Re: India 'financed problems' for Pakistan via Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel
No it does not.
You gave example of North Korea. That is neither immediate neighbor nor a distant co-religionists. It is considered an evil country.
Sorry North Korea just came to mind as I was watching a newsclip featuring Dennis with Kim at a basketball game in NK. No offence meant. it was just an example of a country with which we have no cultural affinity.
Re: India 'financed problems' for Pakistan via Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel
Its a two way street, if Pakistan has been sponsoring insurgency in Kashmir, Indians have been doing the same. India is not as innocent as the Indians try to portray...
well i guess Pak has first mover advantage here, and India was reluctantly forced to retaliate
Re: India 'financed problems' for Pakistan via Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel
well i guess Pak has first mover advantage here, and India was reluctantly forced to retaliate
When did Bangladesh and Pashtunistan happen? If we keep on repeating the same cycle we will be discussing the same thing 100 years from now.
Re: India 'financed problems' for Pakistan via Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel
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How do Pakistanis in your opinion demonstrate this "thekadari"? Can you give me some examples of Pakistanis exerting this thekadari over Islam in the global setting?
Every time Pakistan butts into the 'so called' plight of Indian Muslims, Pak is demonstrating its thekedari over the religion. Indian Muslims are capable of looking after themselves and do not need Pakistani to speak on their behalf.
Showing concern for indian Muslims, a group Pakistanis were members of at one time, is hardly being the Thekadars of Islam. Islam omprises nearly 1.5 Billion people, how has Pakistan tried to exert its thekadari over all of them?
And for that matter, how in your opinion have Pakistanis butted into the affairs of Indian Muslims? Specific examples, with actual documented evidence, not general statement or conjecture?
Re: India 'financed problems' for Pakistan via Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel
well i guess Pak has first mover advantage here, and India was reluctantly forced to retaliate
How about Indian support from Bengali rebels in 1971?
Should Pakistan stand idly by as India continues its illegal occupation? Sponsoring insurgency is not something new, the US has done it on a number of occasions. its justified on the basis of freedom from occupiers. Pakistan's actions while ill planned, were at least in the same vein.
Re: India 'financed problems' for Pakistan via Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel
So holding entire nations hostage to the likes and dislikes of a few is inherently wrong, whether in Pak or India, thats why I feel its better that the status quo is maintained and all move on
Yeah, the Kashmiris under India dont want to be Indian... How are you not then holding them hostage under the status quo?
Re: India 'financed problems' for Pakistan via Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel
You want to step outside?
Nah I like you to much Southie...
Re: India ‘financed problems’ for Pakistan via Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel
People in Kashmir feel terrorized by the Indian army and state… What does that make them?
UNHCR | Refworld | India’s Secret Army in Kashmir: New Patterns of Abuse Emerge in the Conflict
Shameful considering India is a democracy, that prides itself on justice, and has an Army that is supposedly professional.
And to top it off, they have passed laws that instead of defending the basic rights of Kashmiris, defends the right of security forces to not be prosecuted! Ever heard of POTO?
Re: India 'financed problems' for Pakistan via Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel
. India is not as innocent as the Indians try to portray...
of course India is involved you have them and the Americans behind many of the bombs and they itching for sectarians conflicts from balochistan to karachi
they don't want a stable pakistan that is fact!
Re: India 'financed problems' for Pakistan via Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel
Im giving you common sense. What you said is naive and screams of someone with little sense of how the world works.
What stuff have we made up?
Ad hominem attacks will not help you here. You sound like just another in a long line of imbeciles who will quickly become irrelevant on this forum. Welcome to GupShup.
You and people like you made a big deal out of Chuck Hagel's statement from 2011 because he has become DefSec now. So I pointed out that even Pentagon is rushing to 'clarify'. I also said you guys think India is behind the nonsense going on in Pakistan only because of your own guilty conscience.
Your come back to that was to ask me if I was a fly in the wall - this is where your comical crescendo started - and then immediately proceeded to explain what Pentagon means by 'clarify' - obviously you must have been a fly in the pentagon wall!
Re: India 'financed problems' for Pakistan via Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel
So east pakistan never happened?
Re: India 'financed problems' for Pakistan via Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel
^ are you asking me? Yeah it happened and it is called Bangla Desh. What about it?
It is a mental sop for many Pakistanis to blame India for the separation of BD. As a sop it is probably an effective one but not based on truth. They probably teach kids in Pakistan that bad hindooos did that.
Unfortunately the truth has been out and well known for some time now. You may google it.
The Indian participation ofcourse was when millions of your countrymen started seeking refuge in India. Something had to be done to stop that.
