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Originally posted by Quasimodo:
** SWEETIE, SHOULD I OPEN A NEW THREAD JUST 4 U?
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No need to, just stick to the topic on this thread.
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Originally posted by Faraz Mir:
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So, tell me why a Muslim should support the Palestinains over the Israelis? Just because the pals call themselves Muslim, or should I judge them by their actions or the injustice of their situation as well?**
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Yes, you should be supporting them because they are muslims and our holy prophet (pbuh) has instructed us to help our brothers in need. All muslims are brothers/sisters of each other.
And as far as judging their action, you should leave it to Allah (swt), least you dis-approve of something which Allah (swt) approves.
A Wizard arrives neither early nor late, but precisely when he chooses to
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Originally posted by ahmadjee:
**I am still awaiting the answer to what we are actually fighting for:
1) No Jews in the world?
2) No Jews in Middle East?
3) Jews are ok but no Jewish State?
4) No Jews in the occupied terretories according to the Oslo agreement of creation of a Palestinian state?
5) As long as Jews don't do any more settelments we are ok?
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Assalam-o-alikum..
Here is my answer to the ur questions
1: Every human being have a right to live in the world, so as JEWS unless and untill they live on the earth with peace and mutual understanding and restrain from fighting and killing.
2:JEWS were given a shelter by the uthman kalifh back 50-60 years ago. no problem they are the guests. and they should live like guests as Afghans are guests in Pakistan and they are living to quite extend like guests. But demanding a seperate country, and existance on the arabs soil is UNACCEPTABLE.
NO JEWS IN ARAB SOIL in form of ISRAEL. clear ?
This also answers question # 3
the answer goes to the 4th and 5th question..
Because its the LAnd of Arabs, so no point in Creating of Any JEwish state, and settlements.
and if the muslim world agrees upon some agreement with them, then indeed this shows the weakness of Muslim world to get their right..
Ahmad i have a question for u..
Do you why Jews are making settlements in Palestine ??? why they need settlements?
Dont think "you can" know "you can"
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I agree with Ace, and Mike I am not saying its talking about if it is Haram or not, I am not going into that. But no one is the world knows how these people live day by day and its also the same with Kashmir, but at the end of the day I would to become a human bomb, because then I can choose where I want to distroy.
Dear Brothers…
Assalam-o-alikum.
It is requested that please do not pick on anyone’s personal belief.
Mr Faraz plz do not call other ppl, extremist or fenatic, because it is ALLAH who judge ppl right or wrong, on the basis of taqwah. It will be indeed good of you thanks, and will be better for all of us.
I would like to make another point here.
So far every one have been condemning suicide, and stating that Suicidide is Haram. I agree to that.
But do you think that the action of the Palestenians bombers is Suicide ?
to discuss this thing, lets first define what suicide is.
An action of a human being to kill himself , without no ambition, to get rid of pain, just to end his life, nothing else, backing the blessing of ALLAH.
few of the excerpts i found about suicide..please take a look..
IslamiCity - The Global Muslim eCommunity =X&-maxRecords=1&-skipRecords=3&-search
now my point is. Do you think that What Palestenians are doing is Suicide ? dont hey have a specific target in their mind ? an ambition ? Please judge ur decesion logically keeping all facts in mind
I agree there could be 1000 others way to complete their ambition, but do u think any other way is possible in palestine right now.
We Muslims dont provide them arms of mass destruction, or either the simple arms.
we want to keep them pecefull as we kept our bosnians brother peacefull, and which resulted in genocide of muslims.
we are strongly relying on the help of AMERICA , and beleiving that AMERICA will help resolve this problem..
I wonder where we are going…
Plz think.. rather arguing for nothing..
and let us seek guidence and forgiveness from ALLAH, because he is haq, and we need his blessings..
May Allah forgive us all for our wrong beliefs and saying, and give us guidence and victory of KAfareeen.
Dont think “you can” know “you can”
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Originally posted by Bluebell:
I agree with Ace, and Mike I am not saying its talking about if it is Haram or not, I am not going into that. But no one is the world knows how these people live day by day and its also the same with Kashmir, but at the end of the day I would to become a human bomb, because then I can choose where I want to distroy.
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I understand that people who are victimized react out of anger and blind rage.
