TODAY Pakistan air force may be one of the best airforce in the world but is no match to Indian Air Force in number
i would agree till above as for this
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hardware has not much to do with quality and experience of personnel.
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Its true that PAF has lost its edge over the IAF and in fact is trying hard to keep pace with IAF. The next several years are important for PAF as a lot of new systems will be inducted. However missiles and nuclear weapons have made a war unlikely despite all the drum beating from time to time.
The paki guys aren't replying to to our questions!:)
Guess you won.. To bad Indians crash before they even get of the run way, otherwise it would actually have made a difference. :)
Is that a reply to you question Indu friend?
This types of discussions generally has no ending, as hardly anybody in forum will accept that PAF is no match to IAF. They will give vague examples and data of their own government. The same goverment even didnot accept that their own soldiers are fighting in Kargil !!
Yes, Initially Pakistan had abetter aircrafts than India as they were supplied by USA. But they were no match to Indian pilots. The Gnat shot down several SaberJets in 1971 war.
TODAY Pakistan air force may be one of the best airforce in the world but is no match to Indian Air Force in number, qualityand experience.
Quality and experience India lacks a great deal.
You may have more aircraft, but your pilots can hardly get them of the runway:)
India in afew years going to have about 230 su-30MK,MK2 series of aircraft and going to finalize 126 either Euro2000 or mig-35 or both!!!!. It is also going to get six AWACS aircrafts !! Its just funny to compare PAF with IAF !! I do not know how some people waste their time--- To boost their dead morale or the defeat and humiliation still hunts them??
LOL.. Your saying Indians will have more planes.. Thats fine. So will the PAKISTANIS.
The Morale would be rather high considering the success pak Airforce has had in the past. If anythingits the Indians who need the morale considering how poorly they have performed against a much smaller adversary.
Humiliation is all yours.
And humiliation is a regular thiing among Indians consider their overall attrition rate. I mean you would be talking about Humiliation if your didnt have a sever inferiority complx to cover up.
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Pakistan has got only one thing.Starting syndrome.They will initiate a whole load of garbages,like wars or insurgency etc etc but nothing will fetch success for them in the end.
Where was the high morale when Indian air Force was pounding bombs on so called freedom mercinaries(read poor pakistani soldiers) . where was PAf?? Where was PAF when 93000 Poor humiliated pakistanies were surrendering to Indians? One Muslim is equel to 10 kafirs RIGHT? then they were actually 93lakhs Pakistanies Why they surrendered ?? in 1971? why pakistanis run away in kargil/ why your own ex prime minister says 4000 says pakistanis died in kargil and your Army denies?
High moral? please donot talk about it. Your own president says you are fighting for servival of your country.A truly great country.
nice one you quoting here only one war and talking a bit huge :D
did you register only to say this? think on the other side too... what about war of 1965, 1947 and the war of domination you started in 1998 by testing your nuclear and had to face the same test back.
we are fighting for survival from the RAW agents you people have injected into Talibans.
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^Did you fight a war in 1947? :p
1948,1965 all resulted in your defeats.
Remember Srinagar is still with India....
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^ India didn't win any wars either, despite being much larger. Azad Kashmir is still with Pakistan.
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We don't need to match India plane for plane. It is much more convenient to reduce their major cities like Mumbai, Delhi and Kolkata to rubble, in the event of war. That is enough of a deterrence.
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In any war against India if Pakistan can withstand the Indian assualt that in itself is a victory for Pakistan. Pakistan is still here and here to stay. The 1971 was an unwinnable war as a small force was surrounded by all sides and even the local population was against us, so lets leave 1971 out. Besides it is good that we can now focus all our energies on West Pakistan as it was called. In every other skirmish including the Kargill episode India got a bloody nose.
If India did have a superiority as it claims then they would have attacked us by now. India knows that the cost of any new war will set India back by decades, and its key cities will be reduced to rubbles. Since you say that India is doing economically well it will be the one that will suffer the most in any new war.
Our weakness is our economy and yes we need to do something about it, however Pakistan does have a huge potential if fully exploited, if we have an able leadership, an end to internal bickering, and a right environment for business. We also do need to further improve the military as well. We have suffered due to getting involved in other countries wars due to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and the U.S intervention but hopefully that will be behind us soon.
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Firstly no war between two nations will last for more than 2 weeks (max). So i dont think the quantity will be a factor. Its not like India will send all it 1000+ aircrafts to Pakistan 
Secondly, i admit India has better aircrafts but we have better missiles. Missiles like Babur will take out all the front Indian Air Bases; which will give us a big advantage.
Thirdly, as arshad said above, we only have to take care of Delhi, Mumbai, Kolkota etc. These three + four cities will be and can easily be taken out by our Missiles. Shaheen, Ghauri and other missiles are more than capable of doing it.
If our missiles can do this job than our Air Force will be fully available to deter Indian Air Force and trust me we can withstand Indian Air Froce easily.
Now as Marine above is saying Indian will xx number of Su-30, Mig-30, Euro200 etc etc. Dude do you really think we will sit down and will watch this happening? We too will be getting some good aircrafts, we will produce more JF-17, will also get (soon) either J-11 or Fc-20, not sure about this. AWACS, BVR, Air to Air Refuller…all this will be introduced in our air force soon ( if it hasnt been done yet). Now which Idiot here is caliming IAF will have air superiority over PAF?
