ICC Super series. Rest of the world Squads named

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Once again Osman Samiuddin nails the argument with his excellent comments.

Balancing the hype with competitiveness](http://content.cricinfo.com/superseries/content/story/216878.html)

Who would want to be a selector? If you’re lucky you please some of the people some of the time. If you’re dreaming you please all the people all the time. If your constituency is slightly larger than that of the average national selector, as was the case for the selectors of the World XI squad then, well, good luck.

A glance at both the squads announced by the ICC selectors and the criterion they laid out for selections suggests that, try as they might to convince the world that theirs was an exercise dictated only by on-field endeavour and considerations, it was clearly accompanied by no little commercial nous.

It’s not that the squads are weak, far from it in fact. By and large, they are a comprehensive representation of players acknowledged as the best in the world over the last year. But within the squads there are some selections - and some omissions - which only enhance the suspicion that the selectors were swayed at least as much by star value as they were by form and performance.

Inzamam-ul-Haq: stunning form, but hardly a man who revels in hype

It could explain Inzamam-ul-Haq’s absence from either squad; a Test average of nearly 60 and an ODI average of 45 since the beginning of 2004 is cancelled out by a personality cocooned from hype and celebrity. Undoubtedly it doesn’t help that his record against Australia is poor and popular misconceptions about his comical running (it has actually improved) and his fielding (inside the circle and at slip, he is still more than competent) persist. But a poor record against Australia hasn’t harmed the prospects of Jacques Kallis.

Sachin Tendulkar lacks nothing in star value, but he does lack form, runs and match fitness. In ODIs, he averages 36.80 since the beginning of 2004. And lest the more zealous among us think it is a nationality bias, it isn’t; Tendulkar’s team-mate Rahul Dravid has figures to compare to Inzamam’s, and in fact anyone in the world, yet finds himself only in the Test squad.

Dravid’s omission from the ODI squad hints at the selectors’ predilection for the superficial, for following fashion over form; despite his growth as an ODI player, Dravid doesn’t astonish a crowd - or selectors - with his daring and bravado as does a Tendulkar. But currently, he is more likely to score runs and that too against Australia. But it seems a World XI without Tendulkar, in or out of form, is still near-blasphemous.

However, if Inzamam and Dravid’s cases are marginal, then the exclusion of Chaminda Vaas from the ODI squad is shocking, and highlights best the central dilemma that plagued the selectors. Vaas is not quick and he doesn’t take the breath away with speed as Shoaib Akhtar does; neither is he an admirable product of a controversial, much-discussed and far-reaching social policy as Makhaya Ntini is. But as an opening and closing bowler with rare intelligence and rarer gifts of control, seam and cut, he is almost unparalleled in ODIs, a successor to the original left-arm of God. To boot, he has a robust record against the Australians.

Chaminda Vaas: his omission from the one-day squad is a travesty © Getty Images

With Shoaib at least, there is no comparison, statistically, spiritually or in practice - Vaas has taken 40 wickets in 23 ODIs (Shoaib has 37 from 28) at nearly ten runs less per wicket (19.75) and with an economy rate almost a whole run better (3.95 per over) since January 2004. And, an Afro-Asian Cup apart, Shoaib has played no international cricket since January, although that hasn’t precipitated lesser media coverage.

Many more debates, borne perhaps from a skewed sense of national identity and pride, are likely to emerge over coming days. Daniel Vettori possesses a decent record against Australia and burgeoning batting skills additionally, but can he really bowl the side out to win a game, as Anil Kumble (in particular) and Harbhajan Singh (to a lesser extent) have done? Does Ntini’s legendary fitness, stamina and increasing incisiveness not deserve a place in the Test side too? Has Steve Harmison developed enough ODI cunning and confidence to warrant a place? And is his captain Michael Vaughan not in possession of a supreme record against the Australians, as well as a fondness for Australian tracks, to manage a place in the top order?

The most pertinent of those debates, however, will remain. To ensure the success of the Super Series, the ICC selectors are in need of hype just as they are in need of a competitive contest, and they have picked the personnel best suited to achieve that aim.

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Vaas and Inzi are omitted :eek:

Sachin and Shoaib are in both teams :hehe: Its so funny that both of these are not evan able to make it to their national teams (not on the basis of talent or something but on the basis of fitness or lack of it) oh but then there is a commercial side of the game which has nothing to do with form, talent and recent records!

