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The Biggest reason , I dont want my kids to be associated with Pakistan - The nation , who treats their Hero like this … I feel ashamed / disgusted …
watch yourself …
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mere aaNsoo nikal aaye 
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Maybe a few years ago I wouldn't be as hesitant to raise my kids in Pakistan, but now, I think we are better off here.
The main reason to move there would be to instill cultural and religious values in our kids...but honestly, looking at what's happening back home these days makes me feel we are more in sync with our core religious values and practices here.
Example from personal experiences:
- At wedding celebrations in Pakistan, people don't even take a break from rooftop musical programs when it's azaan time. What example are we setting for our children?
- Wearing sleeveless outfits, capris. etc...is a normal thing there. In an Islamic country, have people become so open minded? If my kid sees an American wearing a bikini, at least I can tell her "beta, yeh humara culture nahi hai." But what do I tell her back in Pakistan? Honestly, when we travel back, we feel like we are coming from villages and in a social gathering, are considered the odd ones out in our somewhat conservative choice of clothing.
- Dating, TV/Film obession, Dance schools, corruption so much so that parents teach their children how to take shortcuts in everything.. "how to be chalaak"... all things that were probably done in moderation a few years ago, are now part of the normal upper middle class social setup..
So then why must I take my child back home when I can have them go the masjid in peace here, practice their surahs and learn Qur'an with pride, celebrate Eid with the community, feel even more compelled to practice and teach my religion and culture instead of assuming that oh well, at least Pakistan is a muslim country so how can our kids go astray?
Come on, times have changed.
And please don't take me wrong, it's because I have a choice, I choose to stay here. I understand that many Pakistanis live very well attached to their deen in Pakistan. Somehow, I no longer feel it would be a positive change for us to move there.
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quick question .. is it nation who treated him this way or was it the rulers of that time? i believe, even from this interview, its obvious that people love him .. but our rulers dun
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^exactly but yet again the *whole **nation *is being rollofied :)
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naabigh just like two other posters said ... dont bring the entire nation here!! we love and respect him!!
its those bloody dictators and other rulers who treated him unfairly!! ...
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"Koi kalaa kisi kaali ke saath baghair shadi kiye mere paros main reh raha hai tou how is it affecting my children? I dont know, you tell me." Seriously?
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"No, the nation isn't perfect but hey they're struggling to survive in extremely difficult conditions, give them a break! I know I won't be able to spend a day in the conditions that the majority of the poverty-stricken nation lives in so I'm not going to sit here and question them as to why they aren't thinking inqilaab when they have a million other things to be worried out such as where to get roti for the family today.."
Words of wisdom - very nice.
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No Nation is perfect fight for your nation don’t run away be brave and bring change or other wise you don’t have any right to cry 
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but why do you have to wink after saying that mukobhai?
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I think the biggest reason why people don't want their kids growing up in Pakistan is that there is no upward mobility.
Meaning, if someone goes to school, gets good grades, that is no guarantee to land a good job and secure a good future for their families due to all the corruption that exists.
In the West, there is less corruption, so if you work hard, you can get ahead in life.
This is the tragedy of Pakistan. People here have so much potential yet it all gets wasted.
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^ good point. I would like to create better opportunities for my children, lesser struggles and more security and not leave them in a big question mark situation if I can help it. Rest is up to Allah.
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Interesting. I don't even live in Pakistan and I know of a lot of people who drink, from people in the army to med school students. And smoking? I know of girls who smoke and do weed, let alone the guys. My cousin's uncle was run over and the person who did it didn't even stop to see what he had done, he died before reaching the hospital.
All of these happen outside Pakistan too. So not so strong arguments.
Why find excuses and find problems in Pakistan, to make 'ourselves' look good?
**Why not just admit and be honest, majority of expats left the country for better future and opportunities.
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i wouldnt raise my kids in pakistani because 1- ITS SO UNSAFE! bomb-blasts, shootings, rapes, child molestation is just so common there! and you cant do anything about it
2- the environment so unhealthy, pollution, garmi, loadshedding
3- people are always under stress and depressions, be it in schools(always competeing to get a higher position then the other, or lack of jobs, or all the family fights and all, society pressure, government issues, religious pressure
4- people over there are hypocrites
5- people cannot develop a normal personality, somehow they are all alike ! i dont know how to explain this poiint but yea its irritating
6- religion over there is mostly followed for just basics like reading namaz 5 times and pardah and all. i have not come across many people who follow religion for other in details such as hwo to respect a women and what not. not allbut most of them are not really spiritually religious.
7-lack of multiculturalism or respect for other cultures/religious. rarely have i come across a christian in pakistan who doesnt work as a janitor.
8- not much out there for kids to grow up without being depressed. not many educational things.
one main reason i definetely wouldnt my kids to grow up there because my daughters would never be independent and constantly be bothered and followed by chichoray boys on their way to school and stuff! and my son would probably come another loser men in pakistan who treats women like crap and does all the crazy stuff outside and when he comes home he wants his sisters n mom in pardah. ughhhh!
