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^ the games are just ending.....you were late my friend.
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Whilst reading this thread after a GS break I saw this post ... now a slight off topic point but it is important that it gets answered ... This statement "all animals are equal but some are more equal than others" is a statement in irony ... It is supposed to be relating to what is observed NOT what is the ideal ... the ideal being equality ... but when society allows itself to freely or randomly arrive at equality it doesn't ... what happens is that it naturally creates order and rank ... more influential people become leaders and others followers ... some people seek out who to follow ... so it is true that this phenomenon exists which means the lesson herein is "don't try to force equality" it won't work. Or rather don't think that equality means making everyone the same ... leaders and followers are equal in rights, but are never equal in all aspects.
Coming back to the topic of the thread ... it is a related thing as to why people may not want to go to live in Pakistan ... First of all it is very hot there most of the year ... this argument is void for those who live in the UAE or other hot climates ... but generally speaking other than this it is a lifestyle that people who live in the West cannot adjust to easily ...
Other than these real reasons there is a significant "image" factor ... Pakistan is not considered a developed country even though it has nukes ... and the natural order of man is to desire the best and he looks up to the leaders ... the West being the weight behind international laws it is not surprising that people wish to remain here.
In general people who want to have servants, get AC driven cars and have lavish lifestyles tend to want to live in Pakistan as opposed to the UK for example, but this is because those people live a working class life in the West ... There are some people who live a middle class or upper working class life in the West and then the lifestyle difference begins to reduce. Apart from servants (which in the west are really only available to the upper middle class and high class), all and more facilities are available and furthermore enough is left behind to support the family as well. Given the weather it begins to make little sense to go to Pakistan as lifestyle in the West improves due to breaking class barriers.
Religion is not a valid point - it is often used as a reason but it is not ... religion can be sought effectively in every climate in every nation ... that is the beauty of living in the modern age. Communication has brought a death to distance. I think Sister Niksik has some very valid points ... it is considerably difficult to be diverse and have individual flare and seek uniqueness in personality in an environment which is herd like ... and as a result it is also difficult to seek out Islam where everyone is Muslim but have very different ideals and behaviours. There is no suitable contrast. It is not to say there are no good role models there ... they are however more hidden.
So the general consensus suggests, treating all animals equally is the way to go. Theek? If its implemented completely or not in real life is a different subject altogether and obviously would vary from one subject to the other, different circumstances/reasons for not being able to do the right thing. On the contrary, some succeed in treating most equally because their ultimate goal is to achieve it. Neeyat saaf, manzil asaan. And you would find both types everywhere, here or there. I asked Hareem01 about the signature just so I could understand why she says and believes in what she does and then perhaps enlighten her with genuine/neutral views of a simple citizen of Pakistan living in Pakistan for the past 2 decades and who see's no complications out of the ordinary when it comes to raising his kids in Pakistan compared to elsewhere. No attempts to enforce, just plain simple insight.
I admit the weather is hot mostly in a year around, and if thats one of the reasons to not live in Pakistan, completely understandable. However, simultaneously there are a number of people who find it really hard to adjust in the colder climates. Say for example Canada, I'd personally really find it hard to settle down in Canada. So yes, a valid point. But hey theres always the getting acclimatized option you know. :)
Pakistan is not considered to be a developed nation, but it sure is a fast developing one. Disagree?
Lets not get into politics, I could shed some insight on a very recent incident (that involved equality + politics) that took place here but not something I'd want to get into. Distasteful.
Luxuries should not outweigh a country. However on a different note, I don't see a reason why Islam should not appreciate someone who chooses to live in a country he/she was destined to be in, your thoughts?
And finally, thankyou for this post. Peace.
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That's true but I have never seen some educated British Pakistani defending DM or other crap like that.
Point is why should I consider moving there if Paki media is the same or worse than Western media?
Sure you guys can come up with the same old reply "you can screen your kids from it" but then I can stay here if it's about only screening them out, at least in UK I'll have other things to do and other ways of socializing with like minded people.
We have libraries here, we have mother and toddler groups, we have friendship groups here where you can meet like-minded people, but in Pak I don't think you have such opportunities available for meeting other people. Again I'm not bashing them for it, it's just the way it works in Pakistan.
Bolney ki ijaazat hai?
