Re: Imran Khan with Javed Malik on Swat and Tribal Areas
there will be blow back but this battle against jehadis had to be fought. putting our head in the sand is a strategy of losers. unfortunately thats always the strategy our people have always adapted which is why pakistan is where it is.
I don't think you would be uttering the same lines if one of your relatives or close friends had been blown up/harmed in these suicide attacks. I seriously doubt it!
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Thats what really makes me afraid and thats at times i feel is happeneing. It does not appear that US wants this to end, the way they are playing it.
I can assure you it has nothing to do with US or Pakistan or common people in these countries....the problem of terrorism is created and being nurtured by CIA and Pakistan agencies to get more and more funds without audit for their personal pockets....they brain wash young people in the name of religion and use these brain washed creatures like toys....all this is getting dirtier by each passing day....
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Give them liberty. Sealed** the borders**. Let them whatever they want to do in their "muluk". The best solution.
Sorta agree, but they need to be provided with education and bring them to current civilization (no-gun culture).
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Imran Khan's logic is completely flawed. He is perpetuating the myth that the tribals can not be defeated because they were not by the British. The tribals have been and still can be defeated militarily.
Just like US has succeeded in controlling Afghanistan?
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All these situations are directly created by American CIA and Pakistan agencies who are long term partners to get hundreds of billions of dollars of funds without audit...in the name of war against terror....if there is no problem there will be no war....no war no money!!!!
Exactly, and for the same reason Kashmir problem will never be solved, sorry for the tangent.
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Just like US has succeeded in controlling Afghanistan?
US has succeeded in invading and defeating Afghanistan and Taliban quite easily using a very small number of troops. Controlling, ruling and administering it is a different matter.
Re: Imran Khan with Javed Malik on Swat and Tribal Areas
US has succeeded in invading and defeating Afghanistan and Taliban quite easily using a very small number of troops. Controlling, ruling and administering it is a different matter.
Yeah but that's like treating the symptoms but not the disease.....how very rich of the Americans........
leaving the dirty work/mess for the locals who often have to bear the brunt of the extremists' anger
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I was talking to my brother over the week-end and he was telling me how life had changed for the locals because of these recent suicide bombings. Our local mosque is usu. guarded by 2-3 policemen during Friday prayers. He was telling me how so many people after finishing their Juma prayers were deliberately trying to avoid going anywhere near the police officers on their way back home. It was kind of funny but also very scary at the same time.
And you can't even go to your local market (Jinnah Super) with the same freedom because there are usu. security guards patrolling the area and you have to be esp. careful at night. Now you don't see as many people at night as you saw only a couple of weeks back. That's how scared people are. That's how difficult life has become for the residents of Islamabad. I am sure the same applies to many parts of the country.
Re: Imran Khan with Javed Malik on Swat and Tribal Areas
US has succeeded in invading and defeating Afghanistan and Taliban quite easily using a very small number of troops. Controlling, ruling and administering it is a different matter.
Even Russia had succeeded on same accounts but they ended up withdrawing totally and that was wiser of them.... Bush has US bleeding in Afghanistan not just its soldiers but its economy as well.
Re: Imran Khan with Javed Malik on Swat and Tribal Areas
I was talking to my brother over the week-end and he was telling me how life had changed for the locals because of these recent suicide bombings. Our local mosque is usu. guarded by 2-3 policemen during Friday prayers. He was telling me how so many people after finishing their Juma prayers were deliberately trying to avoid going anywhere near the police officers on their way back home. It was kind of funny but also very scary at the same time.
And you can't even go to your local market (Jinnah Super) with the same freedom because there are usu. security guards patrolling the area and you have to be esp. careful at night. Now you don't see as many people at night as you saw only a couple of weeks back. That's how scared people are. That's how difficult life has become for the residents of Islamabad. I am sure the same applies to many parts of the country.
Then you should be for taking action against the people that are doing the terrorist acts of suicide bombings and beheadings. You should be supporting government to take action against these terrorists (and from your description they are quite successful in terrorizing local population). Isn't this the ultimate goal of suicide bombing and beheading? Create an atmosphere of fear where a small minority can force a majority to submit to their wishes. This is where Imran Khan is so wrong in declaring these terrorist patriots and portraying them as some super human beings. In reality these are a small minority who try to spread to an atmosphere of fear. Why do you think they have to murder barbers, bomb schools and bomb CD and video shops? Because if people have a choice they will go to barber shops to shave, send their children to schools and enjoy music and videos.
