How to stop suicide bombing in Pak?

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Spock,

The people who send and motivate these suicide bombers are well known. Baitullah Mehsud openly gives press conferences from Miranshah. Sectarian thug leaders are also very well known and in fact live openly in areas like Jhang, Multan etc. If there is will, eliminating these guys is easy. Just see today's drama over Jamia Hafsa. This guy was threatening suicide attacks days before the ISB bomber. How hard is it for govt to find this so called Maulana Abdul Aziz?

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The problem is that Muslim masses can never touch the core issue. You talk of psyco-reasons but want to remain in pre determined religious boundaries.

Do not send your kids to Madrisa for the so-called learning of Quran and in comming years the problem will be solved.

Try some time to find out what a kid’ mind can pick up from a Madrisa for his whole life!

Fraudz…It is true that not all kids who have spent their childhood at a Mdrisa become terrorists…but all terrorists have definitely spent their child age years at a Madrisa. Try to find out the psycho-reasons!

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Anjjan, you are right in identifying that at the moment the Madressahs have played a role in creating suicide bombers, but that doesnt mean that Muslims can or should eradicate madressahs; that's unrealistic to hope for. While Madressahs have been a factor and madresah students are often bombers, it's never all madressahs and all taalibs (students) at madressahs, rather some confused ones at bad madresahs. with that identified, there's little way how a drive against all madressahs could ever be useful in this regard...because madressahs cannot be removed from muslim societies. therefore, whatever solution one may think of, has to work with the condition that eradicating the madressah wont help; thats where one has to think about 'what then?' and other possble ways that may be slow but atleast some use...Besides, if someone were to collect statistics about all sucide bombers of the past 5 yrs all over the world, it'd be clear that not all of them were your typical madressah talibs. We've had many diff types from all over the world, with diff backgrounds.

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first of all not all terrorists have spent their childhood years at madrissa. secondly, if all madrissas were the problem then you would have many more militants than you have, including my cousins who went to madrassas.

proper religious education is important, and ability to provide education to others who would otherwise slip thru the cracks is also important. The realistic solution is regulation of madrassas overall, and also increasing the curriculum for those which serve as the primary source of education for kids, rather than a supplemental religious

We actually had a gentleman from the madrassa come and teach us at home, because due to my other commitmrnts the timings would nto work for me to go to madrassa. I did not learn any hatred from him, he taught us how to properly read the quran, and explained some things to us, he was not a very educated person, but knew the basics that we had questions on, or would teach us things in islamic light like, why not throw trash, or why not fight, or how to behave with elders, he would share stories with a moral with us. Not once did we talk about anything that could be considered prejudiced, militant, clowed minded etc.

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annjan, which madrassah did those 9/11 bombers get their flight training from? From what I hear, you need to goto proper flight schools (and must be rather good to go hit buildings using commercial planes)... Also, some of these terrorists, like that mohammad omer guy are pretty ordinary ppl and have degrees from the finest places like imperial college london, so what ure saying is broad generalization.

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^^ agreed spock. problem is not madrassah, its some idividuals who propogate such ideas on the back of injustice with muslims by world though in wrong direction but it works to toil few minds.

such idividuals operate /work in any shape or forms. a group, sub group or very organised organisation.
a madrassah or mosque becomes a prime hunting ground for them.

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Good point fraudz, basically we ALL in Pakistan at one time are part time students of a madrassah guy (call him a mollah) who usually comes and teaches how to recite the Quran, and from what I remember, he never ever taught us to hate someone, infact some of them were quite jolly fellows, alot of them would help themselves to the fruit and halwa in our dining rooms too ;) So yeah Anjjan, I know in India they teach you that all madrassah folk are the boogeymen, but thats nothing more than a very broad generalization.

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DEADLIEST PAKISTANI TERRORIST "RAMZI YOSAF ' NEVER WENT TO "MADRISSA

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Strong security enforcement on Pak–Afghan border & investiagte more abt the present-afghanis in pak.

Even Afghanis here in USA hate us…all bcaz of B. BUsh …
arghh:aj:

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afghanis r the most ehsaan framosh qaum i have ever seen:chai:…

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yeppp.....i agree

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deport all the extremists (like real deal) and mine the borders use secure checkpoints. Tow birds one stone, reduce population also.