None of that would have been necessary if you guys had stuck to even basic rudiments of civility in governance;keeping religion, government and military in their places and seeking normal relationships with ypur neighbors. But no, you had to keep all the power in the West with the West Punjabis and continue treating the people of East Pakistan as crap. No wonder they through you out!
Re: India ‘financed problems’ for Pakistan via Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel
So then Pakistans role in Kashmir is completely justified… Why r u still wasting our time with your nonsense?
We teach our kids that Hindooooooooos (you left out a couple of o’s in your spelling) suck the blood of children who dont go to sleep when their told…
Your going to tell me you dont have a taste for the blood of naughty young Pakistani children!?!?! I refuse to believe that!
You have a serious chip on your shoulder… Someone must not have been hugged enough when they were young… 
Re: India 'financed problems' for Pakistan via Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel
DId you read your own post? and accuse me of ad hominem attack! more you write funnier it gets!
Since you don't have even a basic ability to argue a point without obfuscating and making things up as you go, I will give it top you in simpler terms.
You and people like you made a big deal out of Chuck Hagel's statement from 2011 because he has become DefSec now. So I pointed out that even Pentagon is rushing to 'clarify'. I also said you guys think India is behind the nonsense going on in Pakistan only because of your own guilty conscience.
Your come back to that was to ask me if I was a fly in the wall - this is where your comical crescendo started - and then immediately proceeded to explain what Pentagon means by 'clarify' - obviously you must have been a fly in the pentagon wall!
Once you had thus started making an ass of yourself, you just couldn't stop!
Calling you a fly on the wall is not an insult dummy (although this is). Its called sarcasm... Your statement implies that you are privy to information that others are not. Your assumption is that Indians are docile and well intentioned, but you base that on nothing at all.
The statment about what it means to "clarify" doesnt imply that I have any inside information. It is common sense. There is always the "OFFICIAL" statements, and there are are statements that are of the cuff. This is common sense. You have to be an idiot to not understand that common sense is just that, common. What you did was imply something (Indian intentions) which you have no way to verifying unless you were some how privy to classified info which you are not.
Re: India 'financed problems' for Pakistan via Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel
Sorry North Korea just came to mind as I was watching a newsclip featuring Dennis with Kim at a basketball game in NK. No offence meant. it was just an example of a country with which we have no cultural affinity.
You need to use brain when posting. All your posts have been ridiculous and senseless so far with mixed up thoughts. Absolutely no good reasoning or logic. You talk about the whole world but failed to acknowledge the closeness of Punjabis and Pakistan with Kashmiris.
Somehow, I knew Southie will come and like yout post. ;)
Re: India 'financed problems' for Pakistan via Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel
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[quote="Med911, post:34, topic:278529"]
And for that matter, how in your opinion have Pakistanis butted into the affairs of Indian Muslims? Specific examples, with actual documented evidence, not general statement or conjecture?
Your Home MInister recently butted into our Internal affairs by asking the Indian State to provide security to SRK. That was totally unwarranted....there are many other such instances....I am not inclined to google them now.
Re: India 'financed problems' for Pakistan via Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel
Yeah, the Kashmiris under India dont want to be Indian... How are you not then holding them hostage under the status quo?
Has anyone asked all the Kashmiris that? They seem to be regularly voting their local government, and participating greatly in voting their central government in Delhi.
If as you say ALL of them dont want to be Indian, then there would be zero turn out at local and national elections.
Re: India 'financed problems' for Pakistan via Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel
^ are you asking me? Yeah it happened and it is called Bangla Desh. What about it?
I dont see the Bangladeshi's cribbing about India having assisted in breaking up their glorious nation and separating them from their dear brothers in West Pakistan.
Re: India 'financed problems' for Pakistan via Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel
Absolutely no good reasoning or logic. You talk about the whole world but failed to acknowledge the closeness of Punjabis and Pakistan with Kashmiris.
Somehow, I knew Southie will come and like yout post.
I still maintain that there is no cultural affinity between a Sindhi and a Kashmiri and a Baloch and a Kashmiri and between Mojairs and Kashmiris. So unless by your logic all Pakistanis are Punjabi's, not all Pakistanis have a cultural affinity with the Kashmiris, they merely are co-religionists.
Re: India 'financed problems' for Pakistan via Afghanistan: Chuck Hagel
I still maintain that there is no cultural affinity between a Sindhi and a Kashmiri and a Baloch and a Kashmiri and between Mojairs and Kashmiris. So unless by your logic all Pakistanis are Punjabi's, not all Pakistanis have a cultural affinity with the Kashmiris, they merely are co-religionists.
who are these peoples?