haha if i had to make a multi then i would not have a problem guding icicle as my multi rather than posting as my original id as “chaachi”.. jeez..stop the speculation..n y on earth wud u think i made it..maybe u made it..
i was seriously guiding the poster to see the consequences of the “deed” even though in that thread poster said she was nikahfied n in this case it’s pre-marital sex that icicle is talking bout.
Ayesha i agree with ur eye prostitution thing. that's my knowledge too. but ppl over here needs everything with Hadees. do bring that Hadees
O.K i hav heard many stories that in Pak as soon as engagement happens most guys start asking the girl to date n meet outside. if that permission is given or girls do it secretly they slowly take it one step further. they keep pressurizing the girl with" don't u trust me, don't u like me?" tactic and most girls from fear of annoying them or breaking engagements just giv in. . Thanks God i was never in this situation but its tricky to handle these things. and most men start acting like ur husband rite after engagement seriously.Correct me if i'm wrong
i agree with u 100%.
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Ok if the guy doesnt pressure you and ur madly in love with him? Baat puki ur gonna marry him etc? then ?
Im not saying if a guy pressures you to sleep with him then do it. NO thats wrong on so many levels. I wud say NO and probly hit him where it hurts. I love this guy he loves me. I wud. Wedding night aint gonna be no different tbh. Only difference wud be were married. Sex is sex b4 or after.
Ok if the guy doesnt pressure you and ur madly in love with him? Baat puki ur gonna marry him etc? then ?
Im not saying if a guy pressures you to sleep with him then do it. NO thats wrong on so many levels. I wud say NO and probly hit him where it hurts. I love this guy he loves me. I wud. Wedding night aint gonna be no different tbh. Only difference wud be were married. Sex is sex b4 or after.
true but no matter how sure u r..wat if sth happens the last minute and the engagement is called off? or God forbid sth else happens tat wedding cant happen with tat fiance? in that case a gal has lost her virginity n the guy..i guess just to be safe (keeping Islam out) it's prolly wiser to wait until after marriage cuz even if sth bad happens after marriage, next time gal marries, the prospective party will know tat she's not a virgin for legit. reasons..but in the case of gf/bf or fiance u will either be fooling the prospective party if sth were to happen to bf/fiance or inviting potential probs..
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Tru, But if the engagment does break you can always insist on it gettin back on if you both love each other. And jus get a nikkah dun.
Tru, But if the engagment does break you can always insist on it gettin back on if you both love each other. And jus get a nikkah dun.
wat if guy was only doing drama to be in luv with the gal to have sex n then changes his mind?? or other possible scenario..
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If the engagement breaks i'll never forgive myself for trusting the wrong guy. i'll find it hard to trust someone again.
Apart from Islam trust is my biggest issue. i don't wanna hav that feeling"i was used"
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I hate the "I was used" feeling :(
wat if guy was only doing drama to be in luv with the gal to have sex n then changes his mind?? or other possible scenario..
Thats jus sad tbh. The guy cud sleep with a million people. Im sure if he was to marry this girl then it wud be different. Just gotta open your mind and dont over think it. And its not always men who want it theres alot of women who manipulate guys into it.
Thats jus sad tbh. The guy cud sleep with a million people. Im sure if he was to marry this girl then it wud be different. Just gotta open your mind and dont over think it. And its not always men who want it theres alot of women who manipulate guys into it.
but tat's wat i'm asking..how can 1 be sure tat guy's not going to take advantage of the gal n be honest with her if he's going ahead with the deed before marriage..all i'm trying to say is (again keeping Islam out) it's better to wait until after marriage. Because i think tat's the only way to be sure. with a fiance and b/f u can never be too sure and there are always wat ifs..
@ libranrulz itna jazbati kyoon ho gaaiy bhai ?!!
because i see this kinda behaviour all the time in so many different things ... and unfortunately (and i'm not excluding myself from this) its our desi mentality that if someone disagrees with us for watever reason we have to get back at him ... i'm starting a charity these days and we raise money for Central Asia Institute that is run by a white guy who raises money for skools in pakistan and afghanistan and there are so many arguments that i have and all of them with brown people that our money is gonna go to waste and not to the cause ... how do u kno its going to pak/afghan and its just because a white guy is runing this and they have a opinion that white people can't do anything good for muslim people and now u can go bend yourself backwards and screw yourself but these people are not going to change their opinion or let the other person talk and i'm sick and tired of ths mentality where there is no tolerance for anyone else's opinion
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^You sound very tolerant.
but tat's wat i'm asking..how can 1 be sure tat guy's not going to take advantage of the gal n be honest with her if he's going ahead with the deed before marriage..all i'm trying to say is (again keeping Islam out) it's better to wait until after marriage. Because i think tat's the only way to be sure. with a fiance and b/f u can never be too sure and there are always wat ifs..