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Bolney ki ijaazat hai?
yea but only at Hyde park :)
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ahh stoppit ..honestly am not generalising or anything. I was just answering in reply to a few posts that in the west you have a choice to interact with the like minded people and I gave an example … I never said that everybody is like that … please don’t take me wrong ..am not against any of the brit born people or the families settled here..in each post i kept saying i have met some really good people too. And a few months is hardly a time to deduce the kind of people living here..am just telling that out of the MAJORITY of the poeple ..these were the kinds I found more…am just sharing my experiences. Like Hareem or any of you were sharing yours in Pakistan 
Honestly it’s not a funny idea anymore My own friend part of the Beaconhouse faculty has taken active part in launching Gymboree.
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Gymboree launch in Pakistan
Beaconhouse has launched the first “Gymboree Play & Music” centre in Pakistan at its Liberty Campus in Lahore.
*According to Gymboree Corporation Director Stuart Ford, as many as 97 per cent of the children who attend Early Childhood Development Centres from birth to three years of age perform better in the early years of their life in pre-school compared to those denied the opportunity. The Gymboree concept focuses on the cognitive, social and physical development of children aged 0-5 years through playing, singing, movement and sensory development activity.
With over 700 centres in 37 countries, Gymboree is the world leader in early childhood development. Their programmes are also recognised for their unique approach to parent involvement - which encourages participation in and understanding of each child’s development. Gymboree Pakistan Director Sophia Kasuri emphasises the need for parents to participate in play and learn activities with their children to help their development. Eighty per cent of the human brain develops between birth and three years, a critical period which lays the foundation for a child’s future.
Beaconhouse is the only authorised franchise of Gymboree programmes in Pakistan and plans to open centres nationwide.
http://www.beaconhouse.edu.pk/bssgroup/cms_main.php?id=2
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Sophia is now looking to introduce Gymboree, the world leader in early childhood development, to Pakistani parents.
“Gymboree is a very different concept. Unlike The Early Years, where most of the programmes are designed for parents to drop their children off, Gymboree’s philosophy is based on parent-child interaction,” says Sophia, leaning forward for emphasis. “I first became familiar with Gymboree when I was pregnant with Kyan. I was in the US getting Lina’s hair cut when I saw a Gymboree Play & Music centre. I was curious, so I walked in and what I saw inspired me to try it.”
http://www.pakistanigirlsblog.com/post/1228/Child-development-centre-by-Sophia-Kasuri-in-Karachi-.html
So with no offence or anything…one shouldn’t be mocking before knowing the facts Those who can afford day cares, nurseries, parent toddler groups here can surely do so in Pakistan too …so money shouldnt be an issue. And Registration with gymboree and a 5 month fee costs about 25K rupees i think
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Trends are changing and a lot of ppl have come back from abroad and trying to make a difference too 
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Hypocrisy at its highest state, I mean every Member here bad mouthing pakistan should think that you too were once part of pakistan, your farthers and for- fathers came from that very place. and its these ppl who have actually destoyed pakistan ..rather than to make things better .. making worse instead cos they got nawt better to do.
heres a fact i believe is a fact. every overseas person who has any link to pakistan... they have a pakistani passport stashed away just incase of emmergency ..say like the queen kicks you out or the americans revoke your green cards.. why jump ships when you need it ...and only way all these ppl think is .. go back to pakistan.. hence all the ''jaaey daad'' and bank balances they have in pakistan ..i.e. they make therir khotis in pak (in which bhens and khotay are living literally) to go back to when needed. ..then they say pakistan is bad ..
conclusion: hypocrisy
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@Enigmatic - Except you don't talk in detail about the 'really good people', just like in western vs pakistani thread, your points were greatly skewed to one side.
I didn't share my experiences in this thread. I only mentioned something to do with the educational institutions as an example of the reasons which would not make me choose Pakistan for my children.
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Thanks for the detailed update. I’m pleased to see that there is progress of this sort in Pakistan; however, this still is not the same thing as the mother/toddler groups that I was referring to…
Gymboree is still pretty much a place that will provide child-care…and there is no shortage of that type of service in Karachi.
But glad anyway that a franchised name has reached there now.
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^yeah glad to see the progress Enigmatic...mother and toddler groups here are almost free...£1 per child.
