Re: ~! How to have a happy marriage.
Solar, really..stop wasting your breath on people who want to take everyting literally. I mean really, brain is just another organ to them.
Re: ~! How to have a happy marriage.
SolarOceans,
Please read the following numbered responses from me carefully.
**1. **We are not saying you have to be a slave of your husband, the hadith also does not imply that. It seems from the Hadith you've taken a defensive approach to save yourself from the "slave" and "leash" type concept...thats not what the hadith implies. Instead, it states that Wives should be coolnes to the husband's eyes. You do that by being obedient to him
Why are we so obedient in school to our teachers?
So obedient to our parents?
The concept is similar in Islam...and MashAllah it seems like you are, to your husband.
**2. **When Hadiths and Quran come into question, or are presented as proofs, its good to do a background check as into why a poster is posting them.
Scholars have spent their lives on this material, and they know better than us. How do we know what the the hadith REALLY says, and in which context it came, and the concept it tries to explain. They know best.
We can't say "I think this is what it implies" or " I think this is what it is". No, we simply cannot.
Thats like going in front of a Doctor, having no MBBS background, and saying "You're wrong, I'm right. I know more doctor stuff than you.."
I hope you get what I'm trying to say.
So if a scholar has said, not just one btw, many have already explained this hadith....Then, there is no point in arguing about it. Obedience means Obedience.
**3. **Since this is a hadith, it must have come from the Prophet pbuh. If that is true, then when you abide by it, you're Obeying God, and being obedient to him.
So when you follow this hadith, and be obedient to your husband (remember its not the slave obedience...its the Wife obedience) then, you are being obedient to God.
**4. **Lastly, like Angel Eyes said, we can't speculate on our own, You have to look at the context in which the hadith came, and the ayahs as well.
May you always have a blessed married life. :)
Allah have mercy on us all.
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Creasent what u are comparing the husband wife relationship to ...is totally ridiculous
Its like a whole different relationship you cant compare teacher student, parents child to husband wife. He LISTENS to her and she LISTENS to him. There is more respect involved than obedience. If he told her to do something non-islamic and she said no to it. Ofcourse she wont be very obedient to her husband but she will be obidient to god if she said no to that. So God comes before anyone and anything else.
You are comparing apples to oranges!
Re: ~! How to have a happy marriage.
Please read the following numbered responses from me carefully.
**1. **We are not saying you have to be a slave of your husband, the hadith also does not imply that. It seems from the Hadith you've taken a defensive approach to save yourself from the "slave" and "leash" type concept...thats not what the hadith implies. Instead, it states that Wives should be coolnes to the husband's eyes. You do that by being obedient to him
Why are we so obedient in school to our teachers? So obedient to our parents?
The concept is similar in Islam...and MashAllah it seems like you are, to your husband.
**2. **When Hadiths and Quran come into question, or are presented as proofs, its good to do a background check as into why a poster is posting them.
Scholars have spent their lives on this material, and they know better than us. How do we know what the the hadith REALLY says, and in which context it came, and the concept it tries to explain. They know best.
We can't say "I think this is what it implies" or " I think this is what it is". No, we simply cannot.
Thats like going in front of a Doctor, having no MBBS background, and saying "You're wrong, I'm right. I know more doctor stuff than you.." I hope you get what I'm trying to say.
So if a scholar has said, not just one btw, many have already explained this hadith....Then, there is no point in arguing about it. Obedience means Obedience.
**3. **Since this is a hadith, it must have come from the Prophet pbuh. If that is true, then when you abide by it, you're Obeying God, and being obedient to him.
So when you follow this hadith, and be obedient to your husband (remember its not the slave obedience...its the Wife obedience) then, you are being obedient to God.
**4. **Lastly, like Angel Eyes said, we can't speculate on our own, You have to look at the context in which the hadith came, and the ayahs as well.
May you always have a blessed married life. :)
Allah have mercy on us all.
last time i checked, when a teacher tried to establish husband-wife relations with a student, he was sent to jail.
You mean the kind of background check you did where you couldnt even post the accurate source?
It's a weak hadith, but hey feel free to use this line
"So when you follow this hadith, and be obedient to your husband then, you are being obedient to God," on your wife.Just cuz you have a complex about your own brain's functionality, don't assume the same about us. We know how to appreciate Allah(swt) gift that is called common sense.
May Allah(swt) protect all wives from brainwashing attempts. May He have mercy on us all Ameen.
