Hum do humarey do

hareem01 · February 3, 2009, 4:39pm

Then the government and media needs to change their policy, instead of promoting sabz sitara products and putting up Attiqa odho's posters everywhere they need to tell people that if they are not able to provide a quality life [that doesn't have to be full of luxeries but basic needs] and an Islamic and moral way of life then they should think before planning for a child.

chips6 · February 3, 2009, 4:40pm

hareem01:

About the vaccines, even in western countries people have started to show their concerns about it.

I got pregnant while I was on the pill and suffered few side effects.

Here's the list of side effects these pills can cause:

Minor side effects

Headaches Nausea Breast tenderness slight weight gain slight spotting of blood

serious side effects

DVT Heart attacks strokes

(these are rare but still there are the chances)

While the pill can reduce the chance of ovary and womb cancer and can increase the chance of cervical and liver cancer.

And you say it's not evil at all that because you don't have to have the pill. lolz

There are side effects to all the contraceptives except few but then they reduce the pleasure. If you wanna promote, promote natural and harmless ways.

It doesn't matter if you don't consider abortion as a solution of birth control, the fact is it is part of birth controling methods and people are using it everywhere, just do an undercover research on private gynea clinics in any part of Pakistan and you'll get amazing findings about the numbers of women who use this method.

I'm not talking about the morals here, I'm talking about the side effects that come with birth control solutions.

1) Abortions, sterlizations and vesctomies are done by doctors and hospitals.

2) Pills, IUD, foams and injectables come under the drug industry.

3) And then rubber and latex companies which produce condoms and diaphragms.

There can be better [better as in side effects free and without reducing the pleasure for both partners] contraceptives and solutions for birth control if the corporations try to put more effort in their research but they're no putting more money in research for new methods.....instead they are searching for hormonal methods which cannot be easily discontinued by women such as monthly injections and time release drugs.

On the other hand, contraception or birth control are not modern age concepts, people have been using them in ancient times even Sahaba(ra) used it in Prophet(SAW)'s time and Prophet(SAW) said to his companions that they can use it if they want to but nothing can prevent the soul coming in this world without Allah's will.

I'm not against contraception but by forcing people to use birth control is like forcing them to change their belief.

Abortion is not a method of birth control....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am sorry that the pills did not work for you,but there is enough data to support the fact that it happens to be a very widely used method of contraception....

I am not an advocate for contraceptives and all,but I am just trying to say that some things are not a fact...

lastly,no single medicine is free of side effects....not even the pills we pop for a headache or so...:)

Niksik · February 3, 2009, 4:45pm

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Hareem, exactly, you got my point. We need to change the intensity and direction of the efforts... by we I mean the community, the government and whoever. My original question was that if you were in charge, what would you do? And we ended up having 3 pages of interesting conversations, which is great because we all learn from each other.

hareem01 · February 3, 2009, 5:15pm

BaBa-Gee app ko mubarak hoo

So where will he get money to feed his 150 kids? The man is a lunatic, please call a spade a spade.

For the last time, THIS IS WHAT I SAID:

Studies have shown people in rural areas, with no access to media, aid workers, facilites have absolutely no clue what birth control is. The Government is there for a reason, they need to go out there, send their workers to educate these people. Please stop putting words in my mouth, where did I say the Govt needs to go force them. Its actualy thick headed people who come up with absurd theories like vaccinations being infertility treatments by the Govt.

Please show proof, and Maulana Fazl-ul-ullah of the Taliban terrorist tehrik Pakistan does not count.

Sorry but personal anecdotes dont count here. I would much rather go by facts, you can believe whatever you want.

Yes, no medication is risk free, even your normal aspirin. I am sure with time they will get better.

Some of these are myths, and if not, RARE being the KEY WORD here.

Oh please, you are not a research analyst nor a doctor, and the only way you can ascertain is that through other people’s research and the factual and credible research does not agree with what you just wrote.

Pill is evli :rotlf: I am sorry but your whole argument stems from your religious beliefs, just say it instead of calling an immaterial object evil.

Sometimes things come at a price. Sometimes you have to have the will power to sacrifice a bit of ‘pleasure’.

Abstinance amongst married couples? Also, what about unmarried ones, what about STDs, and think beyong religion here, we’re discussing global population control here.

No its not, plus nothings free, everything comes at a price, and the price you pay for birth control is far far less than the consequences of an unwanted pregnancy.

It does matter BECAUSE ABORTION IS NOT BIRTH CONTROL. Seriously, do you even know what abortion is?

I dont need to go undercover, I can use my brains to figure out the obvious. Abortion is there to get rid of ‘unwanted pregnancies’, as a last resort, as an emergency!

So, whats wrong in having ‘industries’ and ‘centers’ doing things?

Sorry but you dont live in a free world, you pay for what you get. Plus the theres always subsidies and aid available.

