Importance of virginity in major religions

[muqawwee123]

Re: Importance of virginity in major religions

But, where does it say marriage and single-parent household is related. I.e who says two parents have to be married to 'live together' or help raise child?

Do out of wedlock children get attention of both the parents as the children of married couples? The west itself is coming with concepts like 'No marriage, No womb' and we here in east are stamping practice of out of wedlock children.

[Southie]

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It is a no brainer that a two parent household is the best option. But reality is different. Some marriages break up. And kids end up in single parent household. Some kids born out of wedlock end up in 2 parent household as the mother finds a partner to marry. It is compilcated. Only Right Wing Conservatives want to simplify everything.

Anyone with half a brain knows what is IDEAL. But we live in the real world.

For those who want to make a positive impact on kids born out of wedlock, the best "inspiring talk" you can have with them is to assure them they and their parent are wholesome human beings, deserving as much respect as the rest of society.

If any Religion teaches otherwise, reject that teaching. And go with what is ethical and moral. For that, rely on your common sense. And not on some lame slogans from the Right Wing Conservatives in the West.

And above all, "stop imposing the codes of morality as written in "insert your religion here" on others.

[ajazali]

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These are hypocrites, they dont want to marry "that kind of girls" but still keep on asking why religion don’t like "that kind of girls". Religion does not hate women nor does it degrade the women in the name of so-called hypercritic liberty. So these so-called proponents of women's liberty keep on asking why religion hates women but when it comes to their own turn to explain their feelings about such girls they become silent.
Religion rather protects women’s dignity so that they get married respectfully and dont get hate of other people.

[Capricorn]

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1) Are you comparing a woman to a car? 2) Shouldn't that go both ways? Why is it important that woman must be virgin...to please the God, or her to be a husband? Shouldn't same rule applied to a man, too? And if pious men go to heave and get virgin women, what about pious women? Don't they deserve virgins of their own?

1) I drew a parallel
2) It goes both ways

[Southie]

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Getting a headache trying to understand post 43. Will a co-hypocrite kindly pass me a Saridon?

[Shamraz_Khan]

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Getting a headache trying to understand post 43. Will a co-hypocrite kindly pass me a Saridon?

Word salads can be hard to decipher. Haven't you seen Sara Palin's speeches? :D

[Shamraz_Khan]

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@muqawwee123

Really? statistics from the developed world say otherwise:

1. According to the Office for National Statistics:

• 10% of children in the UK face severe emotional or behavioural problems that burden their families.
• 16% of children from single-parent families experience a mental health problem compared with 8% from two-parent families.

Child - Parent Relationship and Potential Problems | Doctor | Patient.co.uk

**2.

Drinking problems. **Teenagers living in single-parent households are more likely to abuse alcohol and at an earlier age compared to children reared in two-parent households

A study of 156 victims of child sexual abuse found that the majority of the children came from disrupted or single-parent homes; only 31 percent of the children lived with both biological parents.

**Suicidal Tendencies. **In a study of 146 adolescent friends of 26 adolescent suicide victims, teens living in single-parent families are not only more likely to commit suicide but also more likely to suffer from psychological disorders, when compared to teens living in intact families.

Facts on Fatherless Kids

Statistically, a child in a single-parent household is far more likely to experience violence, commit suicide, continue a cycle of poverty, become drug dependent, commit a crime or perform below his peers in education.

According to the Single Parent Success Foundation, a national nonprofit that encourages educational opportunities for single parents:

• 63 percent of suicides nationwide are individuals from single-parent families.

• 75 percent of children in chemical dependency hospitals are from single-parent families.

• More than half of all youths incarcerated in the U.S. lived in one-parent families as a child.

http://www.news-leader.com/article/20121125/NEWS01/311250054/single-parents-Ozarks-poverty?nclick_check=1

Recently, a 16-year-old boy killed his single mother with a claw hammer because she took away his Play Station. Ninety students at a Memphis high school are either pregnant or lactating as we speak. Baby mamas are brawling at Chuck-E-Cheese over trifling baby daddies. Well-fed fourth grade black boys can’t read as well hungry, poor white boys. The C.D.C. recently conducted a study that said family structure can negatively influence children’s health.

Time to Get Serious About the 73 Percent Out-of-Wedlock Birth Rate | MadameNoire | Black Women’s Lifestyle Guide | Black Hair | Black Love

First no one disagrees that 2 parents household is the best environment for raising children.

2nd, your post is based on wrong assumptions b/c not all children coming from single households are born out of wedlock. In many cases children born out wedlock still have 2 parents. They may just not be married. Also, some of the children your taking about maybe coming from divorce parents. In fact, any psychologist will tell you that divorce can have lasting and harmful impact on an early development of a child. So, the family dynamics are changing & traditional idea of family will displeasure in next 50 years in developed countries.

[muqawwee123]

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First no one disagrees that 2 parents household is the best environment for raising children.

2nd, your post is based on wrong assumptions b/c not all children coming from single households are born out of wedlock. In many cases children born out wedlock still have 2 parents. They may just not be married. Also, some of the children your taking about maybe coming from divorce parents. In fact, any psychologist will tell you that divorce can have lasting and harmful impact on an early development of a child. So, the family dynamics are changing & traditional idea of family will displeasure in next 50 years in developed countries.

doesn't marriage show a responsibility and commitment? Can you present a statistic where out of wedlock children could get attention of both the parents for a longer time as compared to married couples. Out of wedlock relationships lacks commitment and will to take responsibility. Marriage is not a guarantee, but atleast it shows commitment.

