Hum do humarey do

[hareem01]

@midnighteyes

I dont care if he has 10 kids or 100 or 1,000. But he doesnt even know all their names. How much quality time does he spend with each one? It has nothing to do with him following our "standards and criteria" or him being poor. Being poor doesnt mean you are a bad parent. Being rich doesnt mean you are a good parent. But if you dont even know your own child's name.....sad!!

@Spock

Firstly, I hail from a developing country. Secondly, I am not blaming anyone here. I don't personally waste food nor do I waste resources, p.s I am just one person, and trust me, I eat only what I can handle and never have had to throw away food.

The idea of having a soccer team of kids is just absurd with these problems prevalent in the world. Why bring in 6 kids to a world of misery and a substandard life knowingly and not catering their needs effectively, as compared to 3.

We did a study back in school and we ascertained people in the rural areas of Pakistan have ALOT of kids not because they want to, but because they dont have birth control and when the farmer heads home, he has no means of entertainment.

I'm not sure if we're here to discuss this particular man with 100 kids or the idea of having more than 2 kids. This guy is an unusual and extreme case.

Anyway, I'm sure people even in rural areas are fully acquainted with birth control but have no money to buy it.
Even if they do have the means to buy it still there are chances to become pregnant.

And what is the proof of world's misery is caused by three or more children in the family.

There are better reasons for world's misery, the highest one on the list is the fatigue of chasing duniya and not getting it or by being too materialistically cautious and that still not being sufficient.

Besides, I don't know why should we promote birth control that includes abortions and contraceptives and suffer with the side effects.

[Spock]

@hareem01

I'm not sure if we're here to discuss this particular man with 100 kids or the idea of having more than 2 kids. This guy is an unusual and extreme case.

There is a difference between human beings and animals, and he seems to have forgotten what he is.

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Anyway, I'm sure people even in rural areas are fully acquainted with birth control but have no money to buy it.

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I disagree, and how can you be so sure, when you have various credible sources claiming the opposite? Trust me, most of them dont even want to talk about this topic.

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Even if they do have the means to buy it still there are chances to become pregnant.

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With 98-99% effectiveness, I doubt it. This 'chance' you are talking about is way too low to be considered a reason to fore go population control.

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And what is the proof of world's misery is caused by three or more children in the family.

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Now lets be sensible here. Why do you think our Govt in Pakistan has been trying so hard to control the population.

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There are better reasons for world's misery, the highest one on the list is the fatigue of chasing duniya and not getting it or by being too materialistically cautious and that still not being sufficient.

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You are trying to bring in religion here. Lets not detract. With living standards on the rise; advances in medicine, surgical procedures, the population has grown leaps. Sure, having many kids is fine, but there should be a voluntary cap, especially if you do not have the means to pay for their needs.

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Besides, I don't know why should we promote birth control that includes abortions and contraceptives and suffer with the side effects.
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Birth control and abortion are two different things! p.s. an undernourished woman who has 5-6 kids, hardly anything to eat and in dire poverty goes through many more side effects.

[Niksik]

Re: Hum do humarey do

Excellent points Spock.

Hareem I do understand where you're coming from. But you see, education on a smaller scale by more people, more volunteers may help rather than mass advertising. I know there have been community efforts but nothing is consistent. They do it for a few months and then they are gone or the funds are lost and transferred to more glamorous topics.

The thing is that if every individual understands the value of children they may also understand the importance of being able to provide for them... not just in terms of food but schooling, health, etc.

[hareem01]

Re: Hum do humarey do

@Spock

There is a difference between human beings and animals, and he seems to have forgotten what he is.

Still he doesn't beg nor do his children.

@Spock

I disagree, and how can you be so sure, when you have various credible sources claiming the opposite? Trust me, most of them dont even want to talk about this topic.

Not using contraceptives is their choice but it doesn't mean they don't know any thing about it.

@Spock

With 98-99% effectiveness, I doubt it. This 'chance' you are talking about is way too low to be considered a reason to fore go population control.

Where is the proof for it being 98-99 percent effective?

@Spock

Now lets be sensible here. Why do you think our Govt in Pakistan has been trying so hard to control the population.

Because of foreign pressure.

@Spock

You are trying to bring in religion here. Lets not detract. With living standards on the rise; advances in medicine, surgical procedures, the population has grown leaps. Sure, having many kids is fine, but there should be a voluntary cap, especially if you do not have the means to pay for their needs.

I agree.