Shame on Sunil!

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"This is the first time for decades that the greatest players from the rest of the world have combined their talents"
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Grem Smith was amongst my favorites to lead the team so not much surprised to find him as Test Captain. He tried his best to settle down the disputes amongst South African players, and turned them back into a unit.Pollock is a bit surprise. There is always room for discussion but the teams are seleced nicely.

It is not much surprising to see Inzy out of the squad. He wass never a good performer against Australia.
Test av. : 34
ODI av. : 31

Like always, most Pakistani players were ignored in user-poles, Akhter is amongst the most successful bowlers against Australia, and he failed to get enough user votes. His strike rate can threaten any team in Tests. Afridi is a good selection and he will definitely make it in ODIs.

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"There are no weak links in either of these squads. Everywhere you look there is an outstanding player whose talent enriches the game."
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Akhter delivers when he is fit, while Inzy fails to deliver at times. In most recent tour of Australia

Inzy scored just 1 run against Aus in 2 Test innings at average of 0.50. If selectors were blind they must have selected him and offered him captancy as well.

Shoaib took 11 wickets in 3 Tests at average of 30.56. Akhter also scored 42 runs in 6 innings at an average of 7.0.

Thats why Shoaib is in the squad and Inzy is not there. At least this time Inzy and PCB were not there to declare Shoaib un-fit.

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I am very surprised with your short-sighteness because I did not expect you to throw this argument with our very own Shoaib Akhtar in the squad. and you say Inzi is injury-prone? Oh well by this token, Sachin and Shoaib dont deserve to be in the team either (Its another matter that Sachin doesnt qualify for it on performance either
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Shoaib Akhter is a genuine fast bowler, its his God given right to have injuries, whereas Inzi is a lazy, never changing his position batsman who doesnt and has never done any physical exercize in his entire life (ask Waseem Akram). Professional cricketers are recognized internationally for their talent and professional commitment. Inzi has stamped his talent abilities, sadly everyone knows how much attention he pays to physical fitness.

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Secondly, do you really think English would have been a critieria, they have enough interpreters in the team In dravid agar uss ki zaroorat paray but Inzi can get his point accross even with his bad english communication skills
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Yes, it is extremely important when u r dealing with eleven players who can only understand each otherwhen spoken in english, not sign language or Punjabi or urdu. This is not about a Pakistani team or Sub-Continental pakat dhakat eleven, this is the world eleven and u have to represent all teams not only on the ground, in dressing room and in front of cameras/media. THE BOYZZZZZ (Inzi english dialect) is extremely painful to hear from a Pakistani supporter perspective, imagine how others will feel or think of Boyzzzz...

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I dare to disagree. SUPER SIX series was meant to be

AUS vs Best of the Rest of the World Eleven.

Where does english come in from? If you are ready to name it as

AUS vs Rest of the World English Speaking, Good looking, Smart Gentelman Eleven

then i can agree

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You are contradicting your own post here by favouring Shoaib Akhter. Professional sportsmen should also be 100% fit to compete no matter how much “God Gifted” they are they should sit OUT if they are not 100% fit.

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When u talk about Captaining eleven non-Pakis

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You are contradicting your own post here by favouring Shoaib Akhter. Professional sportsmen should also be 100% fit to compete no matter how much "God Gifted" they are they should sit OUT if they are not 100% fit.

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Say what? Favoring SA is now considered to contradictory? Guy did his time, came back fit and committed. Fact is SA is treated by different standards while desi favorite Inzi gets away with Aussi fitness problems with no questions asked. I totally agree with u on the fitness issue, but it sud be applied in a fair manner.

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why is pietersen in the squad? he hasn't played any ODIs against aussies in australia then on wht bases is he included in the squad?

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Players are selected on many things; one of them is their batting order. Pieterson was probably the best choice at his position.

It was strange for me to find only two players from Pak. I was shocked to see how Pakistan is ignored in these teams. Just two players were selected in total and one of them is highly controversial in Pakistan.

Selection for international squads can never be easy and convenient and most people will have objections. Anyways, as the teams have been selected, we must choose between Aus and "The rest of the World" as our favorites.

