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I wrote that ‘IF’ a project is budgeted for $10 billion than initial kickbacks and corruption happens of the order of $3 billion, followed by lower level corruption, while true cost spent on project would be around $4 billion. I was not referring to any particular project, but was referring to extend of corruption, how it happens in proportion to total cost … and that is easier done if company is foreign, as local companies may spill the bean.

Coalition support funds is paid directly to State Bank of Pakistan and so do IMF loans. … On the other hand, your information is wrong. In 1999, Pakistan had IMF loan, but it was Musharraf who paid up all IMF loan in 2004 and took Pakistan out of IMF programs. It was first time since 1974 that Pakistan had no IMF loan and was run without IMF dictation. So, how can you say that Musharraf took IMF loan?

On the other hand, in 2009, Zardari government again went to IMF and took huge loan to be paid (directly to State bank) in instalment (huge loan was possible because Musharraf left economy in robust condition that was growing fast, so IMF obliged, and gave huge loan, what never happened before for Pakistan) … and later once NS government came into Power, Pakistan went to IMF for further loans.

Actually, all loans Pakistan take, it goes directly to State Bank. Corruption happens in projects or issuing of expensive loan bonds that corrupt government cronies buy themselves … and here (issuing expensive bonds that were bought by government cronies), NS is specialist.

Further, when government spend on projects paying foreign companies, dollar from state bank is used … or foreign companies (occasionally foreign governments) gives loan to cover the cost of those projects. Here, part of payment received by foreign companies is given to corrupts as commission. These commission do not even see Pakistani soil, rather get paid abroad in the accounts of these corrupts. Even when foreign companies are paid by State Bank (in dollars), corrupts receive their cut abroad from foreign companies. So, state bank is never involved in paying dollars to Haramkhor corrupts directly.

Most project goes through budgeting. Whenever Haramkhor corrupts are in power, commission is included in budgeting these projects. When projects are given, any company who are not working with Haramkhors, they do not get project, even if their bid is lowest, Many time, their bid do not even get entertained … and thus there is many news that highest bidder got the project and lower bidders are ignored (or bid not even entertained). Many time, Haramkhors do not even give project after bidding (… recent example is billions of dollar worth LNG import project given to Qatari Prince whose letter was to save Haramkhor swine in Pajama Leak case. In this project, Qatari would get over a billion dollar guaranteed profit each year … no open bidding happened) … NS is expert here, though Zardari is not far behind,

Biggest corruption is done by Haramkhor Swines, when project overshoots the budget and Haramkhor government readily approves that overshoot cost (happens as the project progresses) … as there is always big cut in that overshoot cost for Haramkhor Swines

So, for observing corruption, see what was the budgeted amount (if that amount was above normal or not) and how much was actual cost to complete the project at the end (how much was overshoot cost above budget). You will see that NS is expert here too (though Zardari was not far behind).

If you will see the record, you will find that most big projects in recent past happened (started and finished) during Musharraf time, and best part is that, these projects got completed most economically. Regardless … you are right that country is underdeveloped and need big projects, but that does not mean projects should cost 2 to 3 times what it normally should or Haramkhor Swines eating up national exchequer to get these project done.

Just imagine: Pakistan external debt in 1999 (when Musharraf came to power) was around $40 billion … and this external debt stayed $40 billion when Musharraf lost power in early 2008 … and best part was that, most debt that was left had lower interest than debt inherited by Musharraf government .. means, Musharraf government replaced expensive short term debt with cheaper long term debts, making repayment of debt easier and saving huge dollar amount for Pakistan. Still, Pakistan completed many projects during Musharraf government, surprisingly at very nominal cost. Some projects were completed at quarter of the cost what corrupt Haramkhor governments of BB and NS were budgeting, saving Pakistan billions of rupees in those projects. …

On top of that, Pakistan seen highest growth rate ever during Musharraf period, export increased from ~$7 billion in 1999 to over $18 billion in 2008 … Pakistan dollar reserves increased from less than half billion dollar to at time over $16 billion (if one use present government argument that external debt should be seen as (debt - reserve) .. than during Musharraf time, foreign debt got reduced from $40 billion to around $24 billion) … and best part hat all can see is that … dollar stayed stable throughout during 8 years of Musharraf rule.

Just imagine, Pakistan GDP was around $65 billion in 1999 that increased to around $180 billion in 2008, almost 3 times or 300 percent in 8 years … and now, after 9 years of Haramkhors in power, GDP increased to around $300 billion, that is only 66 percent more what it was in 2008. So, why is that?

Do you know … Pakistan defaulted twice in Pakistan history and both happened when NS was PM and $Daar was Finance Minister, that is, in late 1998 and again in early 1999. On top of that, IMF and World bank accused Pakistan of fudging the figures submitted to IMF and WB (by Ishaq Daar), for which Musharraf government had to pay substantial fine.

