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pride in being Pakistani
Niks, I don't see that pride among many posters here and that is what has disappointed me.
Allah he hafiz hai is qaum ka. Wahan k logon ki aata dhundte dhundte umar guzar rahi hai or yahan k logon ko thu thu karne se he fursat nahin hai. Or isi baat kay fayda third parties utha rahi hain, we've made a mockery of ourselves.
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^^ I dont see any fighting going on here ?
For Pakis - This is the civilized way of having a debate
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i would like suggest mods to issue warning message to make peace in this thread. pleej..
where is the fight that peace needs to be made?
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i would like suggest mods to issue warning message to make peace in this thread. pleej..
do you want to become a mod pal? coz you do this a lot....
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where is the fight that peace needs to be made?
do you want to become a mod pal? coz you do this a lot....
muzna: i could smell.
queer: a lot? when.
i think we are off topic.
QFT
Niks, I don't see that pride among many posters here and that is what has disappointed me.
Allah he hafiz hai is qaum ka. Wahan k logon ki aata dhundte dhundte umar guzar rahi hai or yahan k logon ko thu thu karne se he fursat nahin hai. Or isi baat kay fayda third parties utha rahi hain, we've made a mockery of ourselves.
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@Enigmatic - Except you don't talk in detail about the 'really good people', just like in western vs pakistani thread, your points were greatly skewed to one side.
I didn't share my experiences in this thread. I only mentioned something to do with the educational institutions as an example of the reasons which would not make me choose Pakistan for my children. Anyway, who do you meet? They must be relative for family friends, they can't be randoms. Doesn't that say something?
Met a couple of colleagues of my husband. His consultants and a few other people he knows. Yes we met family too..distant relatives from hubby's family. I hardly have relatives here. The people I met at this wedding of my husband's second cousins ..yes they were random.
As for the **really good **people ... umm decent, courteous people with good islamic values as I see quite a few of you here on GS too :D
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Thanks for the detailed update. I'm pleased to see that there is progress of this sort in Pakistan; however, this still is not the same thing as the mother/toddler groups that I was referring to.......
Gymboree is still pretty much a place that will provide child-care.....and there is no shortage of that type of service in Karachi. But glad anyway that a franchised name has reached there now.
:) yea I was equally glad to hear that too.
Well IMO daycares and mother/toddler groups are still not prevelant because there is always somebody at the house to take care of these kids. Esp grandparents.
And that would be one of my prime reason to raise my kids inshaAllah in Pakistan. I wouldnt need to be a total stay at home mom and I can continue with my job while my baby would be either in the loving supervision of his Daadi/Nani (May Allah bless them with a long healthy life). Baby sitters and maids are easily available too at a much lower cost.
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Maybe in your sitting rooms. But in professional environment this word can still get you in trouble whether you're Pakistani or not, countless Pakistani/Black kids in my school would get into trouble for using the P word, and I know someone who actually lost his job because of using that word.
Any civilised and self respecting Black or Pakistani wouldn't use this word (at least in normal conversations).
Very rarely do I get the opportunity to 'LOL' on GS, but you've just made me day pet.
I cannit for the life me belief that any one on here, this INTERWEB (note, not professional setting) site would have understood Hareem's post as...well, as piss poorly as you have.
Comprehension 101 - read the word in the context it is used. It's the interweb way. :)
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:) yea I was equally glad to hear that too.
Well IMO daycares and mother/toddler groups are still not prevelant because there is always somebody at the house to take care of these kids. Esp grandparents.
And that would be one of my prime reason to raise my kids inshaAllah in Pakistan. I wouldnt need to be a total stay at home mom and I can continue with my job while my baby would be either in the loving supervision of his Daadi/Nani (May Allah bless them with a long healthy life). Baby sitters and maids are easily available too at a much lower cost.
That's a nice idea, it's better to let the kid stay with his grandparents than a stranger and I admire those grandparents for willing to babysit.
I'm personally quite against childcare especially for infants but the whole purpose of mother and toddler group and friendship groups is to socialize, I know in Pak we might not need all that stuff because most people have big families there and unlike me they don't care about meeting new people.
I have a friend here in UK who works part time and coz her parents are in this country she leaves her kids with them, it's working quite well for her. I, on the other hand, have a very small family in UK as well as in Pakistan and that's why I always like meeting up with new people.
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Very rarely do I get the opportunity to 'LOL' on GS, but you've just made me day pet.
I cannit for the life me belief that any one on here, this INTERWEB (note, not professional setting) site would have understood Hareem's post as...well, as piss poorly as you have.
