India, Israel and the 1983 conspiracy against Pak...

For all of you who love Israel so much… Whats even more amazing is that Israel would be stupid enough to create ANOTHER enemy in the Muslim world! That India went along, and Indra Ghandi signed off on it isnt surprising though. Stupidity of the Israel and India is mind boggling.
http://www.dawn.com/2007/10/29/top8.htm

‘Israel planned to hit Kahuta from India’s Jamnagar base’

NEW DELHI, Oct 28: India and Israel secretly planned to hit nuclear facility in Kahuta near Islamabad in 1983-84 but backed off when the CIA tipped off Pakistan’s then president Gen Ziaul Haq.

This was claimed in a report from London published in The Asian Age, citing details revealed by investigative journalists Adrian Levy and Catherine Scott-Clark in their book titled ‘Deception: Pakistan, the US and the Global Weapons Conspiracy’.

The authors highlighted India’s intelligence links with Israel at the time when the two countries did not have any diplomatic contact.

“In February 1983, with the strike plan at an advanced stage, Indian military officials had travelled secretly to Israel, which had a common interest in eliminating (Dr A.Q.) Khan, to buy electronic warfare equipment to neutralise Kahuta’s air defences,” the book said.

India put its plans on hold after Dr Raja Ramanna, the then director of the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre, was warned by the then Chairman of Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission Munir Ahmed Khan in Vienna in the autumn of 1983 that Islamabad would attack Trombay if its facilities in Kahuta were hit.

At this juncture, the book said, Israel suggested that they would carry out the raid on Kahuta, using India’s Jamnagar base in Gujarat to launch its jets and use another base in northern India for refuelling the aircraft. “In March 1984, Prime Minister Indira Gandhi signed off (on) the Israeli-led operation, bringing India, Pakistan and Israel to within a hair’s breadth of a nuclear conflagration.”

However, the authors said India and Israel backed down after the CIA tipped off Gen Zia and the US state department warned India that “the US will be responsive if India persists.”

The book further said Prime Minister Indira Gandhi had aborted the operation despite protests from military planners in New Delhi and Jerusalem.

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Israel will never like to have any Muslim country have nuclear weapons or have military strength. Not even Turkey.

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I also read that indian in the late seventies actually called zia and said 'we know what you are up to in kahuta', which prompted zia to put deploy air defence missiles there.

PS Isn't the story also that Zia sat on his whole night and PAF was on high alert, when apparently the israeli jets "mid air refueling" by the arabian sea on a trip to sri lanka? I also thought rajiv was PM of india in the eighties...

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So now you are saying that turkish military has no teeth? You do know that israelis upgraded the turkish F-4s and F-5s, right?

Anyhow, this thread is not about turkey! Turkey is more a european sidekick [esp if you see their "desire" to be all euro] than some independent muslim country..

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and didnt Pakistan send pilots to fight the Israelis in 67 and 73 ?

the enemy of my enemy is my friend

the sooner we learn not to get entangled in arab wars the better

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We did, but I think our commandos are still keeping Saudi royal family from being ousted by their own people.

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exactly...israel didn't make pakistan as its enemy. it is pakistan which made israel as its enemy and it is pakistan's stupidity, not israels.

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^^ exactly, how many arab pilots volunteered to fight for pakistan during its wars with India ?

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interesting.....but who knows what is the truth. this entire story itself could be fake. India and israel didn't have any deplomatic relations at that time. But may be RAW and mossad had established contacts.

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what does RAW stand for?

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Just b/c we're stupid doesn't mean Arabs are stupid too, but they did give us free oil...or are still doing...

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Research and Analysis Wing

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free oil?

the only country that gave us Free Oil during our wars with India was Iran

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really?....i thought they are charging you as much as they are charging others. I based this info as one of the forum members himself told oil to pakistan is not subsidized by arabs. Is it really true?. I know it is offtopic, but want to know. In return what do you guys give them?

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From what I read, SA in past provided Pakistan with free oil. However, now it is not free.

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Isrelis are clever and far-sighted people. They already knew that Pakistan is a rogue state and the generals of its army can transfer nuclear techonolgy to other countries like Iran that poses a clear danger to Isreal's existence. It has nothing to do with being muslims or non-muslims. Paksitanis consider them their enemies and Paksitan has not recognized Isreal yet, so they should be not surprised if Isrelis had planned to keep Pakistan from getting nuclear weapons. I don't know what wrong the jews have done to Pakistan that its people are so filled with hate against them.

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^^ no, its only those countries which want to destroy them

Pakistan is not obsessed with the destruction of Israel

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Not true anymore. After this goofball Aslam Beg refused to participate in Gulf War-I, our army's contracts in the middle East were promptly canceled.

Not true. Go back to WW-II, and Israel owes big time to the sacrifices of Muslim soldiers from areas that are mostly in Pakistan now.

Fast forward to 1970, and the then Brigadier Zia ul Haq beat the crap of Yaser Arafat's militants.

Obviously there are some tall tales about Pakistani pilots fighting in Syria etc. However Pakistan never had a substantial military link with the commie leftie Arab governments like Syria, Egypt, and Iraq during any of the Arab-Israeli wars.

Pakistan and Pak army were always allied with Pro-American governments in the Middle East, and they happen to be Jordan, Iran of Shah's time, and Turkey. While commie leftie Arabs were all linked with commie leftie India. Do you guys ever see pro-Pak statements coming from ex-leftie capitals of Dmascus, Cairo, or Baghdad or from Yasir Arafat? The answer is big fat "Never"!

Moreover Pakistani pilots were trained on US supplied crafts such as F-86, F-104, U-2 etc. (and much later on F-16s, C-130s) etc.

You can't just pick a pilot and expect him to do major battles on a new plane against the best of the best Israeli pilots. Countries spend years if not decades to hone ariforce skills on specific type of planes and back then Commie Migs were not our specialty.


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Coming back to this topic**, Israel never saw Pakistan as a mad anti-semitic country, so there was no reason to attack Pakistan. Indians however are a different bunch when it comes to Pakistan's strategic goals, and we should never expect good coming from them (on country level, personally they are great friends).

*If you go through the book, you find that supposedly Mossad and RAW planned the mission, then Mossad told it to CIA, and then CIA told it to ISI and the mission went bust. Man how could anyone be more melodramatic than this?
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So there goes an "Israeli" plan thanks to these "leaks" from Mossad. Hahaha!

If you guys have any iota of knowledge about Mossad's workings, you would never expect any leaks whatsoever. I mean just see what happened to Syrian nukies few weeks ago. Israelis did the bombing, then told Syria, and then Syria said "Ouch". This is how Mossad (or any sane force) plans their missions, that the enemy comes to know about it well after they are hit.

If at all, Mossad helped Pakistan by figuring out what Indians were upto and then passed those plans on via "friends" to Pakistan.

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awww ok. Thanks bud

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I've heard during Nawaz's term(s) as PM, KSA was pretty close to Pakistan in the sense of giving and helping out whenever we fell short but i guess we won't see much of that any time soon. Now they just feel that NS smooched off them, then couldn't even keep a 'formal promise'.