You people get so riled up about discussions that others with very interesting and very well substatiated ideas don't even want to post.
Sheesh.
Andhra dear, can you show me where I have made quotes without references??? <<
Ibrahim , refer to your own post in this thread (post no. 738) just above the post where you asked me this question.
If you stop cut and paste and posting trash and actually READ, you will see that sundaram here was asking the same question.
IF you cannot and IF you have little senses to apologize I will still excuse you since you are a hindu and we need to treat you differently for obvious reasons. <<
You know what, may be you are right, Ibrahim.
Since you chose to give a Hindu-Muslim angle may be it is just as well, you are a Muslim and you just prooved that you don’t read your own posts !!
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AS for the rest of the trash you posted remember my question was to Muslims and Christians.
Never mind Hinduism and Prajapati. Somebody has laready started a separate thread on that!!
Ibrahim says: Andhra dear, sundaram is asking for URL (link) for a sacred scripture in Hinduism .** In scriptures references are book names, chapters and verses not URL’s…get it???** Unless you are going to tell us, the hindu scriptures was actually revealed on the net, then I may have to apologize for failing to give links, otherwise I only need to provide references relating to the book and chapter.
NOW let us see if this can filter through into you your small brains or shall we say corrupted hindu hate mongering racist brains to show me where I have NOT quoted references for scriptural quotes as you have boldly claimed. ???
Ibrahim says : hmmm.. How in the world does one not read their own post , when it is authored by that person??
Some brains you have Andhra, little wonder hindus could end up marrying dogs to their children.
Ibrahim says : and who do you think I am but a Muslim? And my answers was very comprehensive , why have you failed to dispute them, if they are supposed to be trash in your view??
Was it too embarrassing for you to handle the fact that hindu scriptures says that human being came from a single parent, which is what you have been trying to discount in this thread???
You should be , since you are the insane hindu hate mongering spin doctor who keeps beating the same drum over and over, again and again, even though many have patiently provided CLEAR answers for whatever annoyance you habitually try to create in this forum.
Regards
Ibrahim
** Sleep in Peace, Allah (swt) is AWAKE! **
Ibrahim says: Andhra dear, sundaram is asking for URL (link) for a sacred scripture in Hinduism . In scriptures references are book names, chapters and verses not URL’s…get it??? Unless you are going to tell us, the hindu scriptures was actually revealed on the net, then I may have to apologize for failing to give links, otherwise I only need to provide references relating to the book and chapter.<<
Not at all. If you are discussing religious scriptures and quotations, you gotta provide links for them.
Otherwise I will come up with all sorts of translations and say ‘Koran 2:123’ or something. Who knows for sure?
SO, give the links!!
Ibrahim says : hmmm.. How in the world does one not read their own post , when it is authored by that person??
Answer:
When that person’s name is Ibrahim
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Otherwise you have a valid point. It IS difficult not to read one’s posts. I don’t know how you manage it!!
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Originally posted by Andhra:
Xtrme bhai, I am 'He'.
Now, I have no objection to the concept of you being my brothers. After all I am a HIndu and we believe 'All Humanity Is One Family'
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Andhra can you please prove that out of your holy book? If I'm not mistaking HINDUS aren't even allowed to sit on the same table where "non-hindus" are eating.
“WheRe iS tHe **JusTice oF **PoliTical **PowEr iF iT eXecutes tHe murdErer and jAils the plUndeRer, And thEn itSelf marcheS* upon neighb*Oring laNds, kilLIng **ThousanDs anD **PillaGing tHe veRy **Hills *?!** ”
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Originally posted by Muzna:
**You people get so riled up about discussions that others with very interesting and very well substatiated ideas don't even want to post.
Sheesh.
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Tell me about it! :~P
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Originally posted by rvikz:
ibrahim let us have unemotional and unbiased view of adam and eve
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Scientists come up with theories, and then contradict them. I will go by what the Qur'an says. Thanks.
Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.
Ibrahim says: Andhra! I think you must be the most silliest hindu I have come across, so far in this forum. But Knowing that you are a hindu, I have to excuse you, since in NO other country on this planet , Have I witnessed any rational, human being marrying their children to dogs except in India by hindus and the list of despicable acts and rituals performed in India by hindus can be mind boggling . ( but no one cares because it is done by hindus)
So your above foolish claim is very minor, so I excuse you without any reservation.
