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The grandparents having the final say on naming the kids & the maternal grandparents being discriminated are 2 separate issues.

However, in THIS thread....in OPs situation.....based on what she wrote.....the husband seems to be the main problem. OP of this thread has not shared anything that leads me to believe that her in-laws are being unreasonable. Heck unless I'm mistaken, I don't remember reading anywhere that the FIL even insisted that he name the child.

In this particular thread, it seems to be the husband's inability to take his wife's feelings into consideration.

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Would suggest to OP not to make this into a power struggle. You know your husband well. If you think you can tactfully get a fair resolution go for it. If you KNOW your husband will throw a hissy fit just don't bother. Suck it up and play it cool. Om shanti shanti shantihi!

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It is a big deal, I disagree with those who don't see it as such. The guy's dismissive attitude toward his wife is very disturbing. She needs to stand up for herself and it doesn't have to be in an aggressive way.

If he doesn't budge, OP...just give him a very sharam-naak, nauseatingly lovey-dovey nickname and make sure to call him by it around his guy friends. Pick something he won't be able to live down. That's right, girl!!!...Show him who's wearing the diaper in this jung (him of course).

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Muzna, when OP's parents are being actively excluded it is not "perceived" discrimination - it is actual discrimination. I doubt any woman is going to feel "loved" or "honored" when she's being told she has no say in deciding her firstborn's name. I doubt any woman is going to feel "loved" or "honored" when she's being told her father and mother's opinion is irrelevant. With all due respect, we have enough men implying women are prone to hormone-induced irrationality without you suggesting this is what OP might be experiencing. She's pregnant, yes, but her posts are sensible and her concerns are valid. Noting that pregnancy makes one 'emotional' so her husband needs to make 'extra' efforts with her makes it sound like she's being unreasonable while he's being overwhelmed. He isn't even showing basic respect, so the question of him being "more" sensitive is moot. We've all urged her to be subtle, non-confrontational, tactful. Why is it 'understood' that she has to bend over backwards, that too while pregnant, when he can't even meet her halfway like a grown adult? (Diaper is right, @The Last Straw).

It's 'understood' that her parents won't partake in the naming. It's 'understood' that the birth of a child holds more significance for the father's side vs. the mother's side. It's 'understood' that the word compromise applies primarily to women. She's constantly walking on eggshells around him and his short temper. Yet whether the scales are imbalanced here is a matter of "perception."

While the Quran does give precedence to all things male, I'm not aware that it grants naming-powers to the father's family. Since we agree it's a patriarchal system, why not throw the mother a bone? Let her decide the first name as a consolation prize. After all, the child defacto gets his father's identity and the paternal grandfather's lineage will be represented for generations to come. But she's expected to gestate for 9 months, risk fistulas and permanent incontinence to push out another human being, only to be told to "stay out of it, what's your problem?"

But hey, our claim to fame is heaven under our feet. What's in a name, anyway.

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Ladies, your anecdotes are heartening, but the fact that your mothers are content not being given a choice doesn't make this practice just, nor is it instructive to other women. This is about principle (for me anyway). For that matter, many women make peace with and remain content in unfavorable circumstances. And guess what, they still 'live,' don't they.

Good luck S_Punk, I hope everything works out. I say get pregnant with twins next and name them King and Kong just for sh!ts and giggles. We all need some comic relief here.

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^You're way too overworked about this issue. Calm down.

I think like someone else suggested and OP also said, she is comfortable speaking to her FIL and will do so. There is no need to create a fuss and ho-ha about how oppressed we are as wives or bahus over something as petite as choosing a name and that also a name OP doesnt hate and has not expressed her view to other than her husband.

I'm sure OP is perfectly fine in her relationship with her husband and her inlaws as well.

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Tea and biscuits sometimes I want to squish you so hard it hurts me just thinking about it!!

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seriously asians are so messed up! let the mom and dad choose the name for Goodness sakes!

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^ I don't think the discussion on our roles has anything to do with OP. I think we kinda started talking about things that're actually separate topics from what the OP started. We realize that OP is planning on talking to her FIL per her post. But now the discussion seems to have taken a general term.

On a site note: Whether or not the picking the name of a child is a petty issue is not for you or anyone else to judge. We all have our personal beliefs and things that matter to us in life. There are brides out there who're ok with the idea of someone else choosing their bridal. But many other's aren't. There are wives out there who don't mind living in a joint family. But many other's aren't. There are wives out there who want to be SAHM....but other's don't. Many women out there don't mind someone else picking the name for their child.....but on the flip side, many women want take an active role in picking the name.

The list goes on. I understand and respect that YOU don't mind if someone else has total control on naming your child and wants you to stay out of it. But many women out there don't feel this way. No one really has any right to tell a parent (whether it's the father or mother) that an issue is petty when it comes to their child. It's something they feel strongly about....and everyone else needs learn to RESPECT the father & mother of the child, and not impose their own views on them.

** The above comments do not apply to OPs case since her in-laws are not the ones pushing for the name.

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^ LIKE

chaibiscuits - great response!

