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In USA, when we pick a neighborhood to live, we pay premium price so we dont live in a neighborhood of illiterate people. Koi kalaa kisi kaali ke saath baghair shadi kiye mere paros main reh raha hai tou how is it affecting my children? I dont know, you tell me.
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society can live with vulgarities and evils, but cant without justice.
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Running to another country is not a bad thing Zareen. When Nawaz Shareef started his "Qarz Utaaror" therek, the same bhagoray pakistanis sent back more than $50 mill dollars. These Pakistanis who are sitting outside Pakistan can and do contribute a lot in the betterment of our country.
Who am i to call it bad or not. It's a decision people make based on their preferences and comfort and they have a right to it. However, it's just unfortunate that the people who can actually make a difference in this country with their education, talent and even basic sense of justice and equality are the ones who are leaving it in the hands of unwise people. You know what i mean?
And what hurts even more is when you meet these same people abroad and they are dying to get back to their country but can't due to finances. I don't think most people abroad have lost love for Pakistan and infact they have contributed so much through charities too but i only wish they realise that we don't need the money as much as we need them, the good citizens to make a difference in this country.
I know living in this country comes with a huge cost on many levels but i still feel living here is worth every difficulty we face everyday :).
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Zareen ... Once upon a time ... way back in 80s I was as Patriotic as you are ... But Now the reality has just sneaked in after living here for two years ....
This country , city , culture aint anymore what I missed - while living abroad :(
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However, it's just unfortunate that the people who can actually make a difference in this country with their education, talent and even basic sense of justice and equality are the ones who are leaving it in the hands of unwise people. You know what i mean?
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It is very unfortunate. I wish we could be more like Japanese and Koreans. I've seen that amongst the educated one, they almost always return back to their countries after completing their education in USA.
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It is very unfortunate. I wish we could be more like Japanese and Koreans. I've seen that amongst the educated one, they almost always return back to their countries after completing their education in USA.
Or even Indians - I remember Almost 90% of my classmates moving back after finishing their degree
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Or even Indians - I remember Almost 90% of my classmates moving back after finishing their degree
Indians are 50-50. I see half of them staying and half going back. But in general, you are right
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You answered your comment yourself. Dont tell me that these things do not happen in west? In fact there is more chance of that happening in west than in pakistan. Yes things can get really nasty here in mummy daddy schools but when these schools stay much better than public schools I have seen in UK.
I wasn't asking any question, I was replying to Enigmatic's UK schools' negative points' comment. And no, I'm not talking about mummy daddy schools, I'm talking about average colleges in Pakistan with supposedly mature students.
now please don't quote me out of context i don't like going round and round in circles.
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Or even Indians - I remember Almost 90% of my classmates moving back after finishing their degree
because most of them have to.
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because most of them have to.
Nope - we must admit that they have much better career opportunities and growing chances in India then what we have in Pakistan .....
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Hehe...I DO want my kids to grow up in Pakistan. :) I have moved back to Pakistan with my kids after living about for a decade in Europe n UK. My reasons for moving back might not go down well with some/many of you, but we did what we thought was in our best interest. I'm in Pak for past 3 years. When we moved here in 2008, newspapers daily reported bombings here and there. I practically witnessed Islamabad tuning into a war zone...barricades n sand bags appearing on each arterial road ....the last blast here was so close to our place that it really shattered our window panes. Electricity crisis, gas crisis n now fuel crisis (petrol etc.) you name it. BUT I still think the decision was worth it. While we didn't have these problems in west, there were a lot many other problems we faced every now n then...racism/discrimination being one of the top most! There was a constant struggle to avoid haram. I'm aware that things are somewhat easier for muslims living in UK or North America but not as easy in, say Berlin or Amsterdam. I'm aware that Hareem is home schooling her children, which is so very brave of her but this isn't an option the government allows in Berlin. Thanks to a really big number of muslims in UK/US, you guys have a basic infrastructure for those who want islamic education but that isn't the case where we lived. I never wanted to move back while my husband is still working there but you might think of the magnitude of problems we faced that we had to decide to live seperately for our children. He is still working there but runs back home as soon as he gets some time. He makes it a point to be here on all important events from the school's annual day to both eids. It's hard to live in Pakistan without a male but Alhamdulillah, Allah helped me so much that I have been able to do this without any major problem. For the longest i couldn't send my children to the near by mosque for praying in congregation. I was afraid of blasts, kidnappings and all that. But recently Allah mian helped me be brave and i made them memorise duas for safety (aafiyat) and now Alhamdulillah I'm so glad that they are praying in congregation 5 times a day. I can't ever be thankful enough to Almighty Allah who has given us the opportunity and resources to help our children memorise the Holy Book. By the grace of Allah, I've resumed my studies while all four of my children are going to school. The only trouble now is that we miss the head of our family; my hubby but I'm sure Allah miaN knows this and He won't test our patience for long. I won't bash east or west, nor would I be hell bent on my theories. I know everyone has his/her own circumstances. I just pray whatever each of us has decided for ourselves, it remains in our best interest. There is no place in the world where you won't face any problem. So it all boils down to one's priorities and personal choices.
