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@Bobby1 I think it would serve you better to discuss Sharia inspired laws in Pakistan rather than talk about morality in general. I don’t care if someone thinks drinking is wrong or not. However, I don’t think it’s right that people (the majority) can’t legally buy alcohol in Pakistan. Scratch that. Alcohol isn’t even the biggest problem, it’s just a symptom of the real problem. The real problem is that religion and state are strongly intertwined in Pakistan. The constitution dictates that the prime minister and president have to be muslims. There is a new law that fines\jails folks for eating publicly in Ramazan. There are laws on the book that punish people for engaging in a sexual relationship outside marriage. There are laws that punish for making fun of the Muhammad.
I don’t think alcohol or any drugs are wrong as long as you use them smartly (not using being the smartest way). I don’t think a person’s religion should be factor when being considered for public office. I don’t think eating in Ramazan is a crime. I don’t think sex is a crime as long as it is between consenting adults. And don’t think making fun of Muhammad or anyone is a crime.
There is a lot to criticize and talk about without getting into morality and stuff.
And I say discuss laws in Pakistan because I’m from Pakistan and I believe a lot of people here have Pakistani roots since this is a Pakistani forum.
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While this isn’t directed at me, I suppose I could say that this is one of the examples of if Islamically something is acceptable, it doesn’t matter to me that certain segments of society would object to it. The niqab/hijab/abaya discussion is something that happens on and off over here, I could argue when politicians don’t want to touch issues that actually matter. My wife is one of the women who wears the niqab. Every now and then we run into so called feminists who try to lecture me on women’s rights and stuff, though it is my wife who wears it on her own accord. So the shoving of ones beliefs down others throats is definitely not something limited to the religious.
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I am fully and totally in support of her right to wear Niqab. I don’t care for racists of any color. You seem to be accepting and respectful of others right to choose their morality.
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Kind of funny where some people don’t protest on persecution and genocide of Shias, Ahmedis, Balochs etc there hold constitutional freedoms here so dear to their heart and use it to abuse the local population. I was in disbelief when she mentioned freedom of speech allows her to bring on hate on gays and bi SMH
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kahein kisi Ko Donald na Utthwa ley, woh tau flight ka ticket bhi khareed kar daiga aur escort kai saat rukhsaat karaiga…lol
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Exactly why was PAKistan created? 
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Where on Earth is **there **and where is here?
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Not really. Pakistan was created for muslims to have a place to practice their faith and culture freely. Pakistan was’t meant to be a Khilafat or even an Islamic Republic. It’s okay to be confused though because the current educational curriculum in Pakistan brainwashes us into thinking Pakistan was meant to be a Khilafat of some sorts. Overtime, people messed with the ideology of Pakistan for political gains.
Here is an excerpt from the Quaid’s address that hints at a secular Pakistan rather than a theological one. I went to school in Pakistan and never got to read this, despite taking Pakistan Studies as a subject year after year. What a shame.
[7]] I cannot emphasize it too much. We should begin to work in that spirit, and in course of time all these angularities of the majority and minority communities, the Hindu community and the Muslim community – because even as regards Muslims you have Pathans, Punjabis, Shias, Sunnis and so on, and among the Hindus you have Brahmins, Vashnavas, Khatris, also Bengalees, Madrasis and so on – will vanish. Indeed if you ask me, this has been the biggest hindrance in the way of India to attain the freedom and independence, and but for this we would have been free people long long ago. No power can hold another nation, and specially a nation of 400 million souls, in subjection; nobody could have conquered you, and even if it had happened, nobody could have continued its hold on you for any length of time, but for this. Therefore, we must learn a lesson from this. You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed – that has nothing to do with the business of the State. As you know, history shows that in England conditions, some time ago, were much worse than those prevailing in India today. The Roman Catholics and the Protestants persecuted each other. Even now there are some States in existence where there are discriminations made and bars imposed against a particular class. Thank God, we are not starting in those days. We are starting in the days where there is no discrimination, no distinction between one community and another, no discrimination between one caste or creed and another. We are starting with this fundamental principle: that we are all citizens, and equal citizens, of one State. The people of England in [the] course of time had to face the realities of the situation, and had to discharge the responsibilities and burdens placed upon them by the government of their country; and they went through that fire step by step. Today, you might say with justice that Roman Catholics and Protestants do not exist; what exists now is that every man is a citizen, an equal citizen of Great Britain, and they are all members of the Nation.
[8]] Now I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal, and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus, and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State.
[9]] Well, gentlemen, I do not wish to take up any more of your time; and thank you again for the honour you have done to me. I shall always be guided by the principles of justice and fair play without any, as is put in the political language, prejudice or ill-will; in other words, partiality or favouritism. My guiding principle will be justice and complete impartiality, and I am sure that with your support and co-operation, I can look forward to Pakistan becoming one of the greatest Nations of the world**.
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Mr. Jinnah’s address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
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If the founder was alive today they Mullahs would kill him for indulging in some beverages. I understand he drank a bit.
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No Bobby, no one would kill him. The current politicians/leaders indulge in a lot more and no one killed them for those reasons.
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Mumtaz Qadri was hailed a martyr and a hero by most over there. What happened to Salman Tahseer?
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He was killed for a whole different reason.
Stop trying to be controversial. Because you are not.
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So would the founder have agreed or disagreed with Tahseer about Blasphemy laws, seems like people find lots of reasons to kill people. Wasn’t Qadri applauded by most religious leaders. Please provide arguments and not judgments.
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What a immoral thread LoL
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no he wasn’t.
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I hear he also has a shrine, seems to be getting treated as a hero.
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ppl present couple thousand.
ppl not present 180million.