Besides that, we were talking of religion, and people who follow any of the religion in world don't want to be indulged in out of wed lock relationships. no?

[ajazali]

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Word salads can be hard to decipher. Haven't you seen Sara Palin's speeches? :D

You know sarcasm is a defense mechanism. You resort to sarcasm when you couldn’t reply...
I can see you are feeling pain that made you comment this way...

[Krypton]

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@Shamraz_Khan

What is inappropriate about it? I was merely make an observation.

As for the marriage issue, define what is a $lut? The point that I was making is that it seems like sex is taboo in all major religions, but the question is why? After all, are we not all products of sex?

yea

it’s just our social conditioning…

[Southie]

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Word salads can be hard to decipher. Haven't you seen Sara Palin's speeches? :D

Unfortunately, I have seen too many of her speeches from her and here in these the forums.

[Southie]

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You know sarcasm is a defense mechanism. You resort to sarcasm when you couldn’t reply... I can see you are feeling pain that made you comment this way...

Now I see the light. Your logic was/is/and always will be impeccable.

[Shamraz_Khan]

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@ajazali

You know sarcasm is a defense mechanism. You resort to sarcasm when you couldn’t reply…
I can see you are feeling pain that made you comment this way…

Yes, I was feeling pain because sometime I read posts on GS & my IQ drops. It hurts me badly.

Now, lets see which defense mechanism you’re employing here.

Top 7 Psychological Defense*Mechanisms - Listverse

[Shamraz_Khan]

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doesn't marriage show a responsibility and commitment? Can you present a statistic where out of wedlock children could get attention of both the parents for a longer time as compared to married couples. Out of wedlock relationships lacks commitment and will to take responsibility. Marriage is not a guarantee, but atleast it shows commitment.

Besides that, we were talking of religion, and people who follow any of the religion in world don't want to be indulged in out of wed lock relationships. no?

Commitment to what? Do you know what divorce rate is in the US? Its around 50%. Do you know married people also cheat on their spouses?

So, life does not operate in a perfect line.

[muqawwee123]

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@Shamraz_Khan

Commitment to what? Do you know what divorce rate is in the US? Its around 50%. Do you know married people also cheat on their spouses?

So, life does not operate in a perfect line.

commitment to take responsibility of ones own actions. commitment to own children from the wedding.

Agree that life doesn't operate ideally and there are chances of failed marriages and disloyalty with spouses, but at least ratio of divorces and all that in much lower in societies where people give a weightage to religion.

I have already stated that virginity is not an obsession in Islam, if we see the life of the Prophet (SAW) and his companions. They had married divorced and widowed women.

[ajazali]

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Look at who is talking about IQ level…

@Shamraz_Khan

Yes, I was feeling pain because sometime I read posts on GS & my IQ drops. It hurts me badly.

Now, lets see which defense mechanism you’re employing here.

Top 7 Psychological Defense*Mechanisms - Listverse

@Shamraz_Khan

What is inappropriate about it? I was merely make an observation.

As for the marriage issue, define what is a $lut? The point that I was making is that it seems like sex is taboo in all major religions, but the question is why? After all, are we not all products of sex?

You mentioned this term in post#5 you should know the defintion, why should I define it for you?

[Southie]

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Projection?

[Sa1eem]

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Why is virginity so important in almost every major religion?

For examples, going back 1000s of years Incas and virgins sacrifices. Christianity and virgin birth. Islam and promised virgins in after life. Hinduism?

As far as I understand Islam:

There are three states of sex.

1: No sex ever (virgin)
2: Lawful sex (marriage or whatever) ... Lawful sex also means child born is legal and has all legal and equal rights (all siblings are equal).
3: Sex outside law (adultery or fornication)

Islam condones 1 and 2 and condemns 3, though 2 is preferred state.

Shaitan does not like 2, so he made 1 divine state, but once that divine state is crossed than Shaitan likes 3.

Once a person is confined to 2, shaitan does everything to make the person cross to 3.

As for virgins birth of Isa (AS), that is mentioned not because virginity is divine, but because Allah wanted no obscurity in this matter left, and thus the believe itself that Isa (AS) was born of a woman who was free from any relationship (or his birth was miraculous) is test of Allah that one would have to answer after death regarding this belief, as this belief confirms a person’s belief that Allah is beyond laws that Allah has created.

As far as ‘Hoors’ in Jannah, that is nothing to do with being virgin, but it is to do with companions who had no past relationship.

[Southie]

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@Saleem,

All of above apply only to Muslims. For non-muslims, none of the above is relevant. All the more reason to keep Religion separate from Govt.

[Southie]

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MMost would agree that a 2-parent household is best. The sensible folks recognize that traditional marriage between man and woman is one example of a 2-parent household. Other examples:

1) Domestic couples ( man-woman, single sex)
2) gay married couple - legalization is the sensible option.

These couples can adopt children from marriages that split up, take in kids without a home.

Those who insist upon a 2-parent household, while also being against above options, could be labeled, shall we say, defensive hypocrites.