Importance of '5' in Punjab's culture

[Ali_Syed]

Re: Importance of ‘5’ in Punjab’s culture

@muqawwee123

then how come it counts as 7 with Sarswati in picture?

I think Beas and Satluj have different head overs as per the map.

Beas River - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Beas River ( Hindi: ब्यास, Punjabi: ਬਿਆਸ, Sanskrit: विपाशा ‘Vipasha’ ) is a river in north India. The river rises in the Himalayas in central Himachal Pradesh, India, and flows for some 470 kilometres (290 mi) to the Sutlej River in the Indian state of Punjab.[SUP][1]](Beas River - Wikipedia)[/SUP]

yes they have different heads. It would be strange if this river would have been part of Punjab though as like even this article mentions that it spans 470 Kms and joins satluj in Punjab. Indus makes more sense as compared to Beas.

[muqawwee123]

Re: Importance of ‘5’ in Punjab’s culture

@Ali_Syed

yes they have different heads. It would be strange if this river would have been part of Punjab though as like even this article mentions that it spans 470 Kms and joins satluj in Punjab. Indus makes more sense as compared to Beas.

I think head overs of all these rivers are somewhere in Himalyas / Kashmir, so all these rivers including Indus have to travel to reach Punjab’s territory.

[Ali_Syed]

Re: Importance of ‘5’ in Punjab’s culture

@muqawwee123

I think head overs of all these rivers are somewhere in Himalyas / Kashmir, so all these rivers including Indus have to travel to reach Punjab’s territory.

Hence Kashmir being the shahrag

[muqawwee123]

Re: Importance of ‘5’ in Punjab’s culture

Panj peer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Panj Peer include Laal Shabzad of Sehwan, Sindh.

Except for Baba Farid and Bahaudin Zakariya, 3 out of 5 saints were not to native to Punjab.

[muqawwee123]

Re: Importance of ‘5’ in Punjab’s culture

@Ali_Syed

Hence Kashmir being the shahrag

but all rivers don’t originate from Kashmir.

[Ali_Syed]

Re: Importance of ‘5’ in Punjab’s culture

@muqawwee123

but all rivers don’t originate from Kashmir.

Yes I think some come from Tibet

[Ali_Syed]

Re: Importance of ‘5’ in Punjab’s culture

@muqawwee123

Panj peer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Panj Peer include Laal Shabzad of Sehwan, Sindh.

Except for Baba Farid and Bahaudin Zakariya, 3 out of 5 saints were not to native to Punjab.

previously I think the distances didn’t matter. People had peers where ever.

[muqawwee123]

Re: Importance of ‘5’ in Punjab’s culture

@Ali_Syed

previously I think the distances didn’t matter. People had peers where ever.

previously? now you think differently? Zia’s influence?

[the_kaur]

Re: Importance of ‘5’ in Punjab’s culture

@muqawwee123

but all rivers don’t originate from Kashmir.

@Ali_Syed

Yes I think some come from Tibet

There is Mansarovar Lake in Tibat, according to Hinduism, Indus, Ganga and only male river of hindu mythology Brahmaoutra originates from here

[muqawwee123]

Re: Importance of ‘5’ in Punjab’s culture

@the_kaur

There is Mansarovar Lake in Tibat, according to Hinduism, Indus, Ganga and only male river of hindu mythology Brahmaoutra originates from here

male and female rivers? nadi to female hi hoti hai.. darya male hota hai.

[Mezhgan]

Re: Importance of ‘5’ in Punjab’s culture

@the_kaur

There is Mansarovar Lake in Tibat, according to Hinduism, Indus, Ganga and only male river of hindu mythology Brahmaoutra originates from here

Maybe I’m understanding incorrectly, but in Hindu mythology, rivers are considered to have gender? Excuse my ignorance (and the dumb question I’m going to ask), but based on what are rivers considered male/female in the mythology?

[Ali_Syed]

Re: Importance of ‘5’ in Punjab’s culture

@muqawwee123

previously? now you think differently? Zia’s influence?

I don’t have any peer. zia’s ideology lives on.

