Importance of '5' in Punjab's culture

[muqawwee123]

Name of Punjab is due to 5 Rivers… Jehlum, Chenab, Satluj, Ravi and Biyas.

Then the Sikh religion that flourished in Punjab (that is native to Punjab) have 5 Ks as religious symbols.

I just read that there are Punj-Peer (5 Saints) of Punjab, that are also mentioned in Heer Waris Shah. Any ideas who these 5 peer (Saints) are?

[Doppleganger]

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Shouldn't it be teen (whatever word for 3, teen is in punjabi) aab since it is only 3 rivers now.

[muqawwee123]

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Overall Punjab (India+Pakistan) got 5 rivers. If I'm not mistaken Indian Punjab still have these 5 rivers (i.e. 5 rivers still flow in Indian territory)

[Mezhgan]

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@muqawwee123

Name of Punjab is due to 5 Rivers… Jehlum, Chenab, Satluj, Ravi and Biyas.

Then the Sikh religion that flourished in Punjab (that is native to Punjab) have 5 Ks as religious symbols.

I just read that there are Punj-Peer (5 Saints) of Punjab, that are also mentioned in Heer Waris Shah. Any ideas who these 5 peer (Saints) are?

Do you know if there is any relation between this and the presence of five rivers or if it had any influence on the religion?

I think @the kaur may be able to shed some light on this.

[TLK]

@Mezhgan:10082392

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Name of Punjab is due to 5 Rivers… Jehlum, Chenab, Satluj, Ravi and Biyas.

Then the Sikh religion that flourished in Punjab (that is native to Punjab) have 5 Ks as religious symbols.

I just read that there are Punj-Peer (5 Saints) of Punjab, that are also mentioned in Heer Waris Shah. Any ideas who these 5 peer (Saints) are?

Do you know if there is any relation between this and the presence of five rivers or if it had any influence on the religion?

I think @the kaur may be able to shed some light on this.
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No, the credit of 5 k’s goes to hazrat aala aurangzeb, who killed one of the gurus, and turned a whole sikh nation as a jaani dushman of Muslims. The top guru of that time commanded that a real khalsa will always wear the five K’s till a single Muslim is still alive in India.

[TLK]

@muqawwee123:10082155

Name of Punjab is due to 5 Rivers… Jehlum, Chenab, Satluj, Ravi and Biyas.

Then the Sikh religion that flourished in Punjab (that is native to Punjab) have 5 Ks as religious symbols.

I just read that there are Punj-Peer (5 Saints) of Punjab, that are also mentioned in Heer Waris Shah. Any ideas who these 5 peer (Saints) are?

Add to this list, gurdwara punja sahib

[muqawwee123]

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@TLK

No, the credit of 5 k's goes to hazrat aala aurangzeb, who killed one of the gurus, and turned a whole sikh nation as a jaani dushman of Muslims. The top guru of that time commanded that a real khalsa will always wear the five K's till a single Muslim is still alive in India.

How come? Any source about Guru ordering that?

If Sikhs were that Anti-Muslim, how come they retain poetry of Muslim poets in their Garanth?

[muqawwee123]

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@TLK

Add to this list, gurdwara punja sahib

May be panjeeri as well

[TLK]

@muqawwee123:10082437

@""TLK""

No, the credit of 5 k’s goes to hazrat aala aurangzeb, who killed one of the gurus, and turned a whole sikh nation as a jaani dushman of Muslims. The top guru of that time commanded that a real khalsa will always wear the five K’s till a single Muslim is still alive in India.

How come? Any source about Guru ordering that?

If Sikhs were that Anti-Muslim, how come they retain poetry of Muslim poets in their Garanth?

Retaining poetry might be part of punjabi culture, also could be from guru nanak times. 5 k’s entered during the time of 10th guru who created the order of Khalsa.

[KKF]

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there is a collection of du'aas i think which is called "Punjatan Paak"?

[muqawwee123]

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there is a collection of du'aas i think which is called "Punjatan Paak"?

The concept of Punjtan Pak is Persian (I think so). Its not dua, its 5 personalities.. the prophet (SAW), Hazrat Ali (RA), Hazrat Fatima (RA), Hazrat Hassan (RA) and Hazrat Hussain (RA).

[KKF]

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The concept of Punjtan Pak is Persian (I think so). Its not dua, its 5 personalities.. the prophet (SAW), Hazrat Ali (RA), Hazrat Fatima (RA), Hazrat Hassan (RA) and Hazrat Hussain (RA).

thank you for the info...

oh i see...mujhe to ilm nahiiN thaa...paak hastiyaaN, alHamdolillah.

mujhe kuchh yaad paRtaa hai k is naam se ek booklet thii jis meN shaayad du'aayeN darj thiiN yaa Punjatan Paak ke naam se kuchh qisse, kahaaniyaaN thiiN. wallaho aalam bissawaab.

[muqawwee123]

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@TLK

Retaining poetry might be part of punjabi culture, also could be from guru nanak times. 5 k’s entered during the time of 10th guru who created the order of Khalsa.

Garanth is just not a common poetry book. Its holy scripture. Apart from that, enmity between Sikh and Muslims (among masses) was never severe from Aurnagzeb’s time till partition. There were wars for crown and rule, but still there were some good terms in between the communities that encouraged Mr Jinah to offer them to be part of Pakistan.