Umm again lets use the 'all i did was sex' thread. she got married and still got rejected and i bet she felt used. How about us women dont sleep with men at all then? You can still get used and abused when your married you kno with no way out if he doesnt wanna divorce you. And then you cant move on with ur life either.
Umm again lets use the 'all i did was sex' thread. she got married and still got rejected and i bet she felt used. How about us women dont sleep with men at all then? You can still get used and abused when your married you kno with no way out if he doesnt wanna divorce you. And then you cant move on with ur life either.
Hi MB i read all your posts on this topic and all i would like to ask you this question, why do ppl get married? To be honest majority dont do it because our religion says so but the fact that our society dictates that and we all do it for our society acceptance. If i go by what you are saying than why marry at all, atleast this way you dont have to go through with the extra baggage as well as the pain of divorce and mind you in north america as a guy i would be saving everything i own as i wont have to pay for settlement :D. I am a muslim and a practicing one at that but i dont always base my decisions on religion always because ppl dont always understand or agree with them.
because i see this kinda behaviour all the time in so many different things ... and unfortunately (and i'm not excluding myself from this) its our desi mentality that if someone disagrees with us for watever reason we have to get back at him ... i'm starting a charity these days and we raise money for Central Asia Institute that is run by a white guy who raises money for skools in pakistan and afghanistan and there are so many arguments that i have and all of them with brown people that our money is gonna go to waste and not to the cause ... how do u kno its going to pak/afghan and its just because a white guy is runing this and they have a opinion that white people can't do anything good for muslim people and now u can go bend yourself backwards and screw yourself but these people are not going to change their opinion or let the other person talk and i'm sick and tired of ths mentality where there is no tolerance for anyone else's opinion
Wow. I would not have thought there would be ignorance about that guy. Central Asia Institute is a pretty big deal.
Hi MB i read all your posts on this topic and all i would like to ask you this question, why do ppl get married? To be honest majority dont do it because our religion says so but the fact that our society dictates that and we all do it for our society acceptance. If i go by what you are saying than why marry at all, atleast this way you dont have to go through with the extra baggage as well as the pain of divorce and mind you in north america as a guy i would be saving everything i own as i wont have to pay for settlement :D. I am a muslim and a practicing one at that but i dont always base my decisions on religion always because ppl dont always understand or agree with them.
Sorry i dont get your post. Whats being muslim got to do with this thread? We get married like you said for society acceptance, Right only in our culture. 90% of things Pakistanis do is thru CULTURE. But no one says anything then abt Islam. Theres alot of things i've question'd to pakistanis about why do u do this when islam says so n so. But they dont listen. I simply answerd the question. It says FINACE not go have one night stands Luv. Thought u read my posts? Anyway .. can i jus say if your a practising muslim you shudnt tell anyone as it clearly says. It shud be Thru you and Allah. Theres no need to tell the world. As Allah doesnt like that!
Hi MB i read all your posts on this topic and all i would like to ask you this question, why do ppl get married? To be honest majority dont do it because our religion says so but the fact that our society dictates that and we all do it for our society acceptance. If i go by what you are saying than why marry at all, atleast this way you dont have to go through with the extra baggage as well as the pain of divorce and mind you in north america as a guy i would be saving everything i own as i wont have to pay for settlement :D. I am a muslim and a practicing one at that but i dont always base my decisions on religion always because ppl dont always understand or agree with them.
If this question was thru Islam that person is dumb for asking it bcoz its not allowed. However it wasnt. And i answerd.
Hi MB, my appologies for not being clear enough, well what i was trying to say was keeping Islam aside, I still think premarital sex is not right, why i say that is because it is not accepted in our society, secondly there are always insecurities in ppls mind that might change their mind after the deed and thus for the safe side you shouldn`t, FIANCE well is another socially accepted name (fancy job title) for a boyfriend and to be honest in order to nullify your “engagement” all you need is a phone call, there is no guarantee of marriage till you are married, so in my opinion (specially for girls) better safe then sorry.
P.S by no means was i trying to disrespect you in anyway but i found your posts interesting and thus wanted to comment.
Now secondly as far as being a muslim goes well i know it is between me and my Allah but i dont think it says anywhere not to mention it, you are not supposed to boast about it or anything but mentioning i dont think so, and the reason i mentioned it was just for the fact that even though i am a muslim and a lot of ppl have give ISLAM as the only reason why we shouldnt do it i said it otherwise.
Hope it clarifies.
Again this is just my opinion and is not an attack against anyone :k:
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And ohhh yeah, you mentioned one night stand 
well no where did i mention one night stand, what i said is that as we all know premarital sex is a risk and not accepted by our society and if you dont care about either then why get married at all, i mean it is hassle free, no long processes and if it doesnt work out it doesnt work out, you love the person anyways, you guys have an understanding and everything then why would you do something to please other ppl, do what makes you happy. Seriously, i am not joking about it.
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Kaun- i giv up man. No i wudnt say yes to sex with my fiance.