[muqawwee123]

Re: Importance of ‘5’ in Punjab’s culture

@Ali_Syed

I don’t have any peer. zia’s ideology lives on.

be-peera was/ is just like a negative comment for a person in Sindh.

[KKF]

Re: Importance of ‘5’ in Punjab’s culture

@Mezhgan

Maybe I’m understanding incorrectly, but in Hindu mythology, rivers are considered to have gender? Excuse my ignorance (and the dumb question I’m going to ask), but based on what are rivers considered male/female in the mythology?

all rivers are females…famous song about Ganga [Ganges] river:

Ganga merii maaN kaa naam, baap kaa naam Himaala
[Ganges is my mother, Himalya is my father]

there was a controversy when this song was released. Hindus demonstrated against the song charging the lyric writer of ‘incest’ because Ganges originate from Gangotri in the Himalya range and this it’s Himalya’s daughter, not wife.

the Kaur is right, the river Brahmputra [son of Brahma] is the ONLY river that is considered a male.

[the_kaur]

Re: Importance of ‘5’ in Punjab’s culture

@Mezhgan

Maybe I’m understanding incorrectly, but in Hindu mythology, rivers are considered to have gender? Excuse my ignorance (and the dumb question I’m going to ask), but based on what are rivers considered male/female in the mythology?

Rivers were considered to be the source of life, hence female, Brahmaputra is called son of brahma, once in assam I saw it flowing at great pace, my brother remarked it flows that fast because it is male

[Southie]

Re: Importance of ‘5’ in Punjab’s culture

Nadia se daria
Daria se sagar
sagar se gehra jaam
sagar se gehra jaam

Ohoho jaam mey doob rahi yaaron meri
Jeevan ki har shaam

[muqawwee123]

Re: Importance of ‘5’ in Punjab’s culture

@KKF

all rivers are females…famous song about Ganga [Ganges] river:

Ganga merii maaN kaa naam, baap kaa naam Himaala
[Ganges is my mother, Himalya is my father]

there was a controversy when this song was released. Hindus demonstrated against the song charging the lyric writer of ‘incest’ because Ganges originate from Gangotri in the Himalya range and this it’s Himalya’s daughter, not wife.

the Kaur is right, the river Brahmputra [son of Brahma] is the ONLY river that is considered a male.

What is the difference between Nadi and Darya? Do they use word ‘darya’ for rivers in Hindi?

[KKF]

Re: Importance of ‘5’ in Punjab’s culture

@muqawwee123

What is the difference between Nadi and Darya? Do they use word ‘darya’ for rivers in Hindi?

nadi is Hindi for daryaa…daryaa is a Faarsii word while nadi/naddi is a Hindi word.

naddi naare na jaao, Shyaam, baiNyaaN paRuuN!

[TLK]

@the kaur:10082687

I think fight with mughals (Aurangzeb) is being considered here as fight with Islam as theology which is incorrect. Guru Gobind Singh intiated Khlasa but that was never intended against Islam.

Punj Pyare were the first five soldiers of Khalsa, if I remember right, they were from Lahore, Amritsar, Patna, Nanded and Bidar

I did not say fight with Islam. I said fight with Muslims of India. Guru Gobind Singh’s father was killed by Aurangzeb (I said son in my first post which was not correct) because he refused/resisted the forceful conversion of Sikhs to Islam by Aurangzeb. Khalsa mindset was initiated as an avenge.

Punj Pyare were the first five martyrs, not soldiers. They were sacrificed by Guru Gobind himself, after they presented themselves to him to take their life as a sign of ultimate loyalty.

[muqawwee123]

Re: Importance of ‘5’ in Punjab’s culture

@TLK

I did not say fight with Islam. I said fight with Muslims of India. Guru Gobind Singh’s father was killed by Aurangzeb (I said son in my first post which was not correct) because he refused/resisted the forceful conversion of Sikhs to Islam by Aurangzeb. Khalsa mindset was initiated as an avenge.
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Punj Pyare were the first five martyrs, not soldiers. They were sacrificed by Guru Gobind himself, after they presented themselves to him to take their life as a sign of ultimate loyalty**.

Sacrificed means?

I thought there was some bowl, in which they put their blood (probably by cutting their hands).