Re: ICC to probe 'scoring patterns' in 3rd ODI between Pak-Eng
No man, spotfixing can be done in either case, winniing or loosing.. Actually its not about the result at all.. its just the spots
yeah i know man ......but after what happened i dont think so anyone of our players can do it
Than even i can say that morgan did spot fixing and got out coz at that point england was winning
This tabloid is doing Hawai firing yaar
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Well, as again , there is a high alert for PCB lawyers team.. a good assignment too. Get the lawsuit ready. And guess wut, if a couple of decisions go against these papers, they will become dumb for good. But for that we need some one who can think in PCB, not sleep.
Re: ICC to probe 'scoring patterns' in 3rd ODI between Pak-Eng
so u mean that we should also think that 3rd ODI was fixed too
nope.. if you have read my earlier posts on this thread you will see that im no tbuying this.. cuz its mere talk right now.. absolutely no evidence.. very vague..so im waiting on more details..
on the butt asif amir case there it was sooo obvious right from the beginning...enough evidence for me.... everyone is convinced waleed..at some points you were convinced too i believe.. but it's the denial and self ego massaging that brings you back to the delusion mode...
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Typical emotional reaction by the fans, playing the discrimination and the racial bias card. Well on one hand we claim to be sick and tired of the corruption but on the other hand we raise hue and cry when such corruption is highlighted. It's high time that this corruption and stigma of match-fixing and spot-fixing was rooted out once and for all.
The allegation this time is not of match-fixing but spot fixing. The Sun had already informed ICC BEFORE the game that the game was fixed and to look out for certain patterns in batting, and it just so happed that Pakistan's batting followed that pattern. Now there's a chance that this was a mere coincidence, just as Amir's and Asif's no-balls in the fourth Test were coincidences. However, if someone is able to uncannily and accurately predict beforehand when a no-ball will be bowled or how many runs/wickets will be made in a period, then that person deserves a Nobel prize for his research in probability and prediction.
We need to let the law run its course before crying fowl.
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what is wrong with the Pakistani players? apart from lack of integrity and shame it appears they have also become really really dumb! just a couple of weeks after spot fixing scandal that saw the Pakistani captain banned along with two others, now they do this?
And what is wrong with authorities in the UK, in India and in Dubai? repeatedly it seems they have information about these bookies in these locations - why haven't these criminals been caught?
Re: ICC to probe 'scoring patterns' in 3rd ODI between Pak-Eng
Typical emotional reaction by the fans, playing the discrimination and the racial bias card. Well on one hand we claim to be sick and tired of the corruption but on the other hand we raise hue and cry when such corruption is highlighted. It's high time that this corruption and stigma of match-fixing and spot-fixing was rooted out once and for all.
The allegation this time is not of match-fixing but spot fixing. The Sun had already informed ICC BEFORE the game that the game was fixed and to look out for certain patterns in batting, and it just so happed that Pakistan's batting followed that pattern. Now there's a chance that this was a mere coincidence, just as Amir's and Asif's no-balls in the fourth Test were coincidences. However, if someone is able to uncannily and accurately predict beforehand when a no-ball will be bowled or how many runs/wickets will be made in a period, then that person deserves a Nobel prize for his research in probability and prediction.
We need to let the law run its course before crying fowl.
yahiee to mei bee keh raha hoon janab....ICC was informed before the match about pakistan's scoring pattern..not england's ...so why are we diverting attention to england?....and you know what.....we can also carry out sting operations against other teams...our media is very smart these days....but these sting operations will be successful if other teams are doing something seriosuly wrong....apparantly they are not and we are....hameed was right....jo pakra jayee wohiee chor ha........if indian, brits and aussies are also doing it, ask freakin ISI and GEO to arrange a sting operation agaisnt them................
i dismissed SUN's allegations last nite but when i saw ICC confirming the news, i had to take it seriously....this is a serious issue.....someone informs ICC of a scoring pattern for an upcoming match and then ICC observed pakistani team following that pattern, what do you expect ICC to do? i do have some doubts though and I have already outlined them.....till the 40th over, players who were at stage are not involved in fixing....those who were, got out very cheaply....but who knows.....it could be about first 5 overs....akmal aand haeez both are corrupt....toba ha...pakistan nay to cricket ko gutter bana daya ha.....
Re: ICC to probe 'scoring patterns' in 3rd ODI between Pak-Eng
I don't know if Karam Akmal and Hafeez are involved in any sort of spot fixing but if someone claims that just based on their performances in the 3rd ODI then I am speechless. A Tabloid tells ICC that the two are going to score 6 runs in the first over and 2 runs in the second over , which is what happened before they got out, in fact one of them got out in the 2nd over but that is not the issue as ICC is investigating scoring patterns and not dismissals. My question is what is so unusual if the two indeed scored 8 runs in the first two overs and the Sun was able to predict that (according to them they got the info)??