Did I say it was a modern thing? If people in the past were using it, it just shows they are smart.

No one is forcing anyone. Basically, you are against educating people about b control due to your own religious views.

Seriously, if you make points like abortion is birth control so birth control is bad, then I really have nothing intelligent to discuss here.

Okay, abortion is not a regular birth control. But even the pill can cause an abortion and that’s been proven according to new research. Btw I never said that the person in the video is very wise and we all should follow him. lol

There are so many books on a connection between vaccination and autism written by western experts, just google it.

My religious beliefs are based on facts and natural instincts, I’m not a blind follower, I read about the benefits as well as the harms of contraceptions.
The side effects being rare does not mean them being a myth, please keep this in mind. I assume you don’t take aispirin everyday so you can’t compare the baby stopping pill with it.

You said the personal anecdotes don’t count here as you follow the opinion of majority, I don’t understand this logic though as there are chances that it can happen to anyone, even to the person who’s most confidentabout it.

Spock · February 3, 2009, 5:20pm

^ Ok hareem, I really dont have time but:

i) Hareem stating she used the pill and not worked = personal anecdote

vs

ii) Every single medical journal, state, fact, doctor saying the effectiveness of the pill is 97-98% or more.

take your pick...

hareem01 · February 3, 2009, 5:23pm

Well, I'm glad it didn't work for me. :)

AnGeL_EyEs · February 3, 2009, 7:07pm

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The way I see it....

it should be quality over quantity.

No point in having X number of kids if you can not teach them how to act as civilized adults. I would much rather have ONE child who is going to contribute to our ummah (or society in general) in a positive way then have 4-5 kids that are going to grow up as criminals or lazy human beings that do nothing for themselves let alone the world.

however, if this man can raise these 100 kids to be law abiding adults who can contribute to society in a profound way (and for the betterment of our world)....then let him have his kids! I'm all for it!

In the end.....it's really up to parent(s) whether or not they can raise em properly and only they know if they can. Who are we to tell someone not to have kids?

queer · February 3, 2009, 7:09pm

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i think kids are annoying. i would fund technology to produce benjamin buttons.

Gr8Heera · February 3, 2009, 11:44pm

Where did I say you got Money plants in your backyard?

You think I'm talking silly but I don't think.

Aren't you muslim so we muslims no we have to give zakat.

If you are shia or belong to kuffar then yes they don't have zakat but I think all religion have madad to needy in their religion.

Everyone says that unjust distribution of money make the ppl to suffer not me.

All non muslim do help needy too. Don't you know that. You call my post silly and you yourself anwering with sillyness.

Can you name a single religion they say no don't help needy.

Gr8Heera · February 3, 2009, 11:47pm

I said Allah na karay both parents ooper sudhar jaain to do buchchon ko kaun palay ga. Aap kay thoughts Ya aap ki aqal?

Gr8Heera · February 3, 2009, 11:50pm

Nikki didi Pill bhi to menhgay hotay hain na aur gaown main dastiaab naheen hotay to kia aap bhijwain gi unko. Lo khao aur hamari pasand kay mutabiq buchchay paida karo.

What if lady get sick fro side effect?

What if after taking pills she get pregnant?

What if she got pregnant and try to abort but couldn't?

Aap logon ki soach Allah kay kamon main hath dalnay wali hai.

queer · February 3, 2009, 11:53pm

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phir se chaa gaye Gr8heera pai je! which pind in punjab are you from?

Gr8Heera · February 3, 2009, 11:53pm

AnGeL_EyEs:

The way I see it....

it should be quality over quantity.

No point in having X number of kids if you can not teach them how to act as civilized adults. I would much rather have ONE child who is going to contribute to our ummah (or society in general) in a positive way then have 4-5 kids that are going to grow up as criminals or lazy human beings that do nothing for themselves let alone the world.

however, if this man can raise these 100 kids to be law abiding adults who can contribute to society in a profound way (and for the betterment of our world)....then let him have his kids! I'm all for it!

In the end.....it's really up to parent(s) whether or not they can raise em properly and only they know if they can. Who are we to tell someone not to have kids?

Hareem kay ilawa sirf aik nay hi ub tuk aqal ki baat ki hai. Masha Allah.

Nikki didi with other cheelay like spoke ko us admi kay sir pay talwar lay kar kharay ho janay kahtay hain khabardaar jo kuch kia apni wife ko. LOL

Gr8Heera · February 3, 2009, 11:55pm

Assi tuhaday pind da banda hain ji.

Sanu nain paihchana. Chamma laga kay waikho.

Spock · February 4, 2009, 12:05am

So did you bother reading what she wrote above that highlighted part? You think me or niksik are implying parents should be forced to put caps on their kids... but then again, your intellectual capacity prohibits you from comprehending things properly so I wont bother.