@Spock

Birth control and abortion are two different things! p.s. an undernourished woman who has 5-6 kids, hardly anything to eat and in dire poverty goes through many more side effects.

Contraception means before conceiving, some pills are for after conceiving and other methods like abortion for after becoming fully pregnant, all three are forms of birth control.

So you're saying contraception is the lesser evil and thus should be adapted?

I say we should be looking for new and better ways of pregnancy control because the three industries of birth control [abortions, pills and latex] suck.

[Gr8Heera]

@Niksik

No, we are not even trying to reach him. Believe me, nor do we think we can even put some sense in his head. And he really doesn't seem to be "poor" according to standards. We're just discussing here.

As much as we'd like to ignore or deny the fact is that we need to educate our people about quantity in children. Not from the rizq point of view because that comes from Allah, but general health and upbringing. There's a lot that goes on after a child is born. I personally know women, educated families, where 4-5 kids isn't considered a big deal.. whereas in reality, the mother's health is suffering, many women become diabetic or obese, can hardly take care of themselves let alone their children. Why? Having kids is about adding to your happiness, not just being a production machine.

Now Nikki didi Allah ko mano aur tauba karo. Sirf rizq hi naheen Allah sub kuch karwata hai. He can't do a single thing for his kid.

Why aren't you understanding that Allah is giving him he can't reproduce now matter how much he make effort to do that (as bayaulads do and don't get child).

Allah must have something for them to do. You can't understand that.

How can you say that kay wife ki health kharab hoti hai buchchay paida karnay walay ki.

Hamaray mohallay main aik thi buchchay her saal paida hotay thay kankri si thi per sub ko palti thi. Paisay bhi bohat kum thay phir bhi masha Allah sub poora hota tha buchchay aur maan dono sayhatmand thay.

Aur hamari nani masha Allah kai buchchay thay aur abhi tuk masha Allah hayat hain aur tandurust kay apna kam bhi ker leti hain bus burhapa kafi aa gia hai.

That is so silly to say that wife get lots of problem or bimariaan. Jisko bemari honi hoti hai hoti hai. Meri ammi kay just half buchchay thay meri nani ki nisbaat laikin bemariaan hi bemaari thi aur kub ki wafat paa chukeen. My nani use to say "awww beta itnay kum buchchay". I was like what Nani itnay saraon ko aap kum kahti hain".

@hareem01

So you're saying women who have two or less children are healthier than those who have more than 2 kids?

Believe me there's too much going on about advertising family planning in Pakistan. You'll see posters and clinics everywhere in towns and in villages even health visitors also offer help regarding family planning to women. Or else we can make laws like China to force the lower class to not to have more than one child.

Niki didi jaisay logon ko bewaqoof bananay kay liaay to ishteharat hotay hain.

Niki didi wo aurat achchi khasi tagri aur sehatmund nazar aa rahi hai video main. Aur khaas baat hasad jalan bhi naheen rakhti kay uska miaan aur shadi karay ga aur buchchay paida karay ga. Aisay hi sub musalman aurton ko hona chahyay.

@Spock

^ The way things are going in Pakistan, I think that law will have to be put into use. We do have a serious population problem, considering our resources.

To pooray Pakistan main buchcha ban muhim chalani chahyay kioon kay problem to bohat hain unko khatm karnay kay liaay buchcha ban forum bana dena chahyay Pakistan ko. Yayhi aap ka mutlub hai na?

@hareem01

Living in countries with high ranking in wasting food, energy and resources it is easy to point fingers at developing countries.

Haan ji. Yahan yay ban kartay hain buchchon ko aur games waghaira main aur shops main itnay khanay ki cheezain daily phainktay hain kay Allah ki panah.
Apnay Pakistan kay lihaaz say daikha jaay to inkay mulk main to bohat resources hain phir kioon yay bottle ka dhukkun bund kar detay hain.

@Niksik

No, I'm not saying that... but there are more chances of a woman who has several kids to be more stressed and more unhealthy. What I'm trying to say is that one must be thoughtful of making the decision to have so many children.

No not at all. It's your way of thingking kay more stressed and more healthy.

What thoughts of your going to do with your kids. They will do whatever they will like to do. No matter what your thoughts are. Every one can't have same thought. Even sisters and brothers can't have same thought.

According to what I saw all kids lady and father seem healthy and happy.

There are many couples in Pakistan who have kids 2 or less but no healthy and happy.