Conclusion: Money can buy anything. :D
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I am a US citizen and I got no Pakistani passport. 
Besides, no one’s bad mouthing Pakistan here. When you say it like that, Yeah, it sounds bad! We are talking about problems that exist that some people just don’t want to admit are there. These are real concerns for people who have been living abroad for decades. They can’t just pack up and go and that too to raise kids? it makes no sense. Why did they come here to begin with? If anything, it’s more like pooping where you eat. We bad mouth the countries we live in too. We are simply not blinded by patriotism. Sometimes to really understand a problem you have step back and look at the big picture.
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People are forgetting that unlike west, here in Pakistan we have a family system! We are not like west where we have to take appoinments to meet our family or where we have to dig up book to find out what to do with our babies. I am all for self education but you learn the best from other peoples’ experiences, in this case your elders. Hence people here don’t have issues where they need to go on a month long training to “learn” breast feeding or all that sort of things :halo:. Also, we do have docs who guide the new mothers about all these things.
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I don’t want my kids.
Ufff
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^now who's stereotyping? If you lived here long enough, you would know a lot of American families still have very good & fair family values. They don't ask for appointments and they don't all pull out parenting books to raise their children. what's wrong with that anyway? Whatever we are doing here is working, ain't it? We are not raising womanizers, losers, chichoray, are we?
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^now who's stereotyping? If you lived here long enough, you would know a lot of American families still have very good & fair family values. They don't ask for appointments and they don't all pull out parenting books to raise their children. what's wrong with that anyway? Whatever we are doing here is working, ain't it? We are not raising womanizers, losers, chichoray, are we?
What? I'm guessing that's for Zareen.
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that just reminded me...do they still show condom ads in Pak?
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new title for this thread
Western STEREOTYPES vs Pakistani STEREOTYPES ...
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You mean family input like nadz family in Pakistan that is feeding her kid spicy stuff against her wishes?
And your comment about breastfeeding just shows how immature and un-knowledgeable you are, speaking about things you have no clue about.
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^now who's stereotyping? If you lived here long enough, you would know a lot of American families still have very good & fair family values. They don't ask for appointments and they don't all pull out parenting books to raise their children. what's wrong with that anyway? Whatever we are doing here is working, ain't it? We are not raising womanizers, losers, chichoray, are we?
Well i was only explaining WHY you guys need more of those services than us. Simple! I already said self education is not wrong i.e reading the books to upgrade yourself. But you still can't compare it to having an elder guide you personally.
I never said there was an issue with working people, where did you get that from?!
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why? how is that immature and un-knowledgable? care to explain.
As for nadz’s family, we only know one side of the story. And i didnt say we have perfect people here who are not able to make mistakes :halo:.
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Pakistan has 7 universities that feature in the worlds top 600.
Pakistan is ranked 7th for having the largest pool of scientists and Engineers in the World.
Pakistan has the honor of producing the youngest civil judge Muhammad Ilyas at the age of 20 years and 9 months. Also, a Pakistani student made a world record by scoring 22 A’s in A-level exams.
Visual effects specialist Mir Zafar Ali started his career by creating the immaculate sheet of hair that cascades around a shampoo model’s face. Since then, the Beaconhouse and FAST graduate from Karachi has scooped up an Oscar for the brilliant sequences in The Golden Compass in 2007 that beat those in The Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End and Transformers.
KARACHI: A seven-year-old student of Karachi made the nation proud by winning an international English language competition.
Zaid Siddiqui, a student of class II, is a resident of Bagh Korangi. He participated in International Olympiad of English Language event and secured the first position.
Fourteen countries, including England and India, had competed in the event.
Speaking to SAMAA, he expressed the desire to serve the nation by joining the army.
Zaidi’s elder sister, Sidra Siddiqui also bagged the 15th position in the same competition.
The proud mother of two position holders say that she pays special attention to the study of their children. Kids’ father Asghar Siddiqui says that their children are free to select their career lines.
Students like Said Siddiqui are the hope of Pakistani nation. The government should also support and encourage them to bring more laurels to the country.
http://www.samaa.tv/newsdetail.aspx?ID=33123
It caused a major fit last time around that ended up with a few post deletes. Wouldnt want a repeat of that, being shown the getting personal card, not the bestest of achievements out there.