… the zero tolerance policy!
War is no excuse for censorship or stifling of dissenting views.
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I must say I am surprised by it.
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it is really shameful
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When Pakistani soldiers are sacrificing their lives so we all can live in peace,
when there is a clear and present danger to the security of the country,
we cannot allow hypocrites to spread rumors and misinformation in the name of "freedom of speech".
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Who decides if something is "rumors or disinformation" or legitimate dissent?
is criticism of state institutions always unpatriotic?
Is opposition to war always unpatriotic?
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The problem is, some of the members are taking it wrong way. The zero tolerance policy doesn't mean censorship here. every Pakistani has a right of having an opinion, BUT it does not mean that by expressing ourselves we start GLORIFYING Taliban acts and start treating state organs (Pakistan Army and Government in this case) as OPPONENT forces and start praying for THEIR destruction.
Even in UK and USA, where large number of people disagreed with Bush & Blair's actions in i-Raq and Afghanistan, but NONE of those anti-war campaigners started supporting ALQAEEDA or Iraqi insurgency, nor they prayed for deaths of their OWN troops. There is a difference between voicing concerns & aligning yourself with forces which are openly against our way of living and STATE, unfortunately some members crossed that line here, hence we have this policy.
well said :k:
......GLORIFYING Taliban acts and start treating state organs (Pakistan Army and Government in this case) as OPPONENT forces and start praying for THEIR destruction.....
So what?
Can't such speech be countered by opposing speech?
Stifling speech is an admission of weakness, that you do not have counter arguments.
We should be different from the very Taliban we are fighting - not becming their mirror image.
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There is no censorship. Anyone is free to disagree with govt policy and people are already doing that in PA forum. However what we will not allow is some people here cheering for Taliban against our armed forces, period.
So what?
Can't such speech be countered by opposing speech? Stifling speech is an admission of weakness, that you do not have counter arguments.
We should be different from the very Taliban we are fighting - not becming their mirror image.
Counter argument comes when there is some logical thinking behinde the argument! Tell me ne thing, labeling Pakistani Army as murderers and infidels is OK for you? Aren't they doing what we expect them to do? To fight with any EXTERNAL & INTERNAL threat as per a democratic Government's instructions that is. You are more than welcome to discuss your conerns about the operation and Government's way of handeling the situation, BUT NO ONE is allowed to insult those soldiers/Pakistanis who are loosing their lives for doing what they sworn to do.
Very well put :k:
So what?
Can't such speech be countered by opposing speech? Stifling speech is an admission of weakness, that you do not have counter arguments.
We should be different from the very Taliban we are fighting - not becming their mirror image.
Time and time again all terror groups have taught us , that no matter how much we argue with them to put some sense into them, they will NOT listen to us and will NOT remain peaceful and WILL do everything in their capacity to harm humanity and the religion.
Therefore , there exists no such thing as free speach when it comes to dealing with terrorists. I think GS has taken a very right stance and inshallah we all will always stand by these efforts by the nation and the Armd forces of Pakistan.
they will NOT listen to us and will NOT remain peaceful and WILL do everything in their capacity to harm humanity and the religion.
Speech does not harm. Coercion does.
Stifling speech is coercion . This is self-defeating since coercion is the very thing we are fighting against when we fight the Taliban.
Tell me ne thing, labeling Pakistani Army as murderers and infidels is OK for you?
It is not OK.
But it also not OK to suppress speech that offends us.
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G.S disgusts me increasingly.
I also find it ironic that you are telling me that we must be Gagged to be seen as true supporters of the "great-good-fight" against the Maha-Censors. I am not compelled to agree with the actions of my currupt and mentally instable government. I am however compelled to verbalise any misgivings that I have on such a potentially horrific and poignant venture such as this.
The internet maybe our last true Bastian of free-speech and debate. To squash that must have taken your consciences quite some placating. And if not, then that is a worrying sentiment even without the horrific context in which we are discussing it.
Speech does not harm. Coercion does.
Stifling speech is coercion . This is self-defeating since coercion is the very thing we are fighting against when we fight the Taliban.
Well , Speech is the first step to incitation... Here in the UK we muslims totally support the government for arresting individuals that incite any kind of hatred in the name of free speech ...
Individuals that support killing/slaughter/murder of the innocent in any way , should be given no rights what so ever for free speech.. Why should we the innocent be let to bear their pathetic talk?
Therefore please know the difference. you can criticize freely, those who are yet humans ... those who have crossed all limits of humanity are no longer humans and should be treated as they treat us.
It is not OK. But it also not OK to suppress speech that offends us.
You are missing the point here, take THIS thread for example. Aren't you voicing your concerns about a certain GS policy and YET despite having a different point of view your THREAD and POSTS are still here. The policy kicks-in when you come and say something along the lines that the soldiers and Pakistanis who are dying in fighting with this cancer of society infact lost their lives for NOTHING and they were fighting "ISLAM". Hope this clears the matter.
The problem is, some of the members are taking it wrong way. The zero tolerance policy doesn't mean censorship here. every Pakistani has a right of having an opinion, BUT it does not mean that by expressing ourselves we start GLORIFYING Taliban acts and start treating state organs (Pakistan Army and Government in this case) as OPPONENT forces and start praying for THEIR destruction. Even in UK and USA, where large number of people disagreed with Bush & Blair's actions in i-Raq and Afghanistan, but NONE of those anti-war campaigners started supporting ALQAEEDA or Iraqi insurgency, nor they prayed for deaths of their OWN troops. There is a difference between voicing concerns & aligning yourself with forces which are openly against our way of living and STATE, unfortunately some members crossed that line here, hence we have this policy.
Very nicely explained.
Well , Speech is the first step to incitation... Here in the UK we muslims totally support the government for arresting individuals that incite any kind of hatred in the name of free speech ...
Individuals that support killing/slaughter/murder of the innocent in any way , should be given no rights what so ever for free speech.. Why should we the innocent be let to bear their pathetic talk?
Therefore please know the difference. you can criticize freely, those who are yet humans ... those who have crossed all limits of humanity are no longer humans and should be treated as they treat us.
Please refrain from using the names of your fellow nationals in vain. I do not like to think that you are speaking for me - Or for countless others who have opinions that don't quite fit into your checkered opinion board.
furthermore, there have been plenty of questions raised about the human rights of the individuals detained on hearsay (or bad taste) from both the indigenous jedi community and from your Muslim compatriots.
Today internet censorship, tomorrow 1984?
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^ One of the difference is that you are able to express your opinion here on the other hand if you were in a Taliban run area you would have been physically eliminated by them for dissent. That is what the Paksitani army and Paksitani people are fighting against.