If he want why we want to stop him to not have kids. Whey we are getting worried about his kid, when we won't do any thing to help him.

[Gr8Heera]

@Spock

There is a difference between human beings and animals, and he seems to have forgotten what he is.

I disagree, and how can you be so sure, when you have various credible sources claiming the opposite? Trust me, most of them dont even want to talk about this topic.

With 98-99% effectiveness, I doubt it. This 'chance' you are talking about is way too low to be considered a reason to fore go population control.

Now lets be sensible here. Why do you think our Govt in Pakistan has been trying so hard to control the population.

You are trying to bring in religion here. Lets not detract. With living standards on the rise; advances in medicine, surgical procedures, the population has grown leaps. Sure, having many kids is fine, but there should be a voluntary cap, especially if you do not have the means to pay for their needs.

Birth control and abortion are two different things! p.s. an undernourished woman who has 5-6 kids, hardly anything to eat and in dire poverty goes through many more side effects.

Answer for last paragraph:

If you are so worried about that undernaurished lady then go ahead do your farz of giving Zakat, fitra and sadaqa to make her healty instead of asking her to use birth control which is so very wrong. Why should se use birth contol against Allah will.

Why pakistan is helping kuffars because they get money from kuffars to promote that in our country.

[Gr8Heera]

I am not all for 'hum do hamaray do', one should have as many as one can reasonably and responsibly take care of.

Now this dude is an extreme, and is crazy and disgusting. Nick is right, its not just about making children, its about being a responsible parent.

For your and Niki didi soach.

What if parents who are so thoughtful and die in a accident then who raise those kids.

Aap loag na Allah ko kuch naheen samajhtay khud ko samajhtay hain sub kartay hain is liaay so thoughtful buntay hain.

Allah sub kuch karnay wala hai parents naheen. Allah sub ka waseela bana deta hai.

Now Niki didi aap bohat thoughtful hain aur aap kay husband bhi khuda na khuwasta aap aur husband ki death ho jati hai to aap kay buchchon ko kia aap ka thoughtfulness palay ga ya Allah. Please answer this question.

[hareem01]

@Gr8Heera

For your and Niki didi soach.

What if parents who are so thoughtful and die in a accident then who raise those kids.

Aap loag na Allah ko kuch naheen samajhtay khud ko samajhtay hain sub kartay hain is liaay so thoughtful buntay hain.

Allah sub kuch karnay wala hai parents naheen. Allah sub ka waseela bana deta hai.

Now Niki didi aap bohat thoughtful hain aur aap kay husband bhi khuda na khuwasta aap aur husband ki death ho jati hai to aap kay buchchon ko kia aap ka thoughtfulness palay ga ya Allah. Please answer this question.

A thoughtful point to ponder for us parents, thank you Gr8heera.

[Gr8Heera]

@Niksik

Excellent points Spock.

Hareem I do understand where you're coming from. But you see, education on a smaller scale by more people, more volunteers may help rather than mass advertising. I know there have been community efforts but nothing is consistent. They do it for a few months and then they are gone or the funds are lost and transferred to more glamorous topics.

The thing is that if every individual understands the value of children they may also understand the importance of being able to provide for them... not just in terms of food but schooling, health, etc.

Yeah Niki did I understand Hareem coming from the Religious point of veiw totally and you are not.

You think you do everything and you are thoughtful and extremely aqalmand but you are so very wrong. Every thing Allah do. Allah give kids and Allah take care of them all. Why don't you understand this. When you will believe in this totally you won't say anything like that.

Why Kuffars are giving money to birth control why not using that money to poor kids and family. Why they don't send ppl to give them education? As its in quran or I don't know where but muslims kay khoob buchchay hona chahyay kay wo kuffar ka muqabla kar sakain.

Aik waqt aay ga jaisa kay quran main hai kay yay kuffar musalmanon ko maar maar kay khutum karnay pay tulay hon gay aur bohat thori muslim qaum rah gai ho gi. Didn't you read that. Is liaay muslmanon ko apni fauj banatay rahna chahyay takay kuffar say muqbla kar sakain.

[Gr8Heera]

@hareem01

A thoughtful point to ponder for us parents, thank you Gr8heera.

You are welcome Hareem sis. I understand what you are trying to explain to those thoughtful ppl and they are not understanding. They think everything is in their soach and hand. That is so very wrong.

I love your way of thinking. Masha Allah and I'm fan of your way.

[Spock]

@hareem01

Still he doesn't beg nor do his children.