This is the history behind adapting 5 ks, though it says that it was adapted after Aurangzeb’s oppression, but it doesn’t say that Guru ordered or advocated any anti-Muslim sentiments.

The 5 K’s

At the time of Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji (the ninth Guru of the Sikhs), many Hindus were forced to become Muslims by the Mughal Emperor, Aurangzeb. In order to protect the Hindus Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji had to sacrifice his life. Therefore, to make his Sikhs become brave and protective and to make them look unique, Guru Gobind Singh Ji (the tenth Guru of the Sikhs) once called all the Sikhs to gather at Anandpur Sahib on 13th April 1699. There, he asked for the ones who could sacrifice their life for the religion. Out of whole lot of people only five people responded, they were ; Bhai Daya Ram, Bhai Dharam Chand, Bhai Muhakkam Chand, Bhai Sahib Chand and Bhai Himmat Rai. Although these five people were from different caste they still gave respect to Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s words.

Thereafter, Guru declared those five people as the beloved ones or “Panj Pyare” by letting them have Amrit (Holy water). Then he himself had Amrit and annouced that every male Sikhs should add “Singh” after his name. In addition, he made his Sikhs look unique and made them brave by introducing ‘Panj Kakars’ in order to protect themselves.

This is another article about philosophy of each of 5 items. Interesting to note the philosophy of kesh (hair) and turban:

The Sikh Identity :5Ks - Gateway to Sikhism

Sikhism preaches that the only reason one should cover one’s head is out of respect for God. Since men and women are equal, both men and women must cover their heads, and since God is everywhere, they must do so at all times. The turban also serves as an outward form of recognition of Sikh men and women.

[muqawwee123]

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thank you for the info...

oh i see...mujhe to ilm nahiiN thaa...paak hastiyaaN, alHamdolillah.

mujhe kuchh yaad paRtaa hai k is naam se ek booklet thii jis meN shaayad du'aayeN darj thiiN yaa Punjatan Paak ke naam se kuchh qisse, kahaaniyaaN thiiN. wallaho aalam bissawaab.

There is this punj surah at our home. I never checked which surah it has. probably Surah Yaseen, Surah e Mulk, Surah e Rahman might be there.

Then there is probably 5 bibiyon ki kahani (though I remember its 10 bibiyon ki Kahani). Punch kaniya is also popular ladies from Mahabaharat and Ramayan and pouplar in Hinsuism.

[Ali_Syed]

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The concept of Punjtan Pak is Persian (I think so). Its not dua, its 5 personalities.. the prophet (SAW), Hazrat Ali (RA), Hazrat Fatima (RA), Hazrat Hassan (RA) and Hazrat Hussain (RA).

agreed....

[the_kaur]

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I think fight with mughals (Aurangzeb) is being considered here as fight with Islam as theology which is incorrect. Guru Gobind Singh intiated Khlasa but that was never intended against Islam.

Punj Pyare were the first five soldiers of Khalsa, if I remember right, they were from Lahore, Amritsar, Patna, Nanded and Bidar

[Ali_Syed]

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Name of Punjab is due to 5 Rivers... Jehlum, Chenab, Satluj, Ravi and Biyas.

Then the Sikh religion that flourished in Punjab (that is native to Punjab) have 5 Ks as religious symbols.

I just read that there are Punj-Peer (5 Saints) of Punjab, that are also mentioned in Heer Waris Shah. Any ideas who these 5 peer (Saints) are?

The fifth river I believe is Indus. At some stage there were seven rivers including saraswati. Not so sure about five peers.

[muqawwee123]

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@Ali_Syed

The fifth river I believe is Indus. At some stage there were seven rivers including saraswati. Not so sure about five peers.

Indus has been considered as somewhat sea (like the terminology Sindh Saagar.. as also referred by Aitzaz Ahsan). 5 rivers refers to tributaries of Indus.

Punjab region - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The name of the region is a compound of two Persian words [SUP][6]](Punjab - Wikipedia)[/SUP] and was introduced to the region by the Turkic Muslim conquerors of India and more formally popularized during the Mughal empire. Punjab literally means “(The Land of) Five Waters” referring to the following rivers: the Jhelum, Chenab, Ravi, Sutlej, and Beas.[SUP][7]](Punjab - Wikipedia)[/SUP] All are tributaries of the Indus River, the Jhelum being the largest.

[Ali_Syed]

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^ if you see the map, Beas seems to become satluj after covering a short distance

[muqawwee123]

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@Ali_Syed

^ if you see the map, Beas seems to become satluj after covering a short distance

then how come it counts as 7 with Sarswati in picture?

I think Beas and Satluj have different head overs as per the map.

Beas River

The Beas River ( Hindi: ब्यास, Punjabi: ਬਿਆਸ, Sanskrit: विपाशा ‘Vipasha’ ) is a river in north India. The river rises in the Himalayas in central Himachal Pradesh, India, and flows for some 470 kilometres (290 mi) to the Sutlej River in the Indian state of Punjab.[SUP][1]](Beas River - Wikipedia)[/SUP]