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I was referring about his position as 12th man in Acheson college team without playing any match and money
here comes the man famous for money launding
Rashid Ali Khan famous as Rashid Khan Not less than Qatri and Gold Smiths
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It is really sad how haramkhors and their cronies behave like animals and make comments that make no sense. No doubt, they should behave like animals as all their life they ate haram money, but at least they should have some shame, some dignity, but it seems they have no shame or dignity.

Anyhow, I was watching Imran Khan speech in NA, and I believe anyone who would hear, would realise that he is making sense … Unlike Haramkhor Swine Nawaz Sharif, who whenever open his mouth, he Lies, Lies and keep on Lying,

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Your post is too long so will reply when I get to read it in full. But first part of your post. Saleem are you really so clueless about what Im saying or pretending to be clueless.

All the criminals and unethical people are that way due to the moral corruption which is a part of them. So without being (morally) corrupt, one cant commit a crime or unethical acts. Who goes to police to lodge an FIR if dodged by a street fruit vendor? Infact, in Pakistan very few lodge a police complaint even if cheated for huge sums of money. So even if those people are criminals in the books of law, still their actions came out of a defect in their personality. The defect being moral corruption. So I still look at those street vendors acts as acts of corruption. Yes, worldly, it may be considered a crime but I dont know of anyone who lodges a police complaint in such dodge cases. So I was very clear in my mind when I wrote corrupt to describe to street vendors.

If you still dont understand me then sorry I cant simolify further.

The rest of your post will read and reply later.

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When I went back to PK for the last time ever 22 years ago I was cheated and lied to every single day and in every single transaction. From taxi drivers, to police, to custom officers, to Khansamas stealing my chit to porters etc. I for one understand exactly what you are saying.

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Let me ask , I knew most here are residing abroad
So every one knew that there is no problem to buy any property anywhere if your income is from abroad and you don’t need any Tex amnesty for any such property in Pakistan . You have to go for an amnesty when you have some illegal money and it is much sure this tax amnesty was obtained to cover the looted money of the corrupt father .
یہ سب جانتےہیں اگربیرون ملک آمدن ہوتوپاکستان میں نہ ٹیکس دیناپڑتاہےنہ کسی ایمنٹسی کی ضرورت ایساصرف کرپٹ باپ کاحرام چھپانےکےلئےکیا گیا ہو گا
[RIGHT]عمران خان نااہلی کیس: عدالت نے مزید دستاویزات طلب کرلیں
سپریم کورٹ نے پی ٹی آئی کے چیئرمین عمران خان کی نااہلی سے متعلق کیس کی سماعت 31 جولائی تک ملتوی کردی۔
عمران خان نااہلی کیس: عدالت نے مزید دستاویزات طلب کرلیں - Pakistan - Dawn News Urdu
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SC orders PTI lawyer to submit all necessary documents tomorrow, adjourns case proceedings until July 31.
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Imran khan and his hypocrisy and lies exposed.

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I would like to ask you one simple question. Please do not lie, do not get upset, and tell truthfully.

I think you drink, gamble, have taken drugs and sleep around … So, tell me honestly, that:

Do you drink, gamble, have taken drugs and sleep around?
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Sorry. I know most would get upset if someone ask such questions … but why?

Because drinking, taking drugs, gambling or sleeping around … (and many words like that) … have default meaning … that is:

Drinking … by default it is linked with consuming alcohol.
Taking drug … by default it is linked with consuming cannabis, cocaine, Heroine … and similar addictive substance.
Gambling … by default it automatically get associated with games where money is risked.
Sleeping around … by default it means, womanising or … sleeping with different women.

Right?

So, it is obvious that most people would get upset if someone accuse them of these things.

But … But … But …

Drinking can also mean … drinking water:
Taking drugs also means … taking medicine, even aspirin and paracetamol is drug.
Gambling … can also mean, gambling in ‘life decisions’ to better one’s life.
Sleeping around: … can also mean, spending time at various places.

… But … if these words are used without adjective or context than only an ‘idiot’ would ignore default meaning and consider something different.

Same is with ‘Corrupt’ and ‘Corruption’. On its own, by default it is used for government officials (or people holding public offices), abusing and misusing entrusted state power, or doing something illegal to do nepotism and/or gain financially in any way, Corrupt and Corruption is not used for general public.

Only Haramkhors like Nawaz, Zardari, Bhuttos, Daars, and their Cronies, especially their retarded supporters, to make people fool and for political purpose, link this word with general public.

For general public who have no state power, corruption is not used. The worse they can do is crime, that is all.