The leaders of Palestine have to be big enough to not react out of emotion. They have to keep their head and work for the betterment of their people. That's what leaders do. Fueling that rage is counter productive.
I just believe that the Suicide bomber mentality is the enemy of the Palestinian
people. Every bomber that kills a few Israeli's smears the reputation of all Palestinians in the eyes of the world.
The Blowback from suicide bombings (currently underway) is a very high price. Do the math and reconsider the effectiveness of suicide bombing.
Morally,spirtiually,mathmatically, strategically, it is a bad idea.
Faraz, what would you do if you were in position that Palestinians are in right now and have been for past 50 years? Don't tell me you would sit like a Wussie and do nothing while the invading army rapes your women, kills your love ones, destroys your homes and takes over your land.
Besides, who are you to decide if someone IS Muslims and not a Muslim? What happened to "allah's will" that you are talking about here? oh the hypocrisy! Allah understands situation of palestinians better than all of us and he may forgive those who are fighting back somehow or he may not forgive them at all.
Our job is not to judge whether those palestinians who are fighting an invasion of their land are Muslims or not Muslims. As Muslims, our job is to help them with weapons and make their fight a little less painful. This attitude of yours about them being the "bad" muslims and what have you, its got to stop. If your so "GOOD" Muslim why don't you go and keep the Israeli Terrorists from building a temple at al-aqsa mosque. We want to see how would you handle the situation, think quick because some sniper will take you out in a heartbeat!
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Originally posted by Faraz Mir:
** No need to, just stick to the topic on this thread.**
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Dear FM, If U Will Kindly Answer my Question, I'll show U it is relevent to the Topic. So, PLEASE SWEETIE, DON'T MAKE ME ASK AGAIN.
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Originally posted by MMike:
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I understand that people who are victimized react out of anger and blind rage.
The leaders of Palestine have to be big enough to not react out of emotion. They have to keep their head and work for the betterment of their people. That's what leaders do. Fueling that rage is counter productive.
I just believe that the Suicide bomber mentality is the enemy of the Palestinian
people. Every bomber that kills a few Israeli's smears the reputation of all Palestinians in the eyes of the world.
The Blowback from suicide bombings (currently underway) is a very high price. Do the math and reconsider the effectiveness of suicide bombing.
Morally,spirtiually,mathmatically, strategically, it is a bad idea.
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*They have to keep their head and work for the betterment of their people. *
Would U be kind enough to shed more light on this one.
Every bomber that kills a few Israeli's smears the reputation of all Palestinians in the eyes of the world.
Would U MIND Naming these Countries, PLEASE.
Fueling that rage is counter productive.
Would U please elaborate on Productive ways.
What THEY SHOULD DO?
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Quasimodo .... What have you done for the palestenian cause so far?
Faraz Mir is right, suicide is not the way to fight. And it is not the Israeli civilians who come and abuse the palestenian people ... its their soldiers, their government people.
The fight is more about worldy affairs, not religion in the palestenian cause. Us muslims have a habit of leveraging religion into all of our endevours whether its true at heart or not.
Arabs breed hatred for Jews even without reason, and thats the truth. Us muslims are less tolerant to non muslims than they are of us today.
Like someone said in this forum earlier ... LIVE TODAY FIGHT TOMORROW. The palestenian cause is to drive out Israeli's, in no way it started out for Allahs cause. And they are responsible for bringing this misery on them ... yes it is the duty of other muslims to help them and try to correct any mistake on their side. Why dont we muslim countries do something. We dont have the guts to do the right thing.
And for people saying no wants to die, whats the point living if you cant live for the purpose you were created for.
Its our Wits that make us MEN .... 'Braveheart'
Are we muslims going to sit and discuss their right or wrong, and leave them running towards insanity ... we dont have a right to label them as anything if we are not even willing to help them.
Its our Wits that make us MEN .... 'Braveheart'
One major point we all are forgetting, Who are we to say,it was "suicidal" bombing, we are NO ONE to call that action with such degrading tital. Its Allah to decide whether it was suicide or what,and please people don't forget "Allah judges us not by our deeds but our INTENTIONS behind those deeds"
peace
**Parde ilm hazaar kitaaba...kaddee apnai aap nu parya naee.." **BULLEY SHAH
Islam sanctions the right to self defence against enemies of the muslims, their land, and their culture. And to sacrifice urself to kill ur enemy and the enemy of islam is right in islam.