Ibrahim says : LOL. If you came up with all sorts of quotes and translations concerning the Qur’an or hadith, By the Grace of Allah ( swt) many will PROOF them false and they will not be asking for LINKS but providing the evidence to show that you have to classified as a lunatic or hate monger as you have so well proofed to be.
You may end up having problems not me, get it???
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Ibrahim says IF you want links ask your brethren to set up web sites with the ENTIRE ( UNEDITED , UNSPLICED ) hindu scriptures and make them online for all to view.
Now show me a hindu web site that is online that has this . I mean all the Vedas, without splice jobs, all the smrti’s without splice jobs, all the Upanishads without splice jobs, all the purana’s without splice jobs.
Now IF you cannot find one on the web, go ask your hindu scholars what the hell are they doing???, 800 million goons ( sorry this is a fact, since you overwhelmingly attest to this fact) on this planet and they cannot put their scriptures in their entirety even in the Sanskrit language .
what a pity or shall we say what a scam?? Like the Jews, when people have things to hide they just do not reveal them and anyone who tries to reveal them may end up dead.
Just to show you how amazing hindus ( your brethren) are
** Bone-eating ritual** prevented
PTI WEDNESDAY, ** MARCH 13, 2002 ** 9:46:14 PM ]
COIMBATORE: Police this year prevented ** the age-old custom of chewing the bones of dead at burial grounds,** being practised by a particular community–Kolayar 24th Manai Telegu Chettiars–on Mahashivarathri day in this district. A three-member ** spear-wielding group of the community, who danced their way to a burial ground ** at Sundakkamuthur, about 20 km from here on Tuesday night, ** to chew the calcified remains,** were in for a shock when the police prevented them from entering the graveyard. Only the temple priest of Angala Parameswari, the community’s deity, was allowed to do pooja in the burial ground, with coconuts and bananas.The community leaders said the customary pooja at Angala Parameswarai temple in Sundakkamuthur village would normally be preceded** by the ritual of digging up of the graves and chewing of bones.** ** The ritual Mayana Kollai, which was in vogue for the past several decades, is being practised to ward off the possibility of the community members dying on Shivarathri day, ** they said.‘‘Now that we have been prohibited from practising our ritual, I do not know what will happen to the community,’’ said a worried Arumugam Chettiar.** The bizarre ritual came to light when the private Tamil satellite channels extensively covered the event last year. ** Police had made elaborate security arrangements to prevent the practice as it had invited severe criticism from all quarters.
Ibrahim says: before you say you need LINK, let me give you link http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=3690714
ibrahim it shows how varied culture of india
from vegetarians to bone eating people.
see how much fun pakistanis missing .
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COIMBATORE: Police this year prevented ** the age-old custom of chewing the bones of dead at burial grounds,** being practised by a particular community--Kolayar 24th Manai Telegu Chettiars--on Mahashivarathri day in this district. A three-member ** spear-wielding group of the community, who danced their way to a burial ground ** at Sundakkamuthur, about 20 km from here on Tuesday night, ** to chew the calcified remains,** were in for a shock when the police prevented them from entering the graveyard. Only the temple priest of Angala Parameswari, the community's deity, was allowed to do pooja in the burial ground, with coconuts and bananas.The community leaders said the customary pooja at Angala Parameswarai temple in Sundakkamuthur village would normally be preceded** by the ritual of digging up of the graves and chewing of bones.** ** The ritual Mayana Kollai, which was in vogue for the past several decades, is being practised to ward off the possibility of the community members dying on Shivarathri day, ** they said.''Now that we have been prohibited from practising our ritual, I do not know what will happen to the community,'' said a worried Arumugam Chettiar.** The bizarre ritual came to light when the private Tamil satellite channels extensively covered the event last year. ** Police had made elaborate security arrangements to prevent the practice as it had invited severe criticism from all quarters.
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Yakk eating bones of dead. Astaghfirollah!