Just my 2 paisas :)
PS..Hareem rightly said, we don't really have many libraries here, something I miss...but Alhamdulillah with the passage of time we have collected a wealth of books for our home library :)
It's quite brave of you I think. We tried looking for a job in Pakistan for my husband but it's difficult to find a job there, but even in pakistan I'd still prefer to homeschool them because I just don't agree with the modern Education in general.
There are families in UK who are very religious and their kids are very religious too mashallah so yes I strongly believe that parents have the power to instil morals in their kids no matter if they're living in East or west.
I suppose one day when your kids are old enough (may be uni level) you plan to return to UK?
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Zareen ... Once upon a time ... way back in 80s I was as Patriotic as you are ... But Now the reality has just sneaked in after living here for two years ....
This country , city , culture aint anymore what I missed - while living abroad :(
I know, i don't like some changes that have taken place n i do miss my childhood days culture where people were more close knit, more caring and the country was without these bomb blasts and attacks. However, it is still my motherland and i can't leave it or ever stop loving it. I feel it is so similiar to a mother who doesnt lessen her love for her sick child, infact her attention is more diverted towards that child who needs it more than her healthy kids.
It is very unfortunate. I wish we could be more like Japanese and Koreans. I've seen that amongst the educated one, they almost always return back to their countries after completing their education in USA.
See, so you understand my point. Now when are you heading back home? :D J/K.
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This thread is like a broken record.
Okay lets step aside from the usual hopelessness and disgust for the country's current state. I wonder how many of you would not mind living in Pakistan if the country makes a speedy miraculous improvement for next 5-10 years, and becomes somewhat similar to lets say Turkey...?
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I don’t know about you but after reading all this i can put money on this taht you are from Karachi …
Coming back to the topic.
I haven’t thought much about these things .. since i am not there yet. but i have seen my cousins here and my friends younger brother and sisters. They are in standard 10, 9, 6, 4 .. and believe me after looking at them .. I would never want my kids to study in these schools (i am being specific about Canada). Study system sucks here. till 8 standard no real education and then all of the sudden they are bombarded with lots of things and most of the time they aren’t even capable of handling it because of the 8 years they spent playing games etc.
I came here for my masters degree and thanks to my University/college/school which made me enough competent that throughout my masters, I din have to read a single word for my courses. Though i have to work for my Project/assignemts/thesis etc .. but courses here were so simple that for me they were like piece of cake.
the other day i was teaching some core concepts of programming to one of my nephew and i asked him if you know “binary” system. He is in class 8 or 9 .. and he said no .. which was surprise to me.
It might not be a cocern for people who have kids .. but for me .. a tough education is a must.
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During my masters here i was Proctoring an exam of programming for undergrad term 1 .. there were like 300 students in the hall and MOST of them din even know which months have 30 days and which have 31 .. and we are taught how to find days in a month on our knuckles.
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This thread is like a broken record.
Okay lets step aside from the usual hopelessness and disgust for the country's current state. I wonder how many of you would not mind living in Pakistan if the country makes a speedy miraculous improvement for next 5-10 years, and becomes somewhat similar to lets say Turkey...?
I will.
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did u chk out their math? 
lols.
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i din .. because i thought he is in 8th standard, he must know .. :s .. I used to solve Cal 1 problems when i was class 10th .. :s .. okay my expectations were high .. but at least .. binary system .. :s . .
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i din .. because i thought he is in 8th standard, he must know .. :s .. I used to solve Cal 1 problems when i was class 10th .. :s .. okay my expectations were high .. but at least .. binary system .. :s . .
but otherwise i think canada has a good education system. but lets nt get into that as it wud be going off-topic!
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P.S: During my masters here i was Proctoring an exam of programming for undergrad term 1 .. there were like 300 students in the hall and MOST of them din even know which months have 30 days and which have 31 .. and we are taught how to find days in a month on our knuckles.
and yet 99.99 % of inventions in this modern world belong to them ... Strange innit :)
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and yet 99.99 % of inventions in this modern world belong to them ... Strange innit :)
mujhe kyun lagta hai, those inventions must be thanks to all our talented pakistanis and ofcourse the chinese lot gone there!