Comprehension 101 - read the word in the context it is used. It's the interweb way. :)
Really? I get the lulz everyday, unintentional on the part of the posters I'm sure.
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^BBQ your post calls for a 
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Really? I get the lulz everyday, unintentional on the part of the posters I'm sure.
That's cos you read more than 4 lines!!
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^^ I dont see any fighting going on here ?
For Pakis - This is the civilized way of having a debate
umm that's getting a bit spiteful now , no? :) No not the 'paki' part ..incase another debate starts on that :p
So just one question: what do you call yourself. If somebody asks you where are you from , or what are you by origin
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Can we please make some four five decent threads out of this one - you got enough material to do so ...
and Plus I am not finished with my posting on the original topic :)
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Jee nahin, I’m busy stuffing my tid! 
Isi thread mein continue karein.
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umm that's getting a bit spiteful now , no? :) No not the 'paki' part ..incase another debate starts on that :p
So just one question: what do you call yourself. If somebody asks you where are you from , or what are you by origin
same as what Iqbal said ages ago '' Ek hooN Muslim Haram ki pasBani k leay - Nile k sahill se lay kar tab'khaaK-e-KashGar '
If they are not happy with the term ' Global citizen ' of a global village ... I tell them I am from Pakistan / A pakistani / or Paki in short ...
If they are still not happy . I tell them I am a karachitte ..
And if they are still not happy - then i tell them where exactly I was born and lived in Karachi .... and during a year , where and where in this world I spend my days
But Usually I meet content and not too much nosy people in me life - and it is a blessing :D - But generally we Pakis are quite inquisitive people by nature
You tell that you are from pakistani and they gonaa ' Pechu kitay c ' - Then you tell Peechu and they ask another question ' no we mean ' from where your parents migrated to Pakistan ' ..
and so end up sharing your 800 years old lineage with them :)
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That's a nice idea, it's better to let the kid stay with his grandparents than a stranger and I admire those grandparents for willing to babysit.
I'm personally quite against childcare especially for infants but the whole purpose of mother and toddler group and friendship groups is to socialize, I know in Pak we might not need all that stuff because most people have big families there and unlike me they don't care about meeting new people.
I have a friend here in UK who works part time and coz her parents are in this country she leaves her kids with them, it's working quite well for her. I, on the other hand, have a very small family in UK as well as in Pakistan and that's why I always like meeting up with new people.
yes that's a great idea am sure esp to socialize and find like minded people .. :) I meanwhile have a big family back in Pakistan. So yes you are right, I never needed to socialize with new people...plus i had quite a few friends at med school too as well as from my GCSE's and Alevels.
Well since hareem you have been living here for so long and you have a small family there in Pakistan..it's QUITE justified you don't want to raise kids there.
My reason would be our parents mainly, patriotism plays a part too...but am not blind to the mountain of flaws in the system there. But I would feel too lonely here when I have a bunch of friends and family there all doing well MA professionally.
Secondly I want my kids to be a part of all the good family things there and be raised in the same manner so he/she never feels alienated or too different there. The school I went to was a pretty good one too..and i wouldn't mind my children attending the same school either as it's a 'been there done that' thing.
Coming to Islamic teachings and instilling of values my hubby and I still need to learn alot, study alot.. Our parents MA as well as khalas etc are much more well versed in Quran's tafseer and Sunnah. Their supervision and also a few people I know who give such good Dars there at their homes...i would want my kids to be under the same influences too.
Then if i would want to practise clinically and study at the same time , raisng kids alone here seems so daunting and sort of impossible for me.
The rest I can only pray that the situation (security issues, inflation, lawlessness) gets better instead of getting worse there InshAllah :) and people at least learn a few good things from the west instead of the race of being *'maadurn, liberal and OPEN maynded *(a common way of saying it there by some paindu elites in pakistan :P)
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muzna: i could smell.
queer: a lot? when.
i think we are off topic.
QFT
great..I'm glad you can smell......
perhaps our moderators are trained a bit differently.....I'm sure they are well capable of identifying a need for moderation.
currently I don't see one.
thanks anyway for your input......in future feel free to contact a moderator with evidence and I'm sure they will take the necessary action.
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Well IMO daycares and mother/toddler groups are still not prevelant because there is always somebody at the house to take care of these kids. Esp grandparents.
and that is precisely what I found funny.....granted my post was tainted with sarcasm......
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Top 5? highfive 
But
Egoistically. This coming from a student who attends one of the top ranked universities in the world?