Ibrahim, so after quoting left and right from Hindu scriptures all around your posts, you are admitting that you can’t provide Web Sites or URLs to back up your assertions!!
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Ibrahim says IF you want links ask your brethren to set up web sites with the ENTIRE ( UNEDITED , UNSPLICED ) hindu scriptures and make them online for all to view.
Now show me a hindu web site that is online that has this . I mean all the Vedas, without splice jobs, all the smrti’s without splice jobs, all the Upanishads without splice jobs, all the purana’s without splice jobs.
Now, if anybody bothers to read your posts in detail, I am sure they will never find YOU mentioning your sources. sO, in absence of web sites, your SOURCES are books on Hinduism and conversations with Hindus!!
Now IF you cannot find one on the web, go ask your hindu scholars what the hell are they doing???,
Sorry, Hindus don’t feel the need to brag about their Religion as people. Whatever the reason, there is little funding for propagating Hinduism unlike other religions.
Still there are good ones.
http://www.virtualpune.com/html/channel/edu/institutes/html/bhandark.shtml
Or if you want Brahmin trashing http://www.ambedkar.org
Anyway Vedas and upanishads have long been translated. No doubt there are Web Sites with translations. I will definitely give the links if I come across them. Meanwhile try Western Universities!!
What is evident is your own duplicity. Why didn’t you ever mention that all the quotes you gave are from the Books you read or came across.
Whenver I quote Koran, for example I mention my sources, if I can’t give a hyperlink.
I guess you are too busy reading about HIndus eating bones of the dead!!
pakistanis relax we are not going to make a meal out of you. we prefer eating vegetarians
eating vegis eh
Ibrahim says ; Andhra ! IF YOU HAVE SUFFICIENT BRAINS TO THINK, let me make this CLEAR to you for the last time .
Scriptures are :- ** a body of writings considered sacred or authoritative in religion and each scripture has a name and is kept by respective followers in good faith **
They are not story books that run out of print or literature that is written by some tom, dick and harry for entertainment.
Each scripture although initially when revealed had no REFERENCE pointers, in time have been given exact identifiable reference numbers by the respective followers of that faith.
Any discussion involving scriptures only NEED these reference pointers not web sites or urls which are set up by some tom dick and harry , where the contents may be adjusted or altered to suit the webs site owners requirements
Ibrahim says : sheesz I repeat, ** all my quotes have references** , If you can show me one without any, show me or else STOP telling lies.
Scriptures are not hindu books they are Hindu sacred texts…get it???
Ibrahim says: you mean hindus better hide their sacred teachings , for revealing them will surely make them look like FOOLs, who may end up worshipping anything and everything without sound reason.
Ibrahim says : you must be ignorant , for hindus have overwhelming wealth which they collect from their own worshippers and inaddition from looting the minorities in India, they can afford to set up missions across the board. Go check up how many missions they have in USA. And what amount of wealth the hindu NRI’s transfer to India.
Ibrahim says: LOL! it is not me that need to verify them it is you so , go and search for them and verify my quotes. And STOP making a mockery of yourself BTW were you not the idiot who claimed hindus do not need to follow scriptures??? now why are you lying they have no money to publish them???
Ibrahim says : what stupidity!! ,** a source for a scripture is the name of the scripture ** , not a publisher of the scriptures for scriptures are sacred texts and have NO copy rights or a property of some tom dick and harry. Any person who, claims otherwise is a lunatic for sure.
Ibrahim says : No! I am busy looking at this
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the level of hindu lunacy and the atrocities the goons in India are committing ruthlessly because goons like you are busy spreading falsehood and spin doctoring the truth so that the stench that India generates will remain covered up form the sight of decent people.
Read!
** Ritual involving child prostitute ** stopped by police http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_545580.html?menu=
Police have stopped Indian prostitutes performing ** a ritual that involves suspending a naked girl at the end of a bamboo pole.**
The ** three-day annual festival of Shidi Jatra is famous for hoisting a child prostitute on a swing suspended from a 120ft-long pole.**
The ** child then showers blessings on devotees five times while hovering over a temple dedicated to the goddess Yellamma.**
The Patrike newspaper reports the ritual has been performed uninterrupted for 200 years at a temple in Polepalli in Andhra Pradesh. Lower caste Hindu women officiate as priestesses.