OK, lets forget this question for now and let me ask another question, and lets forget whether its haram or not, lets not get religion into this. Would any one of you become a "suicide bomber" if you were in the situation of the Palestinians? And lets not forget its not only Palestinians who are doing this things its soo many others. Last year a Chechen lady filled her SUV with explosives and drove it through a Russian solider camp and killed everywhere in it, because they had just killed her husband and other family members. And there are many more other examples. So I ask would any of you become a "Martyr"? I wont call it suicide because many people who commit suicide don't value their life but these people value their life.
Typical attitude of Mullahs who are blinded by nothing but rage for the kaafir. It is you the mad Mullahs of Islam that are dividing Muslims everyday, not me. It is the fanatics that are killing Muslims who are of a different sect. Persecuting non-Muslims in almost every Muslim majority country. Using suicide-bombings, perhaps an effective political tool, and portraying it as an Islamic ideal.
And same overused arguments are being sued to defend suicide bombings. It is the duty of every Musl9im with a head on his body to condemn the ignorant among us and help they see the truth path. I am doing my path by telling it like it is about the suicide-bombers, no matter how emotional or hurtful it is to some people. While the fundos are either encouraging Muslims to look at this issue from an emotional point, or themselves are getting dragged into an emotional roller coaster over this issue.
Remove all the emotional blabbering and just listen to what Allah has said. And you are right I do not know what Allah’s will is, but one thing I do know is that Allah has called Muslims NOT to commit suicide for ANY purpose whatsoever. Now you can spin this anyway you like, and accuse me of not knowing Allah’s will, and in that case I could say murder is also allowed in Islam, since no one really knows Allah’s will.
So cut down on the emotionalism, and instead of leading Muslims collectively to hell by encouraging and supporting suicide, read Allah’s words for once. Muslim extremists are very good in determining who is kaafir or not based on their interpretations, but now these people are asking me to look for Allah’s will, when I tell a clearly defined order from Allah himself!
This is how the fanatics have twisted Islam now that ignorant non-Muslims everywhere are saying that the Qur’an encourages suicide. Nothing could be farther from the truth! The only people who encourage suicide are the fanatic Mullahs who are busy destroying Islam and making money from Jihad on the side at the same time. Shame on them on misrepresenting Islam to such a hideous degree!
I’m sure the Mullahs on Gupshup will elevate Paul Sperry as their new Imam.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27149
The Koran: Suicide playbook
Posted: April 9, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com
WASHINGTON – What makes Palestinian suicide bombers tick? Not the Koran, media pundits are quick to say.
They maintain they are martyrs for a political, not religious, cause and are only resorting to such violent extremes to defend against an oppressive Israeli military. The media romanticize the heinous bombings as the desperate struggle of the downtrodden.
Given the alarming toll of innocent Israelis (not to mention Americans) recently slaughtered by Islamic suicide attacks, this is a particularly noxious batch of politically correct swill to swallow.
And those in the media who know better should be ashamed of themselves for peddling it. They are nothing but professional liars. Others too lazy to read the Koran to independently verify the spin of “moderate” Muslim scholars are guilty of intellectual malpractice.
I find it very interesting that those who agree with these suicide bombings do not take up the action themselves. Otherwise they wouldn't be posting messages here but in Palestine fighting the Israeli army.
So, I guess they only have the courage to praise the act, not actually do it themselves. I wonder what it shows about their personality.
Is there someone who is willing to walk his talk?
Faraz Mir what's up with you man, chill, take it easy. Who are you to tell someone what to do. If you don't agree on Suicide bombings then that's your opinion and we respect your opinion, but don't take it out on us. And you wonder why people tick, just look at yourself here.
And dont judge all the Mullahs the same, there are some really great Mullahs out there.
Ahamdjee just give me the number to Hamas. I do not fear death. Muslims fight to die, non Muslims fight to win. So if I was there, there wouldn't be any hesitation, I guess you can say I have thought about this.
Do you fear death??
we dont have a right to label them as anything if we are not even willing to help them.
To answer this I am going to QUOTE AND GUESS WHO WROTE IT DEAR
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/biggrin.gif
“Arabs breed hatred for Jews even without reason, and thats the truth.”
In Response To what I have Done
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif
, I can’t tell U on this PUBLIC Forum.
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