Tell you what this is exactly what indian air force thought in 1965 & 1971 and got their arses whipped. In 1965 our Pilots went in your yard, bombed your air base and came back withouht any casualty, India suffered far more losses in 1965 & 1971 than PAF.
And last time i checked both in 1965 & 1971 India had more air crafts than us and they were probably better than us (not sure on this) so what happened in those 2 wars? How come IAF didnt have air superiority over PAF back then? Believe it or not, even now as soon as your jets will enter our air force, they will be shot down even before they will know it. You can come here claim whatever you want, if IAF was better than PAF than they surely wouldve carried out surgical stirkes after Mumbai drama but they didnt. Do you know why? Because they learnt from the mistakes they committed before and knew will strike back and will strike hard.
PS: Number of aircrafts or better air force dont win your war or air superiority, one need motivation, determination, jazba, spirit to carry out strikes and Indians pilots dont have that.
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i guess nationalism should be set aside when a discussion occurs on such issues. india's superiority is unquestionable...lets face it! the only thing Pak has done good in 60+ years is going nuclear. its a good deterrent. india doesn't have to fight a war as such...they have been fighting and winning for a long time. they succeded in breaking up the country in 70's, call it mukti bahini and all that happened due to the west pak's indifference towards the east pak and shear power greed on the part of Bhutto family...they must have been tried for treason. aaj pakistani leadership is ready to SELL Pakistan if the price is right. u may disagree with me but hey, we'll see india exploit the divisions amongst Pakistanis in the WEST Pakistan. they will love to see Pakistan split along ethnic lines. lets pray to Allah that this doesn't happen...aameen
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I agree nationalism should be set aside and these matters should be discussed impartially and rationally. India does have a superiority and in the future unless we get our economy back on track that superiority could increase. However Pakistan is not a pushover and if you look at the situation in a slightly deeper level that superiority soon evaporates. India will be seriously crippled in the event of an all out war. It will not be able to win and the huge cost would not justify any benefit.
Where was the high morale when Indian air Force was pounding bombs on so called freedom mercinaries(read poor pakistani soldiers) . where was PAf?? Where was PAF when 93000 Poor humiliated pakistanies were surrendering to Indians? One Muslim is equel to 10 kafirs RIGHT? then they were actually 93lakhs Pakistanies Why they surrendered ?? in 1971? why pakistanis run away in kargil/ why your own ex prime minister says 4000 says pakistanis died in kargil and your Army denies?
High moral? please donot talk about it. Your own president says you are fighting for servival of your country.A truly great country.
Continue to clutch at strwas my freind. You Indians have only Bangladesh to point to whenever you feel cornered. The fact is that the victory in Bangladesh had absolutely nothing to do with Indias fighting capability and all to do with the circumstances.
So continue to pathetically play the Balngladesh carrd. Thats is all you have. Indias performace in any fair battel has allways left you humiliated.
The fact is that the PAKISTAN airforce HAS performed exceptionally well despite being far smaller numerically.
The morale of Indians couldnt possibly be very high considering their abysmal performace despite being numercially larger force.
So much so that people like you have to come to forums like this to vents your insecurity.
And please dont talk of morale. You Indians have had more insurgencies then any in the region. If it werent for your rapist army, India would have broken up long ago.
You should remeber the one accurate piece of BS that your govt spews. The fear that if a place like Kashmir with its majority Muslim population were to be given up, the rest of India would falL apart... HMMM, doesnt sound like a country with much confidence or morale. When you entire existance is based on the occupation of KAshmir, then you certainly have a lot to insecure about.
So save your incoherant rants for someone else.
^Did you fight a war in 1947? :p
1948,1965 all resulted in your defeats.
Remember Srinagar is still with India....
Defeat? How so? As far as facts are concerned, India could hardly manage to defend its own borders whole simultaneoulsy pursueing the offensive.
The best you could do was to be forced into stalemate:) Pretty pathetic for an army the size of Indias... :p
Pakistan has got only one thing.Starting syndrome.They will initiate a whole load of garbages,like wars or insurgency etc etc but nothing will fetch success for them in the end.
Anther India lie.. Your insurgencies start because YOU Indians start them. India is an incompetant nation, and as such, insurgencies begin without the backing of anyone else.
Everyone from the Kashmiris and Sikhs to the Maoists, were the result of Indian stupidity.
The sooner you recognize the inherant stupidity, the better of you will be.
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Lol… You should take your own lesson on “sense”
Now MARINA… What about the Pakistan “stupidity” regarding the Taliban?
Perhaps a reading of the actual facts behind the Taliban wold do you well.
But unfortunately, you Indians perfer dumbed-down versions of history which I cant provide.
I mean quite ironic considering India has more long running insurgencies then almost any other country in the world..
Lets see Hindustan get over its rampant stupidity before you start barking at others:)
Learn to control your own territory and fix your own problems, isntead of stupidly incting your people all while blaming others for your own messes.
You seem to know a lot about PAF than IAF 
Get your facts right and stop spreading rumours…prove what you have said above or stick 2 fingers up ur a***
Reality is you cant harm us, and i have said this before better equipment, better aircrafts, bigger army dont win you war. One needs guts to attack someone and India doesnt have that.
Your country is 3-4 times bigger than, your economy is far better than us, IAF have better aircrafts than us, your army is 3 times bigger than us, our population is no way near yours. But you know India doesnt have one thing and that is ‘Guts’. We are a much smaller country with limited resources but yet we can stand up to you and face you. This itself is a great achievment.