The paper says** hundreds of Yellamma devotees who arrived to witness the ritual ** complained about being driven away by policemen.
Police took away the bamboo pole used for the ceremony despite the organisers saying they’d use an idol of the goddess instead of the child.
Mallavva, a 23-year-old woman who had arrived for the festivities, said: ** “People should not mess with gods like that. It’s a bad omen.”**
Women’s groups have been opposing the ceremony for years on the grounds ** it demeans women. **
The movement gathered steam when a child prostitute, or jogini, suspended to the end of the bamboo pole fell to her death.
** Jalaja Krishnamurthy, a women’s rights activist, said: “We like others to believe that we treat woman with great dignity and respect, but reality is very different.** The continuance of such terrible practices only reduces our status.”
Story filed: 15:25 Friday 15th March 2002
Ibrahim says: So here we have it from the horses mouth, hindu women in India are actually demeaned whilst people like you try to hide the truth and claim they are being treated well.
Now STOP spin doctoring and try and do something about this demented personality hindus have acquired.
Andhra could you be so nice and answer my question on page 2 of this thread.
Thank you.
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Originally posted by 'The PAKI PRINCESS':
Wait a minute, let me ask you a question.
Ive heard that hindus believe that the cows are thier mothers, as they call them 'ma'. does that mean that everyone is a child of a cow. Surely we would look like our mothers, and im certain that I do not look like a cow
Lady...i suppose you have sufficent brians to understnad this...hindus say cow is equivalent to their mother..and i suppose you understand what equivalent is...
we even call our mother's sister as maasi i.e like mother....
and sometimes childrens don't look like their mother or father...what does that mean
...i suppose in that case they have to search for someone whose face resembles to theirs and then call them MA...
Ibrahim,
Ibrahim says : sheesz I repeat, all my quotes have references , If you can show me one without any, show me or else STOP telling lies. <<
Ibrahim, I repeat for the last time. Please refer to my posts and if you want examples of your crappy posts, refer to Post no 738 on this very thread posted by you, giving a lot of quotes without saying where you got the quote from.
Now, I know you got your brain in your knee cap, but push it up a little bit and think.
This is what I mean by giving references.
1.Tell me where you picked up the quote from, i.e, who wrote it or translated it and who published it.
2.Or else, take advantage of the internet and provide the URL if there is one.
You do neither in your posts. You keep on mentioning the scripture and giving the quote.
Ali_R,
Andhra could you be so nice and answer my question on page 2 of this thread.
Thank you.<<
Yes indeed I can.
http://www.hindubooks.org/david_frawley/awaken_bharata/sarva_dharma_samabhava/page1.htm
A common tenet of Hinduism is "Sarva Dharma Sambhava, which literally means that all Dharmas (truths) are equal to or harmonious with each other. In recent times this statement has been taken as meaning “all religions are the same” - that all religions are merely different paths to God or the same spiritual goal.
Based on this logic the religious path that one takes in life is a matter of personal preference, like choosing whether to eat rice or chapatis to fill one’s stomach. One’s choice in religion is merely incidental and makes no real difference in the spiritual direction of one’s life. Any path is as good as any other. The important thing is to follow a path. However since the religion of one’s birth is not only as good as any other, but is the closest to access and easiest to understand, one should usually follow it whatever it may happen to be.
From this point of view whether one is Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Muslim, or of another religious belief is not important. Whether one goes to a temple, church or mosque, it is all the same. Whether one prays to Jesus or Allah or meditates upon Buddha or Atman the results cannot be ultimately different. All religions are equally valid ways of knowing God or truth. The outer differences between religions are merely incidental while their inner core is one, the knowledge of the Divine or supreme reality. Therefore members of all religious groups should live happily together, recognizing that there is no real conflict in what they believe in but only superficial variations of name and form.
** During the time of the Prophet Adam (a.s), the rules were different. The prohibition against Incest is applicable now. **
Well, there we go. Discussion over. You have your answer now Andhra.
In my opinion, Islam is a religion of contradictions. This is a glaring example of that.