like you too, but the problem is I prefer facts and figures to hiding behind others’ posts :hehe:
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you pointed out nothing miyan. bringing in pakistan studies doesnt mean you dont periodically butcher minorities. gujraat was just a continuation of a legacy you guys have built for yourselves..
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I've pointed out that in India:
Riots happen regularly but it is not always one-sided and rarely supported by local governments. Even in the cases where local governments have been overtly ant-Minority, the Central govt and the courts have stepped in to help the victims.
On many occasions, anti-minority violence instigators have been punished
Minorities in general enjoy equal rights under the law and have prospered, both on average as well as on an indivudal basis.
There are no laws that discriminate against minorities
We don't teach our kids to hate other faiths through textbooks nor do we instill the belief that one religion is superior to another.
On the other hand in Pakistan, I have shown with links that:
Governments have targeted sectarian or non-religious minorities with devastating effects. Religious minorities are miniscule to begin with, at about 2% of India's religious minority population.
Non-Muslims are discrimimated through easily abusable laws such as the Hudood.
Minority abusers are hardly, if ever punished
Government uses text books to teach children to hate other faiths and keep minorities under siege
Non-Muslims cannot by law become leaders or aspire for office
Let the dispassionate observer make his/her judgements.
Dude, tout your little horn all you want but all the fact and figures in the world can’t change history. Gujarati incidents are a permanent stain to any sort of credibility India has as a SECULAR nation, and from the looks of things, the situation isn’t improving.
let the dispassionate observer also note that claims 1 through 5 are highly suspect allegations. that is your POV which has been contested and has NOT been established. on the other hand, the dispassionate observer does not need to delve into anything to see that india has a tremendous minority problem, motivated primarily by the ingrained bigoted attitudes of the people.
the PERIODIC mass murders are there for everyone to see.(can you emphasise ANYTHING else after those words? HOW the heck can you talk about anything pertaining to minorities when you have those three words as a national feature??)
^^ Too bad for you Ravage is the fact that I gave dozens of Pakistani sources for my claims that:
Blaspehmy laws are used regularly in Pakistan to harass and punish non-Muslims
Gilgit type attacks occurred with State collusion/sponsorship
Textbooks teach hatred in Pakistan as per Pakistani scholars themselves
Govt has not punished Blasphemy abusers
et.c etc.
gilgit, IF it was, was not against minorities. dont fallback on that again..
as for textbooks, your claim is bogus since I've passed through that system, and both islamiat and pak studies are optional.
and again, take your pick between laws that can be twisted to 'harass' people and random prasand ramming random pickaxe into random saleem/paul/prataabh singh, raping and pillaging his home..
See above posts for links 
Mass murders happen on both sides, making it a law and order issue. And many culprits have been punished that shows the natuire of the State.
As to the “ingrained bigoted attitudes of the people,” I’d like to see someone read the SDPI report on your textbooks first
I mean, those who teach their kids that all faiths except Islam are bad should be very careful before making allegations.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_29-3-2004_pg7_19
The report deals specifically with three subjects: social studies or Pakistan studies, Urdu and English, which are compulsory for all students. It notes that though Islamiyat is not compulsory for non-Muslim students, they are taught it through other subjects. Many non-Muslim students end up taking Islamiyat anyway because they have the incentive of 25 percent extra marks.
“One may get an impression from these textbooks that Pakistan is for Muslims alone because Islamiyat is taught to all students whatever their faith, including a compulsory reading of the Holy Quran,” says the report.
**It also says that the indoctrination of Pakistan’s ‘ideology’ creates hatred against Hindus and India and that students are urged to take part in jihad and die as martyrs.
“The process of equating Muslim and Pakistani identities starts at early stages of school education. For example, the most recent National Early Childhood Education (NECE) curriculum released in March 2002 stressed the need ‘to nurture in children a sense of an Islamic identity and pride in being Pakistanis.’ There is no mention that this is to be done among Muslim students alone. The suggested material under this objective is Islamiyat, that is to be read by students of all religions,” says the report.**
The curricula for all the compulsory subjects require every Pakistani, irrespective of his or her faith, to love, respect, be proud of and practice Islamic principles, traditions, customs and rituals, says the report.