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I agree with you Mirch Bhai that yes security is a problem but a zillion people went out of Pakistan way before the security threat came in. Before the year 2000, places were secure and we have lived in different cities of Pakistan & not faced any of those security issues. For now, YES security is a big concern but for those people who went abroad well before all this for their very own material needs now comment on the country’s conditions easily. They left the country when it was in a bit of a bloom as well so they weren’t that loyal in the first place. This in my view is hypocrisy. If they give a set of reasons for leaving the country then, it was out of their choice, it was out of their needs, it was out of their own aspirations.
If people don’t do things on the grass root level themselves, they don’t reserve the right to pint point the deficiencies either & for those who do so are more than welcome to comment for they feel the need to bring a change.
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Or even Indians - I remember Almost 90% of my classmates moving back after finishing their degree
If Indians can do it with those exact same conditions,what is wrong with our Pakistanis?
The love for the 'West' style probably suffices it for most.
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Give me this and I'll have kids grow up in Pakistan.
Provide me that and I'll move to Pakistan.
Ensure this and I'll be happy in Pakistan.
Who is the addressee here? Waiting for divine intervention?
Accept responsibility. Our elders raped the country and then some left it, others continue to do so. Whatever the corrupt politicians, bureaucrats, business people, military men did to our country, their excuse was the same. They wanted "better future" and "security" for their children and family. If you guys have the same preference, nothing wrong about it, just accept it rather than making a million excuses.
Please do not pretend that we and our parents have no responsiblity for conditions there in Pakistan. At least accept that we would rather reap fruits of the hard work and dedication of ancestors of our host society rather than pay for misdeeds of our own.
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It's just that we have a choice...and some folks down there don't...let's hand out some visas and I can give you In writing that most of those folks will come here in the blink of an eye. So who's really the hypocrite here? Am I evil for wanting a better future for my child? Really?
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Maybe a few years ago I wouldn't be as hesitant to raise my kids in Pakistan, but now, I think we are better off here.
The main reason to move there would be to instill cultural and religious values in our kids...but honestly, looking at what's happening back home these days makes me feel we are more in sync with our core religious values and practices here.
Example from personal experiences:
- At wedding celebrations in Pakistan, people don't even take a break from rooftop musical programs when it's azaan time. What example are we setting for our children?
- Wearing sleeveless outfits, capris. etc...is a normal thing there. In an Islamic country, have people become so open minded? If my kid sees an American wearing a bikini, at least I can tell her "beta, yeh humara culture nahi hai." But what do I tell her back in Pakistan? Honestly, when we travel back, we feel like we are coming from villages and in a social gathering, are considered the odd ones out in our somewhat conservative choice of clothing.
- Dating, TV/Film obession, Dance schools, corruption so much so that parents teach their children how to take shortcuts in everything.. "how to be chalaak"... all things that were probably done in moderation a few years ago, are now part of the normal upper middle class social setup..
So then why must I take my child back home when I can have them go the masjid in peace here, practice their surahs and learn Qur'an with pride, celebrate Eid with the community, feel even more compelled to practice and teach my religion and culture instead of assuming that oh well, at least Pakistan is a muslim country so how can our kids go astray?
Come on, times have changed.
And please don't take me wrong, it's because I have a choice, I choose to stay here. I understand that many Pakistanis live very well attached to their deen in Pakistan. Somehow, I no longer feel it would be a positive change for us to move there.
Niksik baji,
1- This is plain stereo typing. I have spent enough years here in Pakistan to say that this is a very very small percentage to generalize.
2- It is still not a normal thing. Yes there is the elite class going crazy over modernism but there is the ~80% of other Pakistanis who dislike this type of clothing and style. Here in Pakistan, you can tell your kids that they weren't brought up with the same Islamic basic principles. Bad parenting should not be equalized with Bad country/culture!
3 - again the very same points - Stereo-typing & parent's upbringing.
I studied in the top ranked school of Lahore with the ultimate elite class there. Yes there were those who went on dates, were west-lovers, wore vulgar clothes etc. But there was a vast majority of us who stuck to our style & principles. This was not because of the country or the people or the school, it was because of good parenting,simple!
If you are a good parent and you want to instill the Islamic concepts in your children you will be able to whether you are in Pakistan, Ethiopia, London, Paris, New York, iceland or lala land. If there is a ~20% elite class with these dressings there is an ~80% who dresses in moderation.
I don't disagree with most of the posters views of not living in Pakistan as for security etc but tagging Pakistanis as a whole as un-islamic, without values, dirty dressers etc is equally wrong as well.
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Maybe Daffy... Maybe you're right, but don't you think people take our values for granted there now? Here we make very conscious efforts to keep our kids attached to a masjid community, to practice what they are taught in Islamic classes, etc etc...over there, families take for granted that because it's a Muslim country, no special efforts are needed...bacha seekh hi leyga...and in the process, you see more and more values getting lost along the way. Again, it must be a perception...but let me put it this way, our fears are greater than our belief... May Allah help us make good decisions for our kids.