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Even Russia had succeeded on same accounts but they ended up withdrawing totally and that was wiser of them.... Bush has US bleeding in Afghanistan not just its soldiers but its economy as well.
Russian had to withdraw because it was fighting a proxy war against USA, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. They did not have a problem in ruling the Afghans by themselves. US is bleeding in Iraq because of Bush's misadventure there. Afghanistan was conquered and is being controlled at relatively very low cost to US military and economy.
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Dear the problem is that US and NATO are not willing to be involved, not that much. Even in Afghanistan they are negotiating with Taliban.
The Afghan govt is the one negotiating with Talian meri Jaan...
The US and NATO are the ones actually dong all the fighting...
And considering so many Americans are already willing to attack within Pakistan, it wont take to much convincing for them to join in the battle with the Pakistanis along the Afghan border...
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Russian had to withdraw because it was fighting a proxy war against USA, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. They did not have a problem in ruling the Afghans by themselves.
They were suffering same what is happening in Afghanistan now, the difference is that this resistance is smaller (as it doesn't have flood of funding/ammunition) but still not complete control. The Kabul mayor is just that... mayor, go out of Kabul and you are dead meat.
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They were suffering same what is happening in Afghanistan now, the difference is that this resistance is smaller (as it doesn't have flood of funding/ammunition) but still not complete control. The Kabul mayor is just that... mayor, go out of Kabul and you are dead meat.
or maybe the fact that unlike the iraqi insurgents who have support from the iraqi populace the taliban hide in mountains and in pakistan and thus that means they don't have broad support
if that was the case then mullah omar and osama bin laden would be chilling in Kabul instead of hiding in caves in Pakistan
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They never had broad “support” per se, Afghanistan is full of warlords… they are just like Pakistani politicians i.e. lotay, they join winning hands… but they have common trait i.e. don’t accept foreign powers.
errr… which part of “mayor of Kabul” was difficult? :aq:
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Any civilised society (esp. US) would have also tried Musharraf for treason and probably hanged him. Regardless of how bad or corrupt Nawaz (I don't support him) was, he WAS THE elected PM - period
What about people like Imran Khan, Benazir Bhutto, Qazi Hussain and all the other political leaders who supported Musharraf's military coup? Shouldn't they be tried and hanged as well for supporting and even facilitating this so-called treasonable act?
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u knw wa pak is uzed up by many pakiz. 1st dey say dey luv it den dey betray it afta all dey com bak ...nd dey say v sacrify for pak but actualy no 1 iz helpin pak 2 develop ...y? evry day i watch nws abou pak its negative y not positive.
who iz responsible for evry fin hapnin in swat...if i m not rong swat is in pak ..if not den my apology......by da way if it is .... wa is actualy hpnin in swat can ny 1 tel
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i only saw blast hpnin nd i herd dat der wz high alert security but blast hpn in bus
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What about people like Imran Khan, Benazir Bhutto, Qazi Hussain and all the other political leaders who supported Musharraf's military coup? Shouldn't they be tried and hanged as well for supporting and even facilitating this so-called treasonable act?
Agreed in hindsight it was unwise of all of them to support the coup knowing the history of these military dictators (Ayub hung around for almost 11 years and left only after the public moved against him. And believe you me Zia would still be the president if he had not died in that plane crash). They all probably felt at the time that the coup was the lesser of the two evils because of their downright hatred of Nawaz (BB being her usu. selfish self probably saw this as political opportunism). No one actually thought that Mush would hang around for as long as he has. Immi often jokes that successive military dictators have been telling us for 50 odd years that we are in the transitional phase of democracy and we just never seem to get rid of this blo*dy transition.
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Agreed in hindsight it was unwise of all of them to support the coup knowing the history of these military dictators.
So you are agreeing (based on your original premise) that in a any "civilised society" people like Imran Khan, Benzir Bhutto, Qazi Hussain etc and would have been tried for supporting an act of treason and probably hanged as well?
Also, "Immi" knew very well that Musharraf would still be around today, as he supported his Presidential Election Referendum in 2002, so that line is not very convincing.