He will have to, once he gets his 150 kids. p.s. a lot of girohs in Pakistan have a family begging business, where they have all their kids out there begging, and the more the kids, the more the income.

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Not using contraceptives is their choice but it doesn't mean they don't know any thing about it.

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They don't 'know' about it. Trust me, if they knew these things work and arent part of some government conspiracy (they even think polio vaccines are an attempt to make them infertiile), they'd use them. They need to be educated.

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Where is the proof for it being 98-99 percent effective?

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You might want to talk to people who use birth control pills and ask them how effective they are, if you think the medical journals are making it up. Last I remember reading, contraceptive pills, the most commonly used form of birth control had a 97-98% success rate.

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Because of foreign pressure.

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LOL! Why would foriegners be so worried about our population? The only ones worried as the agencies, whose job it is to eradicate poverty, preserve the environment and raise living standards. This is a genuine problem in our country and other developing country. Khaney ko kuch hain ahee mulq mey lekin bachey 10 honey chahiyeh.

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I agree.

Contraception means before conceiving, some pills are for after conceiving and other methods like abortion for after becoming fully pregnant, all three are forms of birth control.

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Sorry but I dont consider abortion as birth control. Even the emergency morning after pill isnt considered birth control but EMERGENCY birth control, emergency being the key word. Abortions arent used in every day life for birth control, I hope you understad that.

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So you're saying contraception is the lesser evil and thus should be adapted?

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I dont consider contraception an evil at all, because abstinence only morals dont work generally, especially after a couples married.

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I say we should be looking for new and better ways of pregnancy control because the three industries of birth control [abortions, pills and latex] suck.
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Again, abortion isnt birth control. Pills work just fine, along with patches. There are side effects but with medical advances they'll go away. You did not even talk about vasectomy etc. What do you mean by latex? If you are talking about condoms, that is a must because of STDs being on the rise, and please do not tell me there is no promiscuity in developing countries. Also, what do you mean by 'they suck'?

[Spock]

@Gr8Heera

Answer for last paragraph:

If you are so worried about that undernaurished lady then go ahead do your farz of giving Zakat, fitra and sadaqa to make her healty instead of asking her to use birth control which is so very wrong. Why should se use birth contol against Allah will.

Why pakistan is helping kuffars because they get money from kuffars to promote that in our country.

Chanda, this world does not revolve around my zakaat or kheraat. Get out of this blaming kaafir nexus for crying out loud and please try to grow some thinking matter.

[Gr8Heera]

@Spock

Chanda, this world does not revolve around my zakaat or kheraat. Get out of this blaming kaafir nexus for crying out loud and please try to grow some thinking matter.

Chakori this world revolve around the money distribution in right way. We all keep money become rich and don't give needy ppls money to needy which Allah gave us in our hand. Due to this un even distribution by our side is the malnaurishment in the society.

Yes it does revolve around zakat, fitra sadqa of each human being.

I tried to grow some thinking is liaay itna barh gia hai kay aap samajh naheen paa rahay/raheen.

[chips6]

@hareem01

Contraception means before conceiving, some pills are for after conceiving and other methods like abortion for after becoming fully pregnant, all three are forms of birth control.

So you're saying contraception is the lesser evil and thus should be adapted?

I say we should be looking for new and better ways of pregnancy control because the three industries of birth control [abortions, pills and latex] suck.

Abortion is not a form of birth control...!!!....

[Spock]

@Gr8Heera

Chakori this world revolve around the money distribution in right way. We all keep money become rich and don't give needy ppls money to needy which Allah gave us in our hand. Due to this un even distribution by our side is the malnaurishment in the society.

Yes it does revolve around zakat, fitra sadqa of each human being.

I tried to grow some thinking is liaay itna barh gia hai kay aap samajh naheen paa rahay/raheen.

And what made you think I have trees of money growing in my back yard for the needy? Sorry but if you keep posting silly and meaningless stuff, do not expect a reply from me. Did it even occur to you that the developing world may consist of non-Muslims who do not buy this concept of zakat?

Also, it would help if Zakat is used to fulfill the needs of the 'existing' needy and not used to control the problems of over population.

[Spock]

@chips6

Abortion is not a form of birth control…!!!..

tell me about it

[hareem01]

Re: Hum do humarey do

@Spock

He will have to, once he gets his 150 kids. p.s. a lot of girohs in Pakistan have a family begging business, where they have all their kids out there begging, and the more the kids, the more the income.