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Umar I agree with you but some of Pakistani players were 100% on merit to be selected on whatever criteria they had for selection.
The exclusion of Inzi is a big question mark on selectors decesion and very disappointing for every Pakistani.

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Almost all Pakistani players that made it to the second stage were on merit. There was a big competition for each and every position.

Inzy must have been an option for middle-order batting line-up in Test squad. The most important factors for these positions are consistency, current form, scoring ability, strike rate, patience. Here is Inzy against selected players.

Rahul Dravid (Consistent throughout career, enjoying a good form, can go for big scores, can cover one end easily, cannot score at a good strike rate)

Brian Lara (Consistent throughout most of the career, excellent form, usually go for big scores, can cover one end, can score at a good strike rate)

Sachin Tendulkar (Consistent throughout most of the career, not in excellent form, can go for big scores, can cover one end, score at a good strike rate)

Inzamam-ul-Haq (Not much consistent throughout career, excellent form, can go for big scores, may cover one end, score at a good strike rate)

Though stats might suggest otherwise but I still think that Inzy at its best is better than any other batsman. Even in Tests his strike rate after he scores a century is at least over 70.

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Today during comentating Charles asked Mushy, what you think about selection, and he replied I think Inzi should have been in the rest of the world squad, then chalres asked him who do you think should be excluded and he replied I think instead of Sewag, then he goes, that is my opinion. I think Inzi deserved to be there. Well we all are sad due to this...................

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Well first of all we have to be realistic. Whoever was thinking that atleast 3-4 pakistani players will qualify for the squad was living in a fools paradise.
[size=2]Lets talk about test squad first.Rana Navved and Kaneria were never an option for test match. So we are left with Younis inzi and akhtar.I don't think that in presence of players like lara, dravid and kallis there was a slot for younis. Now what the f..k is tendi doing in the test squad. Inzi deserved that spot which tendi got because of his "star value".
Now we come to ODI squad. Razzak was probably ommitted due to the presence of all rounders like flintoff, pollock, kallis and afridi. Rana was impressive in VB series earlier this year and I think could have taken the spot which Ntini eventually took. I think selectors could have avoided Ntini selection since already too many South african are in the squad. Again I would say what the f..k is Tendi doing in the squad. Inzi deserved that spot. Even youhana was a better option than tendi considering tendi's form which will get worse with time, we know that. In the end congrats to our cheetah shoaib for making into both the squads. Way to go Shoaib and bad luck inzi. He deserved a spot in both sides.[/size]

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Well, opening is totally different than batting in middle order. Most middle-order batsmen have failed when they were tried as openers.

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an absolutely ridiculous team. Afridi in One-Day but no Inzy? What has Shoaib Akhtar done to warrant a spot? Why no Chaminda Vaas? Why is Dravid not in the One-Day team? These selectors are more interested in sensationalism than in beating Australia, I will vote with my dollars and not watch this nonsense.

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As much as I would have liked to see Inzi in the Test squad, I also understand why he was not selected. He was competing for the spot against players like Dravid, Sachin and Lara who all average 50 plus against Australia whereas Inzi's average is only 35 versus the World Champions.

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Do you know what Kallis’ average is against Australia? Look it up before you bemoan Inzy’s record against the Aussies. And Vaas is one of the few bowlers that can run through the Aussie lineup…any lineup without Vaas is a joke, he’s a top 5 bowler.

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Inzy is not the best option for middle order as he has to compete with players like Lara, Dravid, Tendulkar. They all have proven to be more consistent than Inzy.

Vaas may be amongst 5 or 10 best bowlers, but Akhter always tops the list.

Afridi is the best choice for ODIs. He can bat in low order, he can open the innings, he can bowl.

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Lara and Tendulkar more consistent than Inzy? Not recently.

And the only list that Akhtar tops is the one of whiny, over-hyped do-nothings.

I am not disputing Afridi’s selection.

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You also cant dispute lara’s selection whether you look at his all time stats, recent stats and stats playing with australia. He is one player who must always represent World X1 except when World X1 are playing against WI.
But yes there is no doubt Inzi deserved a spot and the selectors opted to choose the unfit and one of the most overrated player of recent time instead, because of his so called “charisma”. No disrespect to tendi but I hope that he remains unfit till the super series so selectors have to reconsider their decision or even if he play I hope he fails bigtime.