Increasing Divorce Rate

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High divorce rates shouldn't make us question really what couples are doing wrong, but how these rishtaas come to be in the first place, actually.

When you keep making bad business deals, isn't the first thing you question yourself on is "what am I doing to keep meeting these wrong people?" Cut the problem at the root. Our whole rishtaa-seeking process - arranged and non-arranged - is all crap. Even for most "love marriages", family comes into the picture somewhere along the line, and parents are allowing for even these love marriages to take place.

So why arent our wise sages (buzurkhs) picking up on the scent of a bad match early enough?

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Thats why i think we should do it like arabs. Get nikhaed at your engagement, that way you get to spend alot of time with each other and each others' familes and then if it doesnt work our you are only breaking an engagement, not getting divorced.

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Uh... come again?

dude...if u break ur nikkah... that's a divorce, simple..

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huh??????????

but if you get nikkahfied at your engagement you ARE married, and if you break it off, by defnition, you ARE getting divorced.

Please don't bring Arabs into this - its like the blind leading the blind.

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I think divorce in our culture is overrated. Divorced ppl have such a hard time starting over and its like they are dead or something.

Anyways my point is, if two people are nikhaed and they spend enough time together getting to know each other better, chances are they wont have that many problmes later on.

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^ The only way out of a nikah is a divorce. Kind of defeats the whole purpose of the exercise, doesn't it?

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Perhaps its better to be engaged first so they can talk a lot and get to know each other.

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Its easier and the taboo has decreased. I dont see why people should live in misery for an eternity if they arent happy. Everyone else needs to get over it.

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Hiccup: Even for an Eskimo living in a gloomy Igloo you have a sunshine of a thought.

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All that kharcha on weddings doesn't help - people really start off on the wrong foot. We are so ungrateful, if people did things the Islamic way, there wouldn't be problems. Some of the problems I've seen:

  • too much focus on wedding expenditures and stuff done for 'dhikava' - this always leads to problems.
  • allowing the boy and girl to spend time together alone - hello people, this is wrong Islamically.
  • going for money and aesthetics rather than the more important aspects of a person.
  • rushing into things without proper Islamic guidance.

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An igloo is actually quite warm. Science 101 - ice is an insulator. I am a good decorator and no - you’r e not invited in.

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Assumption, assumption, assumptions, my dear!

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new shadi plan cuases the first one to fail

let ppl experience diff flavors yoo !

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Catty - the state should sponsor some sort of mandatory class for every soon-to-be married couple:

Islamic Marriage 101 (for muslim pakistanis of course - minorities need not attend).

Also should be offered are electives:

How to be a Good Saas 101
How to be an uninterfering Saas 102
Your brother is Married, now what do you do? 101
How to not interfere in your daughter's marriage life, yet at the same time support her if she's in a sticky situation like getting her head hammered with a hathora every night 101
Grand-parenting 101

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hahaha! do you really think the problems come down to interfering in-laws?

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As my last post on GS for a long time with the Sept summit coming up i want to lay out some rough pebbles to swallow. The first issue with marriage these days is that people look at material things. Not just the parents. But you lot and the people in your age group. Does he have an education i can agree with? Does he have a job i like? Does he have a high paying income and yet can spend hours with me?

Then there is the whole desan issue. I am pretty disappointed with what i have seen in the US and in Europe. I mean just because you have an education and don't speak broken english does not mean you are better or special than anyone else. That means you are average. You have reached a level where everybody should be. If you take it from that point of view you lot should not have a problem finding a guy.

I frankly agree with medic. I would only suggets a girl now from back home, or someone abroad who hasn't lost her sense of identity or faith. Luckily i have found someone like that.

On top of that is the issue of compromise. People in a marriage see it as a negotiation for power. Not one of commitment. Who will control what and get what they want. Desans are spoiled. They don't have to work. They don't have to do anything really except do the house work. They have their family specifically brothers do everything for them. Added to that the airs of importance because they are educated you have one uncompromising selfish woman. Most guppans fit that bill. I could name names, but hey whats the use in statrting a fight when i won't be around to respond :D

The first thing desans should learn is how to be decent wives. They have lived with their families and been spoiled. It is time they learnt how their mothers handled things. Every desan still wants to be the one catered too. They never want to take the responsibility that their mother has. Look at what your mothers do. They aren't just the ones that cook or clean. They are the ones that in 99% of the cases make sure that the psychological and emotional state of the household is kept intact. A woman makes or breaks her house. Not the man.

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In summary girls, learn how to cook! That’s all that is expected of you. :smiley:

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Hm honestly, I'm spoiled shiiitless like CM just described but I know that it will definitely not last for long! I know life will be drastically different afterwards, and i'll be the one working, whether at home or formal career is another story, but it wnt' be how it si now. I enjoy my life now, but only coz I know it won't last. :D

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CM, come here you :hug:

See, women make or break houses not men :smash:

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As my last post on GS for a long time with the Sept summit coming up i want to lay out some rough pebbles to swallow. The first issue with marriage these days is that people look at material things. Not just the parents. But you lot and the people in your age group. Does he have an education i can agree with? Does he have a job i like? Does he have a high paying income and yet can spend hours with me?

**Well, no use replying to you since you won’t reply back but I’m gonna give it a shot…Education and job are important. You wouldn’t want to marry someone who worked at mcDonalds or had only a high school diploma. However, yes it can be taken too far as, you wouldn’t want someone who majored in English, or he has to have a job on wallstreet, or some bullshiit like that. If a girl were to turn a guy down coz of what he studied then she must be really freakin rich or gorgeous to be so damn picky. **

Then there is the whole desan issue. I am pretty disappointed with what i have seen in the US and in Europe. I mean just because you have an education and don’t speak broken english does not mean you are better or special than anyone else. That means you are average. You have reached a level where everybody should be. If you take it from that point of view you lot should not have a problem finding a guy.

**Again I don’t know anyone whos been so snotty about their education. I’ll get my bachelors, masters in english, writing, whatever, does that make me better? No. Too many ppl look down on others coz of wat they choose to study, i’ve esp seen comments here tha****t psychology or english majors are stupid or sissies or whatever.

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I frankly agree with medic. I would only suggets a girl now from back home, or someone abroad who hasn’t lost her sense of identity or faith. Luckily i have found someone like that.

Desans are spoiled. They don’t have to work. They don’t have to do anything really except do the house work. They have their family specifically brothers do everything for them. Added to that the airs of importance because they are educated you have one uncompromising selfish woman. Most guppans fit that bill. I could name names, but hey whats the use in statrting a fight when i won’t be around to respond :smiley:

**I think ur talking about me :bummer: But to my defense, I KNOW full well that it ain’t gonna last, I can say I dont wanna get married for a long time, but I’ve been wanting to for quite a while now so I should enjoy whatever I have now til it’s over :hula:
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The first thing desans should learn is how to be decent wives.

**Hm… many of us have mothers who lived in differnet times, different rules./society/culture with different expectations of em than us… Many of the things my mother dealt with, I could never deal with. Some would say I’m weak or spoiled, some would say that I’m more “modern” or “empowered” . But does this mean that we won’t make decent wives? Women of my mom’s generation, at least from family stories that I’ve heard, were encouraged to take all the bullshiit that came at them, from in laws, society etc, and not complain or fight back, and i think that’s still teh case sometimes… if i decide to fight back wud that make someone a bad wife/bad person? **