So you are a fortune-teller! At present he's working and his older children are also working and some of them are married and have their own families.

@Spock

They don't 'know' about it. Trust me, if they knew these things work and arent part of some government conspiracy (they even think polio vaccines are an attempt to make them infertiile), they'd use them. They need to be educated.

If they don't wanna use [for whatever reason]it you can't force them to buy it. And what else you want to do besides the bombardement of advertisements everywhere, do you want Government to use force against the poor people having kids?

About the vaccines, even in western countries people have started to show their concerns about it.

@Spock

You might want to talk to people who use birth control pills and ask them how effective they are, if you think the medical journals are making it up. Last I remember reading, contraceptive pills, the most commonly used form of birth control had a 97-98% success rate.

I got pregnant while I was on the pill and suffered few side effects.

Here's the list of side effects these pills can cause:

Minor side effects

Headaches
Nausea
Breast tenderness
slight weight gain
slight spotting of blood

serious side effects

DVT
Heart attacks
strokes

(these are rare but still there are the chances)

While the pill can reduce the chance of ovary and womb cancer and can increase the chance of cervical and liver cancer.

And you say it's not evil at all that because you don't have to have the pill. lolz

There are side effects to all the contraceptives except few but then they reduce the pleasure.
If you wanna promote, promote natural and harmless ways.

@Spock

LOL! Why would foriegners be so worried about our population? The only ones worried as the agencies, whose job it is to eradicate poverty, preserve the environment and raise living standards. This is a genuine problem in our country and other developing country. Khaney ko kuch hain ahee mulq mey lekin bachey 10 honey chahiyeh.

Its not about them being worried, it's about promoting consumerism through the contraceptive industry.

@Spock

Sorry but I dont consider abortion as birth control. Even the emergency morning after pill isnt considered birth control but EMERGENCY birth control, emergency being the key word. Abortions arent used in every day life for birth control, I hope you understad that.

It doesn't matter if you don't consider abortion as a solution of birth control, the fact is it is part of birth controling methods and people are using it everywhere, just do an undercover research on private gynea clinics in any part of Pakistan and you'll get amazing findings about the numbers of women who use this method.

@Spock

I dont consider contraception an evil at all, because abstinence only morals dont work generally, especially after a couples married. Again, abortion isnt birth control. Pills work just fine, along with patches. There are side effects but with medical advances they'll go away. You did not even talk about vasectomy etc. What do you mean by latex? If you are talking about condoms, that is a must because of STDs being on the rise, and please do not tell me there is no promiscuity in developing countries. Also, what do you mean by 'they suck'?

I'm not talking about the morals here, I'm talking about the side effects that come with birth control solutions.

1) Abortions, sterlizations and vesctomies are done by doctors and hospitals.

2) Pills, IUD, foams and injectables come under the drug industry.

3) And then rubber and latex companies which produce condoms and diaphragms.

There can be better [better as in side effects free and without reducing the pleasure for both partners] contraceptives and solutions for birth control if the corporations try to put more effort in their research but they're no putting more money in research for new methods.....instead they are searching for hormonal methods which cannot be easily discontinued by women such as monthly injections and time release drugs.

On the other hand, contraception or birth control are not modern age concepts, people have been using them in ancient times even Sahaba(ra) used it in Prophet(SAW)'s time and Prophet(SAW) said to his companions that they can use it if they want to but nothing can prevent the soul coming in this world without Allah's will.

I'm not against contraception but by forcing people to use birth control is like forcing them to change their belief.

[Niksik]

Re: Hum do humarey do

Hareem, the pill is still the most widely used contraceptive in the world, despite the side effects.

But like I said, no pill, condom, IUD, shot, etc... will work unless a decision is made on understanding why it is necessary.

[Niksik]

@Gr8Heera

For your and Niki didi soach.

What if parents who are so thoughtful and die in a accident then who raise those kids.

Aap loag na Allah ko kuch naheen samajhtay khud ko samajhtay hain sub kartay hain is liaay so thoughtful buntay hain.

Allah sub kuch karnay wala hai parents naheen. Allah sub ka waseela bana deta hai.

Now Niki didi aap bohat thoughtful hain aur aap kay husband bhi khuda na khuwasta aap aur husband ki death ho jati hai to aap kay buchchon ko kia aap ka thoughtfulness palay ga ya Allah. Please answer this question.

Allah na keray, lekin I think it would be easier for me to go out and work and look after 2 or 3 kids versus 10-12, nahi?

