Re: ~! How to have a happy marriage.
People can't guide, God can. Go Pray to Him.
forget this quest.
Many muslims are selfish and arrogant, to enlighten another soul is that of a burden to them.
Re: ~! How to have a happy marriage.
Angel Eyes, while you may see it that way, not everyone does. God's given us all a brain and we're all entitled to use it.
As I said before, I'm done with this discussion.
You guys carry on obeying :)
and misguided, if you want to be knowledgable, go read. . . there's plenty of material out there. You obviously know how to use a computer, google up islam and whatever other stuff you are confused about and i'm sure you will find it. I still maintain however that if you want to be guided, ask God for help.
Re: ~! How to have a happy marriage.
As I said before, I'm done with this discussion.
You guys carry on obeying :)
and misguided, if you want to be knowledgable, go read. . . there's plenty of material out there. If you want to be guided, ask God for help.
Fool. Go away
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Only people can educate each other. Praying isn't enuff to enlighten a Muslim, knowledge and the research of Islam is necessary to understand and truely believe from heart to follow. You don't just tell someone in need of help to 'go and pray' but you try to relieve their stress/frustration/problems and provide a solution/feed their query to bring them closer to Allah Tallah and to use have Islam close to Heart with each step/task they choose to take.. May god bless you.
misguided i agree with what you said completely.....
keep in mind...not everyone on here is a scholar...in fact some are misguided themselves. So it's best to ask people that are more knowledgeable.
The answer to your question is quite a lengthy one and cant be answered in one post on some forum. I do however suggest that you read some books about "rights of wife over husband and husband over wife". There you will find the answer you are looking for. :)
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in other words you are denying what is clearly written in the Quran. :)
And inshAllah..yes... I WILL carry on obeying.
As I said before, I'm done with this discussion.
You guys carry on obeying :)
and misguided, if you want to be knowledgable, go read. . . there's plenty of material out there. You obviously know how to use a computer, google up islam and whatever other stuff you are confused about and i'm sure you will find it. I still maintain however that if you want to be guided, ask God for help.
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Only God can decide if i'm denying Angel Eyes, not you :)
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You're right. You're so not worth my time.
Re: ~! How to have a happy marriage.
keep in mind...not everyone on here is a scholar...in fact some are misguided themselves. So it's best to ask people that are more knowledgeable.
The answer to your question is quite a lengthy one and cant be answered in one post on some forum. I do however suggest that you read some books about "rights of wife over husband and husband over wife". There you will find the answer you are looking for. :)
Thankyou, at last someone has restored my faith. Thankyou for taking out a few minutes of your time and reccomending me at the very least something to go and read up on. :) Your curtousy was appreciated.
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You are most welcome...
pm me if you need anything else or would like to ask me anything...i will try to help as much as i can. :)
Re: ~! How to have a happy marriage.
u r so naive :halo: …
Re: ~! How to have a happy marriage.
meri taraf sai app ko:Salute: …
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and you’re not very bright are you? ? ?
Re: ~! How to have a happy marriage.
Surah 4 (An- Nisa) verse 34.
for those of you who have a problem with the word "obedience" i suggest you read the Quran and get a better understanding of the word and the reason behind it.
Angeleyes, I suggest you stick to the topic and while at it, go read the Quran so that you can "better understand" the word (and more) in a way that helps you to be more obedient to your husband and I'll do the same in a way that helps me to be more obedient to my wifey. Deal?
And Crescent,I suggest you apologize for insisting upon Bukhari and being casual about it. There's a difference in the degree of authenticity. And just as I suspected, 'obedience" was indeed an afterthought by god knows who.
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the topic was derailed a long time ago when u asked if anyone else had a problem with the word "obedient" :)
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[quote=geek]
Angeleyes, I suggest you stick to the topic and while at it, go read the Quran so that you can "better understand" the word (and more) in a way that helps you to be more obedient to your husband and I'll do the same in a way that helps me to be more obedient to my wifey. Deal?
And Crescent,I suggest you apologize for insisting upon Bukhari and being casual about it. There's a difference in the degree of authenticity. And just as I suspected, 'obedience" was indeed an afterthought by god knows who./quote]
why argue about that when it's clearly written in the Quran...surely thats not an "afterthought"
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Not really :) We were talking about a specific hadith quoted in the first post, before you decided to jump in and show us the light regarding the word "obedient' which shouldn't have been there (which was the whole point) in the first place :)
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^What kind of lazy idiot comes here and asks for guidance from a random stranger off some website and then starts crying when he can't get any? Which part of the following quote did you not get? Go find a real hobby kid. Attention seeking freaks.
and misguided, if you want to be knowledgable, go read. . . there's plenty of material out there. You obviously know how to use a computer, google up islam and whatever other stuff you are confused about and i'm sure you will find it. I still maintain however that if you want to be guided, ask God for help.
And anybody who doesn't see the wisdom behind " People can't guide, God can" should probably think twice before lecturing others on better understanding the Quran.
Anyway this thread is now where it belongs. Happy "my knowledge of Islam is better than yours" day!
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Hahaha, I knew as soon as those hadith were posted, some mod muslims would grace our presence and play the lets pick and choose our religion game. So predictable. 
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*Angel Eyes, thanks for your references :) Everything you said was right. *
For Geek, and SolarOceans...I'm sorry.
You shouldn't be obedient to your husband, I was so wrong to say that.
Don't expect them to treat you the same way...and then come on forums to talk about how men are pigs.
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For Geek, and SolarOceans...I'm sorry.
You shouldn't be obedient to your husband, I was so wrong to say that. Don't expect them to treat you the same way...and then come on forums to talk about how men are pigs.
Crescent, first of all, Geek is a guy so I don't think he'd want to marry a husband so I don't know what you mean by that. Second of all, my husband would flip out if I suddenly started obeying him. MashaAllah, he is an amazing guy and we are really good together and I can't thank God enough for that. Part of the reason we work so well together is because we can challenge and stimulate each other. We also both listen to each other. So please don't worry about me coming here complaining how i'm not treated right by him. InshaAllah, our marriage will always be blessed.
I'm going to attempt to explain this once at the insistence of a friend. After this, i'm done with this thread and you guys can carry on.
The Quran describes the marital relationships as one of "garments of each other". To me, this implies a complementary relationship, not one based on authority. Furthermore, the Quran also emphasizes love and mercy between spouses. Again, I don't see how obedience plays into that.
As for the verse in questions "Good women are obedient and guard in (their husband's) absense what God would have them guard. . . " . Well one can see that obedience as belonging to the husband if one so desires. Personally, I think that God is specifically referring to obedience towards him. Notice that the verse doesn't say Good women are obedient and guard in (thier husband's) absense what their HUSBAND would have them guard. On the contrary, it says Good women are those that guard what GOD wants them to guard. This, to me, clearly shows that it is GOD who is to be obeyed. It goes onto say "If they obey you. . . " Again, this verse is directly related to the one i quoted above. If they obey you, to me, seems as if God is saying if they obey you in guarding what GOD wants them to guard. . ."
Furthermore, although we should always strive to follow all of God's commands, I do think that this verse in particular is specifically referring to the fact that women should make sure that they guard what GOD wants them to guard.
I really don't see how so many of you believe that this verse refers to obedience to a husband. To me, it is quite clear that it refers to obedience to God. Islam is a monotheistic religion to its core. . . i dont see how obedience to husbands would fit in.