The report says the most recent Urdu textbooks in the Punjab and Islamabad have Islamic contents in the following proportion: four out of 25 lessons in Class I, eight out of 33 lessons in Class II, 23 out of 51 lessons in Class III, 10 out of 45 lessons in Class IV, seven out of 34 lessons in Class V, 14 out of 46 lessons in Class VI, 16 out of 53 lessons in Class VII, 15 out of 46 lessons in Class VIII and 10 out of 68 lessons in Class IX-X.
Similarly, Class III social studies textbooks have at least four chapters on personalities, which are invariably Muslim personalities. In Class III, the chapters are on the prophets Adam, Abraham, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon him); in Class IV, there are chapters on the prophet Muhammad (peace), Hazrat Abu Bakr, Hazrat Umar and Hazrat Khadija; and in Class V, there are chapters on Hazrat Fatima, Muhammad Bin Qasim and Shah Waliullah. “Thus all non-Muslim students in the mainstream education system are taught Islamic studies compulsorily,” says the report.
**The curriculum also forces non-Muslim students to read the Quran, not in Islamiyat classes, but in Urdu classes. Urdu textbooks for classes I to III contain lessons on reading the Quran, which violates the rights of religious minorities and the Constitution, says the report. **
The report says that the phrase ‘Ideology of Pakistan’ had no historical basis in the Pakistan Movement. “It was coined much later by political forces which needed it to sanctify their brand of politics, especially by those who had earlier been against the creation of Pakistan. It is no wonder that the Jamaat-e-Islami and people akin to the politics of the Jamaat use this phrase excessively,” says the report.
According to the report, Pakistani textbooks contain hatred for Hindus and India that reflect a sense of insecurity from the ‘enemy’ and an attempt to define one’s national identity. “The first serves the military and the second the political Islamists,” it says.
The textbooks contain military heroes, narrations of battles in which the heroes had fought, narrations of the glorious victories and victors from the Islamic history, as well as poems urging Jihad.
Talk about ingrained institutionalized and incentivized bigotry… ^^I suppose you failed these courses above or the cunning Baniyas force the journalists to lie…
and yet.. you still have the pogroms and we dont..
sad.. how organically bigotry comes to your people.
ps: you dont have to take these classes. i didnt, and i studied in a govt school in pakistan. they're optional. your research is just wrong..
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and yet.. you still have the pogroms..
sad..
ps: you dont have to take these classes. i didnt, and i studied in a govt school in pakistan. they're optional. your research is just wrong..
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Yes, pogroms are sad.
But state sponsored erasing of other faiths is sadder.
It is not my research BTW, it is a Pakistani NGO that did the research. They give names of text books, page numbers etc.
Look it up. Maybe they too are a Jewish/Hindu plot ;)
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You are the one who claimed that Pakistan's per capita GDP is higher than India's. So who is changing the topic? Me or you? I just busted up your false claim.
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Actually the figures also show the per capita of pakistan has always been higher before 2002. Ur right my info wasnt up to date. But if u look at from where all this started, it hardly proves ur point since indias gdp per cappita has been higher since only 2 years ago.
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I just busted up your false claim. Sorry if that hurt a bit
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Kind of like ur false claim that islamic studies is compulsory?
pogroms are sad , govt programs are sadder? jez. i never knew anyone finding his lung detached because of reading about hazrat harun.
religions dont thrive based on curriculum. ahmedis, parsis, agha khanis are all very cogent communities inspite of being miniscule and not being represented in the curriculum.
they would disappear if we started a tradition of hacking minorities to bits every so often like you do. and this is truly gruesome stuff. murder. rape. looting. hard to describe how animalistic people get.
i think the pogroms are worse than the social studies.
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Look it up. Maybe they too are a Jewish/Hindu plot
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jewish maybe. I dont give hindus that much credit.
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pogroms are sad , govt programs are sadder? jez. i never knew anyone finding his lung detached because of reading about hazrat harun.
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See pogroms in India have killed people of all faiths.
But your side institutionalizes and sponsors bigotry against non-Muslims.
You have laws that make non-Muslims worse than garbage. You use State mechanisms to keep telling them that their faith and religion is garbage and only Islam is good.
Is it any wonder that you have hardly any non-Muslims left?
On the Indian side, the minorities are increasing in terms of proportion of the total population.
Why would that be, if Pakistan were better for minorties than India? Huh