As for corruption, it is worse than worse of crimes, as in any country, it is due to corrupts crime and all sorts of wrong flourishes.

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[RIGHT]ہانگیر ترین نے تسلیم کیا کہ ان کے بچوں کی آف شور کمپنی ہے جب کہ انہوں نے الیکشن کمیشن میں مختلف بیان دیا اور ٹیکس گوشواروں سے متعلق دیا گیا بیان مختلف ہے۔
درخواست میں کہا گیا ہے کہ جہانگیر ترین نے 5 سال کے دوران اپنے بچوں کو ایک ارب 45 کروڑ روپے کی رقم تحفے میں دی جب کہ انہوں نے 2015 میں تقریبا 7 کروڑ روپے بطور تحفہ بچوں سے وصول کیے اور ایس ای سی پی نے جہانگیر ترین کو شو کاز نوٹس بھی جاری کیا ہے۔[/RIGHT]
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Hi Bobby,

Dont know hoe things were 22 years ago but now it definitely seems could not be worse.

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Ouch!!! that would be so hard to deal with.

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I will give you an example of a memory that haunts me and was to a degree responsible for me walking away from the culture. As 3rd year Engineering students we go on a ghundagardi tour called the industrial tour, sometimes they would pull our rail car off and leave it at the station for a night or two. While our rail car was parked at night on Multan station a teenager blind girl came begging and these ghunda quota system Pathans, Balochs and Sindhis sons of feudal lords grabbed the poor girl took her in the rail car and gang raped her. I didnt see it personally but they were walking triumphantly the next morning with big grins on their faces gloating about it. There was absolutely no remorse and these guys roam around with tasbeehs in their hands saying regular namaz etc. I had witnessed a lot.

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Saleem while you nicely explained the default meaning of the word corruption. It was well understood.

But generally the word is spoke about to refer to the noral corruption. I have also quoted the best part of your post. Can you tell me your use of the word corruption in the quoted part of your post meant to be taken as the default meaning which you explained or the meaning generally accepted by the common public?

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Reading that made my throat so bitter. I have heard alot of stories (not witnessed myself) but less grave. But I dont doubt those things cant happen here.

You are right that living here when you have business to take care of or simply earning a living in a place like this, one cant do much without turning into a ghunda themselves. That is why most of my life is inside my home. As long as Im in does not seem like Im in Pakistan. Im not sure if people understand what I mean when I say this.

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Many bring the misogyny here also, there were recent headlines about a sicko stabbing his pregnant wife and baby in the womb here and my intuition about the sicko being an immigrant unfortunately were true. This mentality of that a man is superior and a woman is man’s honor etc needs to go.

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If men truly took women as their honor, they would never ever trash and murder them because no one in their right mind trashes and murders their honor.

Actually, this is just an excuse of the psychopaths, sociapaths, emotionally unstable, angry violent men to relieve their inner frustrations and other bad emotions by abusing, trashing or murdering soneone weaker than them (their women) by calling it ‘honor killing’. Honor is not to be killed.

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I go to some businesses where the owners family has asked their girls to help out and these poor girls look so afraid and timid and can hardly talk to customers. A lot of these parents are destroying their confidence and self image. I believe in gender equality. Unless the culture buys into gender equality and protection of females who are half the population we will never see improvement.

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Omg bobby1 uncle, you gotta stop with this “everything bad” is brought by desi culture thing. Do you ever read dailymail? There are dozens of posts of white men killing their wives and kids when the custody battle went bitter or the other way around, the ex-wife killed the new wife and the husband. Every single day, there is atleast one post about some sicko raping an innocent child. All of these people grew up in the west and are not in any way correlated to desis.

Not a week ago, I read about this Christian dad in Israel, he killed his daughter because she was seeing a Muslim guy. I could give you dozens more examples. Point being, stop generalizing, there are disgusting aholes everywhere!

What a coincidence, just went on dailymail and what is the first thing I see? Charges announced for Princess Cruises Alaska ship death | Daily Mail Online

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There are stats of 85 to 90 percent women claiming abuse back in the country. When 1 percent of population is in the news disproportionately then there is cause for concern. I did tell you about the wedding I went to and imam was giving sermons about women should be obedient and are more suited for housework. Also we fell 10 spots in world ranking to be one of the worst in the world for gender equality and to be the most dangerous place on earth to be a woman so really yes there are crimes against women every where but at what frequency. Never heard of throng of Japanese assaulting women in Germany

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Stats from? What source? Majority of the population doesn’t even have internet in Pakistan. Speaking out against the evil in society is one thing but putting a whole nation of 193 million people under the same glass while ignoring the good. Or making the whole west seeming like a saint while ignoring the bad there, that is when you lose the credibility of your argument.