Considering what my MIL named my husband and his siblings and the names she wanted to name them, I already told her that sorry, you will not be naming my kids. And she agreed. They will be my kids, and it will be my right. Hubby also has no issue with me naming my own child, since the child will have his last name.

Alhumdulillah for me!

Women don't have to feel "hormonal" to have these type of feelings of naming their own child. If she wants to give up that right and let the grandparents chose, good for her. But she shouldn't have to be forced to.

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Asians?
No, just a few families in some countries.

I believe that names are important considering we identify people by their name. Now if your son was called Shun you would think he was Oriental Asian if he was called Robert you would think he was Caucasian and so on.
Parents I believe should have the right to name their child because they will be calling them more often and you don't want to be disciplining a child with a name that you're not really fond of.

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Muzna: I'm curious since this is something that was not mentioned in your post. Do you have any brothers? If so then did your parents choose the names for his children? With your children, did anyone ever ask your parents their opinion regarding the name?

I'm happy that the situation worked out for you. As I've said many times in various posts.....not everyone has the same priorities. We all choose different "battles" to fight.

Considering the fact that we have very non-traditional, non-desi names....lol.....its a very safe assumption on my part to think that my dada/dadi had no say in our names. As the daughter of parents who have no sons, I would find it highly insulting towards me and my parents if I was in a situaion where my husband's parents were given the final authority in deciding the name. It would not make me feel "loved" or any closer to in-laws. It would only make me resentful. I fail to see any love or positive feelings towards situations like this where the control is taken from the mother and/or father, and automatically handed over to the paternal side.

What message does this give to people who have daughters? That their feelings/opinions only count until the nikahnama is signed? If we continue the attitude that its somehow "ok" for the paternal side to have control, and the maternal side needs to stay out of the couples life......then can we really blame people who have abortions just b/c the fetus is a female? Heck if I didn't know any better, I myself wouldn't want to raise daughter knowing that once they're married, I won't matter.

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You're right, petite was a wrong word to use.

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@chaibiskut

I think i’m in love with you. :blush:

as to the topic on hand. I am not one for the practice of paternal grandparents naming babies. in my opinion, that right belongs to the parents with slight advantage to the one who did the bearing (it aint an easy job, folks).

OP: i like your plan.

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Chaibiskut and Paheli ...... very good replies.....

we need more posters like you.....:)

muzna... u can open up a new thread and teach me some good things about our culture when it comes to handling relationships with wives/DIL's and inlaws .. :-)
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Yes...I have 4 elder and one younger brother.
And yes.....my parents did choose names for their children......in fact....it was a community exercise....everyone had an opinion including the DILs and everyone was given an opportunity to make a suggestion. The decision was left to the parents and they sought final approval from my parents.

Were my parents consulted? Well....sadly my mother was in hospital and passed away a month after Noor was born. During this time she was in no condition to contribute her opinion. My elder brothers and bhabhis were consulted and they did veto some of the names that we had picked. The short list was presented to my MIL and FIL for approval.

I've high-lighted the point that I mean to stress here. There are going to be many battles in life and we need to choose wisely which we are going to fight. Ultimately we have the ability to let the smallest mole hills become huge mountains or to reduce monumental circumstances into minor, insignificant bumps in the road to happiness.

Here are the choices that I see I have as a parent of a female child:
I can teach my daughter to view every opinion contrary to hers' as an attack on her being/self-esteem/dignity or I can teach her to be an intelligent individual capable of seeing more than one aspect to a problem and able to find a non-aggressive path to resolution. Which do I think will net her a happier life? I'm sure you can guess my opinion.

In a well-orchestrated union of two families there shouldn't be any lop-sided decisions.......ultimately both families should come together as one and share in joyous events like the birth of a child. After all both sets of parents should realize that the child would not come into existence without their respective contributions. Unfortunately this is a rarity so my objective is to raise a child that hopefully will end up in a good situation but in the event that she is faced with these challenges I don't want her to perceive them as acts against her or her family.

I think in simple words what i'm trying to say is that rather than make an issue bigger than it already is for the OP, our efforts should be to console and calm her and help her to find an amicable way to accomplish what she would like.

On a side note: when I was talking about perceived discrimination et al I was referring in general....not specific to the OP's situation.

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good....this is precisely what I had hoped to accomplish with my post.

my mother's choice was her choice......was it just? I guess it really doesn't matter. the point of sharing that story was to illustrate that there can be a positive ending to what seems to be a very negative situation......so in a way it really was instructive for those that want to see the wisdom in it.

and you are absolutely entitled to hold your principles dear. by the same token, a woman that "chooses" to not fight this battle is no less justified in her decision.

as far as "unfavorable circumstances" are concerned......this would be subjective judgement as what I find unfavorable, you may not.

you are right.....no woman would feel loved or honored if she is not given a voice......and I suppose my suggestion is that there are bigger underlying factors at play when this is the case....but I don't believe that this is the case here. maybe I am wrong.

yes....indeed good luck to S_Punk and double yes to we all hope that things work out for you.
and I think chaibiscuit's suggestion of King and Kong is great for the twins to be!

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YOU are awesome! :flowers:

This goes back to an argument I had with my mom about how in Islam women are second class citizens. But that’s a different discussion for a different day.