Sadly this menace has made its way here and is getting worse day by day. Its an act of desperation but neverthless we have to pay with our dearest blood, i.e. innocent civilians, security guards, law enforcers.
It must be a real challenge for the Government of Pakistan to nip the evil in the bud. I think they should issue some sort of public statement that any suicide bomber who is identified, his family’s life would be made a living hell. I am saying this because I believe the only reason these people are so adamant about killing themselves is because those that brainwash them, they probably offered a fortune to their families, so in essence, they are doing it for their families. Ofcourse, this is just a concocted theory that I just came up with, but lets see anymore suggestions on how to end this menace or keep it at a strict check.
I have an issue with innocents being punished for the crimes of someone else. it is a human righst issue. I did not accept it when Israel did it to palestinian suicde bombers families and I would hate to see that happen in Pakistan. If they condoned it, encourgaed it, did nt report it, then yes they are party to teh act and they should be dealt with.
I dunno, how do u stop a person who does not care for his life and just wants to tae as many as he can with him.
only way is to turn off the supply line of such idiots. how, i dont really know. if it were that easy it would have been done by US by now in Iraq, or Pakistan by now to stop attacks that take place in Pakistan and have been taking place for decades, or Israel for the bombings there.
some sweet spot of education/law enforcement/intelligence/incentives for ppl to turn such ppl in etc ma work
Fraudz.....there is way. Let Muslims not send their kids to Madrisa.
Can we discuss what a kid' mind picks up from a Madrisa? (I am not talikng about Madrisa for elders). I think a (kid)' Madrisa produces raw material. Not all of them, when grown up, joins militancy. Though the majority of suicide bombers & terrorists have spend their childhood somewhere at a Madrisa. Its a fact.
So, I ask again. What do you think a kid' mind can pick up at a Madrisa. I do not think that a kid understands Quran. But something very easily entres into his deep councious against un-beleivers.
Confronting terrorism and extremism in all parts of the world is the way. The acts of terrorism whether in Pakistan or India or anywhere else, must be condemned with equal intensity...calling acts of violence as a "freedom struggle" at one place and "terrorism" at another place only backfires.
Can we discuss what a kid' mind picks up from a Madrisa? (I am not talikng about Madrisa for elders). I think a (kid)' Madrisa produces raw material. Not all of them, when grown up, joins militancy. Though the majority of suicide bombers & terrorists have spend their childhood somewhere at a Madrisa. Its a fact.
**Wrong Mr anjjan, true to you Nick, ** **Think about it. It is all about Gods and Men When a Mythical God commits suicide so as to save all of Mankind from Hellfire, then this can influence humans to follow in the footsteps of God to save their people from Tyranny and opression...:( **
Unfortunately I think this cant be stopped, maybe it cant even be controlled, there could be a hundred diff types of suicide attackers all killing and getting killed for diff goals, from religion to politics, economic issues to domestic affairs, in protest or out of simple unreturned love, hate etc. The phenomenon of suicide attacks, which perhaps had always exsited is becoming popular culture now. People consider it as a power now, it's a big tool in everybody's hands and they can use it anywhere for anything if theyre passionate enough about it...maybe its entirely a psychological issue and authorities should focus more on trying to shun and discourage suicid-attacker tendencies rather than particualar forms of extremist-destructive ideologies such as those followed by Taleban or AlQaeda. But could there really be a way to convince the masses and influence the suicide pop culture to reject suicide bombing, discourage potential suicide attackers, make them believe that its really not worth it...unfortunaely even the biggest method (religion) to convince ppl that suicide and murder are evil, is being misused to mislead the naive masses...God knows what's in the making...
Maybe the govt should form a commission to study this and propose ways to try to control or discourage this...? Otherwise, this phenomenon is a monster growing fast beyond control...
Haris Bhai there is a clear cut solution, Pride and arrogance can lead us all into the pits of HELL. It is a classic struggle between the have's and have not's Time and again when Nations have this attitude of us better than them, and a holier than thou attitude, calling each other Evil, then justifying evil acts in the name of God. Once we realize we are all equal and deserve each others respect.
People don't do this for kicks...why nobody is mentioning the military action in the north is beyond me...it's clearly the reason why these attacks are occurring.
I can't comment on the pak actions; all I know is that many innocents died because of it, yet I feel this territory MUST be brought under the control of the central government.
I have no idea how far the pak military is interested in this...I hope and pray that the only reason for action in the North wasn't the pushing of a foreign government. If so, then provoking the northerners is NOT worth it.
starting point should surely be the end of cruelty and injustice by the government..whether its the military action against the people, so-called taliban, or people just going missing...
Prior to proceeds further in this case first you need to find out ‘who is promoting suicide culture in Pakistan’ first complete the homework and the start the debate.
Can we discuss what a kid' mind picks up from a Madrisa? (I am not talikng about Madrisa for elders). I think a (kid)' Madrisa produces raw material. Not all of them, when grown up, joins militancy. Though the majority of suicide bombers & terrorists have spend their childhood somewhere at a Madrisa. Its a fact.
