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Nice to see some very religious people spend their Ramazan in such exemplary manner, name calling, abuse, ridicule, bullying is so much cooler than Iqlaak, charity, prayers and kindness.
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It’s ikhlaaq not iqlaak 
Nice to see those who describe themselves and their families as “Muslim” create a thread in which they attempt to downplay/diminish the gravity of sins like drinking/zina/homosexuality through acts of community service and other charitable deeds…in the month of Ramzan. It’s the month in which the Quran was revealed and it’s sad to see a person try to downplay the injunctions in the holy book of Muslims.
Long story short…Just remember this: Islam emphasizes a combination of ritual worship (namaz, fasting, etc) AND good works towards others and society. One who respects and loves Allah will try to both. One who wants to be defiant and arrogant will deliberately downplay one in exchange for the other. By definition a Muslim shows love to Allah by acceptance and submission…not by outright deliberate disobedience and dismissal. So, don’t worry about others’ morality…or how Julia ka hoolia compares to the Muslims of the world. Just examine your own beliefs and state; worry about your ownself and ask yoursekf how much of the deen you believe you’re following.
If you are good about doing sadaqah and community service…then great. MashAllah…may Allah accept and reward you. If you’re lacking in the “namaz” area then try improving on that…instead of judging other Muslims’ namaz.
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When the Imams refused to do Janazza for the terrorists that was a defining moment for Muslims to start taking their religion back from terrorists. Soon I hope moderate people, who are accepting of other faiths, are kind, courteous and polite will represent the faith. Swearing and cussing at people unprovoked is not to serve any God but many people use God to feed their ego.
We eat meat and Hindus don’t so would it be okay for them to abuse you and call you a sinner?
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I am not going to damn a pork eater to hell…but I will not shy away from saying that pork is haram if someone of my religion or any belief system was to ask me about it. I’m not gonna tell a fornicator that they’re going to hell because ultimate judgment belongs to Allah…but I’m not going to shy away from saying zina is haram in Islam. Nor am I going to tell someone that it’s okay of they commit zina so long as they make up for it by picking up the litter in the neighborhood. That’s a form of disrespect toward Allah and His religion that you just don’t seem to comprehend because …you simply don’t want to…you’re afraid to do so because that would entail making lifestyle changes that you don’t want to.
Muslims should stand up for what is right and just. But you want them to go above and beyond that and to go against Allah and the Quran and to give a thumbs up to the various vices. Not happening. Oh and “sinner” is not such a bad word, Bobster. ALL of us are sinners. One should have the courage to call a spade a spade…to be able to differentiate right from wrong.
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Who am I to judge Julia or the other Muslim?
To each his own. It’s God who is the ultimate judge.
I appreciate the good done by anyone, be it of my faith, another faith or no faith.
No human is flawless.
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Not sure what planet you live on, but moderate Muslims ALREADY represent the faith. It’s the media and folks with a bias or an agenda…or people like you…that choose to focus so heavily on extreme, negative cases and conveniently ignore the vast majority of decent Muslims in the world.
Most of those “moderate” Muslims that your heart so passionately yearns for are not gonna applaud Julia’s choices (homosexuality, promiscuity, etc etc). And those that do cannot be called “moderate.” 
So many bongiyan from you, Bob. You should just give these games a rest; they’re getting old.
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Religious bullies stifle and bully the moderates and become the face of religion when people talk about the faith they think of them and not of non-judgemental people who would be judgemental of freedom of sexual orientation and will be reminded that this society is based on freedoms and it is a hate crime to abuse them or discriminate against them. This is Julia’s country it is her people who let you in and you would have the nerve to judge them? Fascism is so hard to understand.
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They flog forncators in Saudi Arabia and here it is not considered illegal or immoral and yet you in all your religious glory chose to make this your home, again if you have problems with drinking, skirts, parties etc and 99 percent of the population does not share your values, Why are you here? You left Saudi Arabia the holiest place to come here.
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I’ve answered all your questions before. But you simply don’t want to understand. There’s a lock on your aqal, a blindfold on your eyes, and your eyes are clogged. Why worry about Julia so much when you encourage your own sons to commit Zina? Look at your own home first. The US and Canada are inhabited by various religious groups that are opposed to drinking and pork and fornication, etc. Should the orthdox Jews and Hindus also leave the West because they don’t approve of such lifestyles? Get it through your thick head…that most people interact civilly with people of differing lifestyles in their day to day lives. For example, a Jewish person who does not eat pork can still have lunch with a colleague who does. A Muslim can mingle respectfully with people who drink and wear mini-skirts without engaging in drinking themselves. A Hindu can attend a Muslim wedding and respectfully skip the meat dishes and opt only for the veggie ones. It is not necessary for anyone to evacuate a country. This should not be so hard for a man of your age and with 3 grown kids to understand. Stop acting like a Khota.
Why are you here, Bob? That “perfect society” where nobody judges anyone…does not exist on Earth. Just go to Pluto, or Uranus…pick a planet.
Goodnight, Knight. I am done here. I am sure that you will be back soon with a yet another thread with a similar topic using different words. And hopefully by that time…even the oh-so-sweet and diplomatic newbies that are not very familiar with your tendencies…will begin to connect the dots and figure out that you’ve got either an agenda or a very strong bias.
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Just a minute ago you were screaming Haram, Haram, Haram now you are agreeing that morality is a personal choice I have done my job..lol.
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LMAO. You accomplished nothing at all. The personal choices you speak of are still deemed haram in Islam…or a paap in Hinduism…or a mortal sin in some other religion. Poor Bob, it makes his skin chafe that anyone should dare think his lifestyle choices or those of his beloved Jewelia Madam might be “haram.” 
And please…I don’t scream. I prefer to to sing instead…
Haram haraamidee
Haraam-Harama-roo
That’s what Bobby
And the Julia do
Bye Bob 
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Thankfully some awesome Muslim youth are taking a progressive approach and hopefully we will see a lot more of it. Proud of my wife’s
nephew to be a part of progress, look shorts, boys, girls, Muslims, charity happiness. Yes it is possible
This is what moderate Muslims look like.
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A 70 yr old marrying a 13 yr old Syrian Refugee girl in Saudia is halal there but here it is called child molestation what maybe your Halal maybe someone’s Haram. Again this great land is not governed by Hindu, Muslim, Christian theocracy it is a secular society where people can practice their faith without judging and attacking other peoples choices
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Ahaan, shabash…and in current secular societies…there is also something called “freedom of speech” which totally allows a person of any faith to verbally express disagreement toward another’s beliefs. Just as you have the freedom to verbally disapprove of someone’s choices…people if other religions have every right to call your choices haram or whatever.
A verbal disapproval does not equal a physical prevention or anything…so stop acting like such a cry-baby about it. Good grief.
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Most of the employers will fire people for that behavior and many will ask you the question over and over again that if you disapprove the values of this society then why did you choose to be here. No one forced you. Also, judgemental people have hurt the community and I see hardly any work visa professionals from Pakistan now but hundreds from India. Before all the troubles many Pakistani professionals were given work visas..so the shaabashi goes to peeps like u for screwing over people who dreamt of coming here.
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Utha lay ray baba utha lay..
Mairy ko nhe, inn dono ko.
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Bob, I am only getting mud on myself by engaging with you. There are verifiable proofs that I could supply about you, but that’s not necessary. I believe it’s only a matter of time before even the more newer members connect the dots and start questioning your motives. So, carry on Bob.
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So you won’t be cussing, swearing and bullying today to prove how good a Muslim you are today?