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:CareBear: tsk, tsk little boy.

If you bothered living in my country Pakistan, you would realise opinions like mine are the norm amongst the people of Pakistan.

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Yeah, I remember back in Isl when I was about 8 we had this young, jolly and handsome Maulvi Sahab who used to come teach us Quarn at home during the afternoon, he was a Kashmiri, and was about 19-21 at that time, and also a Muazzin at the nearby mosque and a permanent faculty member of the Madressah concerned with that mosque. He had one of the best Qirats I've ever heard. he even trained me a bit for a qirat i had to do at a school function and his crash course was good! Too bad i didnt learn more from him and have since lost most of the qirat he taught me. He never talked to us about any jihad, freedom struggle, kashmir issues, pakistani politics, BB's rule (she was in power and mullahs didnt like that) etc ever. No extremism at all. Everyhousehold has a connection with a madressah and a maulvi in the madresah profession, Most of them are like my maulvi sahab, some are like the bombers. I do though hope parents these days pay extra attn to what kind of maulvis teach their kids. because unfortunately its always the evil majority that gives the moderate and sober minority a bad name...

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I am not saying anything against Madrisas for elders.

I am talking only against sending Muslim kids....I mean minors, to Madrisa.

No one is ready to tell me what a kid' mind can pick up from a Madrisa after a so-called learning of Quran???

It is a matter of psychology.
Does the kid really understand Quran??? Or his mind picks up the easy verses narrated against paganas, kafirs etc??? Is not it very easy to mould this raw material against un-beleivers at a later stage???

PS I have met many progressive Hindus and even communists, athiests who have nothing to do with the religion, but when they come accross the low casts.....they have some different feelings in deep counscious for a single reason that their mind is prepared against the low casts at the child age.

Haris bhai, Fraudz Please do not give us some examples related to some individuals!

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Opinions like your are not the norm in Pakistan. You support the destruction of Pakistan and the removal of Musharraf (one of the positive aspects of Pakistani government for a while), and most of Pakistan supports Musharraf, and the continued existence and well being of Pakistan.

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blah,blah, how would you know what’s the norm in Pakistan?

I have already done more for my country than you ever will.If speaking against govt corruption and misdeed’s makes you jump up and down, I don’t care

Enjoy living in your dream world little boy:rotfl:

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Most Pakistanis oppose Musharraf. Let him contest an election without unifrom and u'll know how popular he is.

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Many Pakistanis supported Musharraf when he took over. However, he is no longer popular and that is reflected in Musharraf's attempts to rig the elections and his usage of shady tactics to get himself reelected. Musharraf has not been a disaster but he has singularly failed in reducing corruption among other things.

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okay…

I too am talking about muslim kids..minors in madrassa, or minors being instructed by the same people who teach in the madrassa.

my brother was 8 when he was instructed by the maulvi shab. I think an 8 year old is a kid, Haris said the same. My other cousins were younger, as young as 3 or 4. One cousin actually is a hafiz and started memorizing quran in childood. he is also now a student in computer sciences and he is deeply religious, intelligent, peaceful and career minded person.

I told you what I learnt as a kid, i told you what my brothers learnt as kids, or my cousins learnt as kids.

And I told you what we were taught. manners, respect, rights of others, our duty to elders, neighbours, teachers. etc etc.

you learn to read the quran properly, figure out the zaer zabar pesh etc.

again, if you bothered to read what I posted. None of us kids in the madrassa or kids being taught by masrassa instructors in our house were taught anything that was hateful. That simply is the case with the overwhelming majority of madrissas.
I am among the first people to say that there are madrissas that were created to provide war fodder for the afghan-soviet war by the alliance between Saudis americans and Pakistanis, those institutes are an issue, and institutes like those should be closed down, no doubt about it.

But when someone shows uo with zero knowledge of madrissas and offered a half baked solution to close all madrissas and bada binf bada boom suicide attacks are solved, that is just ridiculous and makes no sense.

sorry? so examples of some individuals can be used when they are supposedly eduated at a madrisssa and then they commit some crime? but some examples related to some individuals can not be used when it comes to show that madrissas at large are really not an issue.

as I said before if masrissas were a problem, there would be millions of suicide bombers including myself, but is that the case? Not at all