So, I ask again. What do you think a kid' mind can pick up at a Madrisa. I do not think that a kid understands Quran. But something very easily entres into his deep councious against un-beleivers.
You are right sir. Molvies are selling Janat for very cheap. It is one of the fatwa I heard from my own ears ‘kill one shia’ and go to Janat.
I can't comment on the pak actions; all I know is that many innocents died because of it, yet I feel this territory MUST be brought under the control of the central government.
I have no idea how far the pak military is interested in this...I hope and pray that the only reason for action in the North wasn't the pushing of a foreign government. If so, then provoking the northerners is NOT worth it.
Suicide attacks happened before Northern Wazirstan operation.
Attack on imam bargah Ali Raza (Karachi)
Attack on Haideri Masjid (Karachi)
Attack on a Masjid (Muhallah e Shia Mochi gate Lahore)
Attack on a Masjid in Sialkot
all above incidents were happened b4 Northern Waziristan operation.
starting point should surely be the end of cruelty and injustice by the government..whether its the military action against the people, so-called taliban, or people just going missing...
Your opposition of the Government is indeed apalling. Just like the other thread, you are basically preferring a crime ridden Pakistan, where badmashi prevails, and the Government has no control.
2-Suicide bombers show one thing--- our law enforcers are doing a better job now then 10 years ago. Back then terrorists were able to get away after throwing bombs on the mosques or after opening fire on "namazis". And now they have to kill them self in order to penetrate in the security.
3-Good and bad things about media----- truth is also their but in flood of information, some times we are not able to see it.
For example Musharaf and Benazir have been crying to moderate Muslims to take control.
Like Muslims(who have their eyes open) should be more active and do things.
ON a separate note:: I HATE BOTH MUSHARAF AND BENAZIR
4- Last solution is if suicide bomber still wont stop--- I suggest we send them to India.
j/k
I think best thing is to take its rootsoff the ground, by providing decent education to them, round up all un educated moulvis who preach cheap jannat as some one said. leave no room for such fundos to toil innocent minds into such maniacs without thinking.
tighten up more security and take active steps ahead then these idiots. no one can stop suicide bomber, certainly forces are able to stop them and fail them doing more lethel actions recently.
cut the taliban and afghan links that brought us only worst everyday.
blowing bombs in isb will not benefit anyone living in FATA or a sect in the country.
one thing and only who gets the benefits, is only enemies of Pakistan. it can only be Alqaida, Taliban, Fundo secterian moulvis or our beloved suger coated friend India.
Best way is to engage people on the ground where it is needed and outclass these cheap jannat moulvis who dont know where they are going. deal harsh with people who really deserve it and deal in a way that they dont feel alienated and turn against Pakistan.
engage people on the ground,
provide them decent education and employment.
bring FATA and other areas in proper control under NWFP or new province
give more power to local people by providing them local elections and assemblies instead of ruling though political agents etc. who want to save their jobs only.
Anjaan, how many years have you been here, and how many times have we talked about madrassas.
All madrassas are not an issue. There are a minority. The sane approach would be to regulate and monitor madrisas so they do nto become factories for militants.
How many people do you personally know who either had their education at a madrissa, or went to madrissa for religious education?
majority of the kids in my family went to a madrissa for religious education, and last I checked none of them were either part of a militant group, or had militant tendencies. They are all well settled professionals, or good students in professional programs.
Now you will say yeah but its afluent families, who dont deoend on soely the madrissa education. so lets answer part 1. Not all members of my family who went to madrisas for relgious education were from afluent backrounds, a number lived in very modest neighbbourhoods.
and while no one in my family has relied on amdrissa as the sole source of his education, in our dealings with the community in Pakistan, we know a number of people who were only educated at a madrissa, and again, none of these guys were militant, or crude. They were conservative, observant muslims for the most part and had bears, wore traditional clothing etc etc, but good people to talk to. A number of them were i tableeghi jamaat. A group that I am not too fond of due to how they go about talkin to people, but the people were polite, sincere, sensible, and non judgemental (except for one bad apple)
I am all for regulating madrissas, they need to be regulated and they need to have more breadth to their curriculum, wether it is social scinces, math and languages or its vocational technical training.
But saying not sending all kids to madrisa is going to solve the problem is pretty short sighted. not only would it take the opportunity of education and/or religious education from many who benefit from those facilities, but it is also not going to solve the issue.
It's quite unfortunate, i remember warning of the mess that the Waziristan operation and the similarity with the mess Bush was creating in Iraq a few years back.
I fear the groups involved now feel emboldened by the collapse of the governments writ in many areas and it's flip flopping as was done recently even in Islamabad when confronted by these groups and the fact that the goverments increasing irrelevace to the people is creating a fertile ground for these nut heads.
I am expecting these groups to start popping up in the seraiki belt soon enough if the trend continues. The major urban centres are anywaywell infiltrated as the Islamabad strikes show.