Re: ICC to probe 'scoring patterns' in 3rd ODI between Pak-Eng
I don't know if Karam Akmal and Hafeez are involved in any sort of spot fixing but if someone claims that just based on their performances in the 3rd ODI then I am speechless. A Tabloid tells ICC that the two are going to score 6 runs in the first over and 2 runs in the second over , which is what happened before they got out, in fact one of them got out in the 2nd over but that is not the issue as ICC is investigating scoring patterns and not dismissals. My question is what is so unusual if the two indeed scored 8 runs in the first two overs and the Sun was able to predict that (according to them they got the info)??
doesn't that sound suspicious to you? We'll ofcourse have to wait and see whether the data Sun has is just onr or two overs or more than that. One oer I can give it a benefit of doubt but more than that....hm!
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doesn't that sound suspicious to you? We'll ofcourse have to wait and see whether the data Sun has is just onr or two overs or more than that. One oer I can give it a benefit of doubt but more than that....hm!
I was specifically talking about the role of Hafeez and Akmal in the potential spot fixing during the third ODI and no it doesn't sound suspicous to me. The number of balls the two faced are simply NOT siginificant enough to draw a conclusion that their scoring pattern matched a pattern which the Tabloid had.
Akmal hit 2 scoring shots in his innings. One was a boundary of Bresnon on his last ball of the first over. Was it Akmal's fault that he hit a boundary on a bad ball? Lets say there was some spot fixing involved in that ball and book makers were predictting a boundary of that ball based on information they got in advance. Who would you question? Akmal who played a good shot on a bad ball or Bresnon who bowled a bad ball? Other than that Akmal played 3-4 dot balls in the begining and you don't have to be a rocket scientist to predict that considering that it was the first over.
Hafeez just faced 3 balls for one scoring shot.
Re: ICC to probe 'scoring patterns' in 3rd ODI between Pak-Eng
^ that is why I said we'll have to await details that Sun says they are witholding pending investigation.
Guess one can be coincidence or luck
guessing two starts a pattern and a trend
guessing more than that confirms the crime
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supposedly overs 39 and 40 are under suspicion, atleast according to the independent. Its a bit ridiculous, the article mentions Afridi’s runout in suspicious tones, as if he was planning to have that ball ricochet off his bat onto the stumps.
This would mean that amongst Afridi/Fawad Alam/Razzaq is the person Sun is claiming is the person who liases with the bettors, and ensures the deals. I doubt Fawad Alam has enough clout amongst those three and Razzaq doesnt play most matches. So its really Afridi then isnt it.
Re: ICC to probe ‘scoring patterns’ in 3rd ODI between Pak-Eng
Absolutely worthless reporting. The guy is implying that Pakustan scored only 7 runs when they could have scored more. With the dismissals of two set batsman, with 10 overs to go and Gul on the other end, Razzaq obviously had to be cautious.
About Afridi not putting his bat in the crease. That is someting which is considered against the basic cricket technique of grounding the bat but time and again we have seen so many players doing that and paying the price.
If ICC is really focusig on these two overs then they have proved yet again that they indeed are International Clueless Clowns by prematurely giving this statement.
“A source informed The Sun newspaper that a certain scoring pattern would emerge during certain stages of the match and, broadly speaking, that information appeared to be correct,”
“Although it is worth pointing out at this stage that we are not stating as fact that anything untoward has occurred. Only in the fullness of the investigation can that be established.”
Even if the information by conincidence appeared to be correct, they could have done their investigation in the background without creating this unneccasary controversy.
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^ I just watched the Afridi run out on youtube. It does look to me that Afridi, after realizing that the throw is coming in is actually checking himself instead of diving down with the bat - in fact if you watch the slow motion he is assuming the stance of a fencer laying anchor on both feet (when he should have neen running or diving) and his bat is actually going up!!! for a while before being brought down!
My goodness! it would be something beastly if it was Afridi in the crosshair!
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Amzaing how so many views will swiing based on Tabloild news which will make every dismissal, shot, ball look so suspicious. I hope some Tabloid will now report about the catch dropped by Younis Khan in last years Champions Trophy semi final which lead Dasti to claim that the semi final was fixed. I would be anxious to see how people will change their view about Younis and say* yes, we knew something was wrong there. *
So the way I see it if Dasti say something we will react differently compared to our reaction when something a Tabloid claims. As far as Incompetent Clueless Clowns (ICC) are concerned, they and their incompetent ASCU cant do anything except waiting for tabloid like NOTW and Sun to provide them masala materials.
Re: ICC to probe ‘scoring patterns’ in 3rd ODI between Pak-Eng
So we have a match on 20th. Wut if I give you the Pakistani batting pattern right now? How much money will SUN or NOTW offer me for this “valuable” information? 
Re: ICC to probe 'scoring patterns' in 3rd ODI between Pak-Eng
SID.. lets hear it :D
Re: ICC to probe 'scoring patterns' in 3rd ODI between Pak-Eng
SID.. lets hear it :D
Not without money on table.. Men kyon is behti ganga men hath na dhoaon :D
Re: ICC to probe 'scoring patterns' in 3rd ODI between Pak-Eng
hahah @ behti ganga main haath dhona.... i see pakistanis use this indian line too!!
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^^ does it has indian tag with it?
well we can say now behtey flood main hath dhona.. :D
Re: ICC to probe 'scoring patterns' in 3rd ODI between Pak-Eng
haha aho.. i was just saying.. bcoz of "ganga" (river in india).. eitherway it doesnt matter.. our languages and vocabs are intermingled!