Re: ICC to probe 'scoring patterns' in 3rd ODI between Pak-Eng
yeah but ICC had the tip about the scoring pattern....and pakis matched the pattern..here is what IIC cheif said:
"A source informed The Sun newspaper that a certain scoring pattern would emerge during certain stages of the match and, broadly speaking, that information appeared to be correct," Haroon Lorgat, the ICC chief executive, said.
now i respect haroon.....for him to say what he said above means that ICC had the information beforehand.....we dont know how closely our team matched the pattern.....it could very well be a coincidence...but what i dont believe that ICC is doing a conspiracy against us....i dont care about SUN but the fact remains that SUN involved ICC and passed on the info to them...that makes this case serious...
Oh Cmon!
And Haroon said he is not saying anything wrong has happened. We shudnt be swallowing whatever they regurgitate infront of us. Even the statement Haroon made is vague, like the "scoring pattern" "broadly speaking" was same. Now what can be made of this statement. Haroon is supposed to come up with what exactly is one the table rather than making a vague statement. And if he doesnt want to share the info with public at present, there is no need to say that there are suspicions, what purpose does it serve.
If they had said something worth beleiving i would consider it, like Umar Akmal getting out was suspicious to me, but runs scored at different stages of game can be an intelligent guess rather than anything else.
Re: ICC to probe 'scoring patterns' in 3rd ODI between Pak-Eng
if this is proven to be false, the PCB MUST take this tabloid to court. either these allegations must be proven and the guilty players punished. otherwise, these tabloids must be sued into bankruptcy. if the PCB sits on its hands as usual, no Pak team in the future will be able to play in peace without some English tabloid throwing such dirt at the team.
Re: ICC to probe 'scoring patterns' in 3rd ODI between Pak-Eng
I am more disappointed with ICC than the newspaper. Even if they did have the lead... and they thought what happened was similar.. this statement that haroon made was retarrded. either provide details or stfu and get more details before you speak up... the statement was too vague..
Re: ICC to probe 'scoring patterns' in 3rd ODI between Pak-Eng
i agree that PCB should sue these bastar-ds (if these are baseless allegations).......yes I still have some respect for ICC as I believe that ICC won't entertain any baseless allegation as it would hurt the image of sport as well....
just put yourself in place of haroon....most of us would have acted the same way....ICC got a tip and info they got before the match is inline (broadly speaking) with some of the statistical pattern they observed during the match....now it could very well be coincidental...that is why it is important to know the correlation between the tip and actual score....but harron is right by making a careful statement...how can he release all the details before the internal investigation is complete? There has to be some merit in the information that was provided to ICC, otherwise ICC would have not taken it seriously…now if that is not the case then ICC is acting extremely irresponsibly as well…. ICC must conduct a speedy investigation and if it finds it baseless they should tell the whole world and then PCB should screw these SOBs....
Re: ICC to probe 'scoring patterns' in 3rd ODI between Pak-Eng
the only possibility could be towards the end of the game….razaq, umar gul, and ajmal are 100% capable of spot fixing….they have been with this team for so long and in last 3 years, only those players have been been allowed by the corrupt tola to establish in the team who were willing to oblige…PERIOD…that is why younis is out of the team...we all see how they kicked sarfraz ahmaad and zulqurnain out....yousaf was kicked out.....khuram manzoor was discared after one innings...not even one new player has been allowed to establish...the team was always composed of butt, farhat, shoaib malik, ajmal, kamran akmal, umar akmal, aamir, asif and gul..and i think all of them have been involved....
PD, for some reason I cannot imagine players like Umar Gul and Saeed Ajmal involve in sort of spot fixing. But that is my personal opinion.
What I find most surprsing is people automatically assuming that if Pakistan innings has followed a particular scoring pattern therefore Pakistani batsmen are automatically involved. There is very little or no evidence as PD mentioned about the first 5-6 batsmen. And if that is the case then why can't we point fingers at English bowlers or fielders?? May be they deliberatly underperformed to match the scoring pattern which ICC is talking about?
It is funny that we can believe that all pakistan bowlers have the capability to underperform and let the opposing batsmen score runs but when it comes to this report no one is even ready for a second to think that maybe English bowlers did something fishy and let Pakistan players like Shahfiq and Fawad Alam score runs..
If everyone wants to talk about these conspiracy theories, then here is mine. England had all the reasons to even fix that game just to develop fan's interest in the dead series. I can bet if something like collapsing for 5-17 would have happened to Pakistan team yesterday chasing English target, all hell would have broken lose!!!
And by the way, as per SUN's report there was apparently one ring leader in Pakistan squad who led this fixing in yesterday's game. Whhat are they scared of? Why didn't they name the player?
ICC officials on the other hand are a bunch of moron and Haroon Logart is proving to be their head moron. They created another controversy while we are still dealing with previous one and then said nothing has yet been proven in relation to the third ODI between England and Pakistan. Stupid morons could have done some more investigation before creating this chaos...
Re: ICC to probe 'scoring patterns' in 3rd ODI between Pak-Eng
I firmly believe they are playing with the minds of Pakistani cricketers and officials..
Even if a beginner starts watching Pakistani cricket, its never too difficult to predict the scoring patterns of Pakistani cricket teams. Especially under present circumstances, when pakistani team tries to save wickets in the beginning.
And the wicket was upto 260 run in a day/night match, its not that difficult either. Its totally wrong to say its 300 runs pitch.
And wutever Haroon logart is saying, its all due to the reason that ICC is under world-heavy pressure to get pakis down for the spot-fixing. Its definitely going to impact the other case of Amir/Butt as well. Wut they are trying to do is to corner ICC to expel Pakistan from initernational cricket. Initially I didnt believe it, but now its getting evident.
Hopefully PCB idiots will now wake up and be more energetic and sensible. Otherwise a small lacklustre and Pakistani cricket will go in the ages of caves
Re: ICC to probe 'scoring patterns' in 3rd ODI between Pak-Eng
^ Quite agree a 5/17 collapse and hell would have broken loose and Pakistan players would have been accused of throwing the match. The PCB lawyer has said that these allegations are rubbish and have no basis. He didn't say when those jawaris were involved.
Re: ICC to probe 'scoring patterns' in 3rd ODI between Pak-Eng
Until there is more details of what exactly were these 'scoring patterns' that ICC knew before the game started, I can not make anything out of it. They should make their information public and then we can apply our judgements.
However as far as the case against the trio is concerned, the video evidence is damning and there is no doubt in mind, particularly after watching Butt's pres conference, that they are guilty.
Re: ICC to probe 'scoring patterns' in 3rd ODI between Pak-Eng
Maybe they have thought that after taking out the trio they can beat Pakistani team as they are playing against street kids and yet they cant believe they lost:D
Re: ICC to probe 'scoring patterns' in 3rd ODI between Pak-Eng
Sometime...Ignoring is the best solution...I would try to avoid morons whom I think are below par my intelligence... :D
PS: In the near future...a Pakistani bowler will take 8 wickets in a signle over...and a Pakistani batsman will score 1000 runs in a single test match...now beat that... :D