Rizq comes from Allah but so does aqal.

[Spock]

@hareem01

So you are a fortune-teller! At present he’s working and his older children are also working and some of them are married and have their own families.

So where will he get money to feed his 150 kids? The man is a lunatic, please call a spade a spade.

If they don’t wanna use [for whatever reason]it you can’t force them to buy it. And what else you want to do besides the bombardement of advertisements everywhere, do you want Government to use force against the poor people having kids?

For the last time, THIS IS WHAT I SAID:

Studies have shown people in rural areas, with no access to media, aid workers, facilites have absolutely no clue what birth control is. The Government is there for a reason, they need to go out there, send their workers to educate these people. Please stop putting words in my mouth, where did I say the Govt needs to go force them. Its actualy thick headed people who come up with absurd theories like vaccinations being infertility treatments by the Govt.

About the vaccines, even in western countries people have started to show their concerns about it.

Please show proof, and Maulana Fazl-ul-ullah of the Taliban terrorist tehrik Pakistan does not count.

I got pregnant while I was on the pill and suffered few side effects.

Sorry but personal anecdotes dont count here. I would much rather go by facts, you can believe whatever you want.

Here’s t
he list of side effects these pills can cause:

Minor side effects

Headaches
Nausea
Breast tenderness
slight weight gain
slight spotting of blood

Yes, no medication is risk free, even your normal aspirin. I am sure with time they will get better.

serious side effects

DVT
Heart attacks
strokes

(these are rare but still there are the chances)

Some of these are myths, and if not, RARE being the KEY WORD here.

While the pill can reduce the chance of ovary and womb cancer and can increase the chance of cervical and liver cancer.

Oh please, you are not a research analyst nor a doctor, and the only way you can ascertain is that through other people’s research and the factual and credible research does not agree with what you just wrote.

And you say it’s not evil at all that because you don’t have to have the pill. lolz

Pill is evli :rotlf: I am sorry but your whole argument stems from your religious beliefs, just say it instead of calling an immaterial object evil.

There are side effects to all the contraceptives except few but then they reduce the pleasure.

Sometimes things come at a price. Sometimes you have to have the will power to sacrifice a bit of ‘pleasure’.

If you wanna promote, promote natural and harmless ways.

Abstinance amongst married couples? Also, what about unmarried ones, what about STDs, and think beyong religion here, we’re discussing global population control here.

Its not about them being worried, it’s about promoting consumerism through the contraceptive industry.

No its not, plus nothings free, everything comes at a price, and the price you pay for birth control is far far less than the consequences of an unwanted pregnancy.

It doesn’t matter if you don’t consider abortion as a solution of birth control,

It does matter BECAUSE ABORTION IS NOT BIRTH CONTROL. Seriously, do you even know what abortion is?

the fact is it is part of birth controling methods and people are using it everywhere, just do an undercover research on private gynea clinics in any part of Pakistan and you’ll get amazing findings about the numbers of women who use this method.

I dont need to go undercover, I can use my brains to figure out the obvious. Abortion is there to get rid of ‘unwanted pregnancies’, as a last resort, as an emergency!

I’m not talking about the morals here, I’m talking about the side effects that come with birth control solutions.

1. Abortions, sterlizations and vesctomies are done by doctors and hospitals.

2. Pills, IUD, foams and injectables come under the drug industry.

3. And then rubber and latex companies which produce condoms and diaphragms.

So, whats wrong in having ‘industries’ and ‘centers’ doing things?

There can be better [better as in side effects free and without reducing the pleasure for both partners] contraceptives and solutions for birth control if the corporations try to put more effort in their research but they’re no putting more money in research for new methods…instead they are searching for hormonal methods which cannot be easily discontinued by women such as monthly injections and time release drugs.

Sorry but you dont live in a free world, you pay for what you get. Plus the theres always subsidies and aid available.

On the other hand, contraception or birth control are not modern age concepts, people have been using them in ancient times even Sahaba(ra) used it in Prophet(SAW)'s time and Prophet(SAW) said to his companions that they can use it if they want to but nothing can prevent the soul coming in this world without Allah’s will.

Did I say it was a modern thing? If people in the past were using it, it just shows they are smart.

I’m not against contraception but by forcing people to use birth control is like forcing them to change their belief.

No one is forcing anyone. Basically, you are against educating people about b control due to your own religious views.

Seriously, if you make points like abortion is birth control so birth control is bad, then I really have nothing intelligent to discuss here.