Allah Hafiz :)
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There was no need to get defensive...
There was no student teacher relationship mentioned, it was an example of obedience...but I guess my brain is not common sensed enough.
I atleast accept my wrong, and do realize its from Abu Dawood.
Its a weak hadith? When where and how? Is the Quran weak too?
I could give numerous examples, where I would like to see common sense at work.
If with common sense, we were able to understand the Quran to the point, we wouldn't need the Prophet pbuh Nouzubillah.
May Allah provide us more with knowledge...than what our desires guide us to reject, and accept.
Ameen.
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Many scholars have agreed that the term "obedience" within the context of these verses are in regards the the Husband. Surely you arent as knowledgeable as these scholars?
Crescent you are absolutely right....we listen to our doctors, our teachers in school/uni......so why shouldnt we listen to these scholars? ohhh wait...their MEN thats why!!
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The Quran is accepted as the word of Allah SWT and protected by Him. Hadith is the work of man, and though lots of hardwork has gone into keeping them as genuine as possible, there are still subject to human fallibility. To equate God’s words with the word of man is running awfully close to shirk.
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with that logic.....then we shouldnt follow the sunnah at all because we would be questioning everything.
Allah (SWT) has commanded us in the Quran to follow the steps of the Prophet (SAW)...how else do we do that if we dont follow the sunnah?...the only way to follow the sunnah is by reading the hadiths. The people that have compiled the sayings of the Prophet (SAW) are respectable and trusthworthy people.
If you look at it with your logic....then the Quran has been translated for us by mere humans as well....should we go on and quesition the authenticity of the translations as well? surely you dont know Quranic arabic and you must rely on these translations to understand it?
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And anybody who doesn't see the wisdom behind " People can't guide, God can" should probably think twice before lecturing others on better understanding the Quran.
Anyway this thread is now where it belongs. Happy "my knowledge of Islam is better than yours" day!
One has to know another before attemtping to jump onto such absent conclusions.
I am very self assured to need attention from the very backward minded residue of these forums. I am still to decide who are the worthy kinds to come and be the centre of my attention spot.
This being a forum full of Muslims should not be hard for anyone to figure out of being a place to ask for advice/guidance in regards to Islam. To share knnowledge is to learn.
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Let me tell you something.
You weren't there when the Quran was revealed, were you? So (naouzubillah) how can you be so sure its the word of God?
I know how, through the Prophet pbuh, and through hadiths.
The only reason you believe Quran to be the word of God is through Hadiths, so how could you reject Hadith?
Also, look at the hadiths, they only reflect the Quran, and its teachings. Its like the Quran is the Sun, and Hadiths are its rays.
They show us it exists, they show us different aspects of the sun.
Just like the rays of the sun can tell a scientist whats going on on the surface of the sun, the hadiths tell us what the Quran is all about.
And Those people, through which hadiths have been recorded...does Allah not keep his knowledge safe? and with those he trusts?
Re: ~! How to have a happy marriage.
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Re: ~! How to have a happy marriage.
You weren't there when the Quran was revealed, were you? So (naouzubillah) how can you be so sure its the word of God?
I know how, through the Prophet pbuh, and through hadiths.
The only reason you believe Quran to be the word of God is through Hadiths, so how could you reject Hadith?
Also, look at the hadiths, they only reflect the Quran, and its teachings. Its like the Quran is the Sun, and Hadiths are its rays.
They show us it exists, they show us different aspects of the sun.
Just like the rays of the sun can tell a scientist whats going on on the surface of the sun, the hadiths tell us what the Quran is all about.
And Those people, through which hadiths have been recorded...does Allah not keep his knowledge safe? and with those he trusts?
That's ownage right there.
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You should always do thorough research. Accepting blindly what another person tells you is not a healthy way to practice religion. I’m not saying you shouldn’t follow the Sunnah or Hadith. What I’m saying is that you cannot and should equate them with the Qur’an. Unfortunately we are not as lucky as the Prophet’s (SAW) companions, we do not have him here to explain everything to us, so we cannot know for sure. But we can do our best through study to understand the materials and resources we do have. If it contradicts the Quran then I don’t think you should follow it. Neither of the Hadith that Crescent originally posted contradict the Quran, so I would have no problem believing in them.
Re: ~! How to have a happy marriage.
you got this wrong brother, the hadith goes like this: Prophet(SAW) said, "If I were to command anyone to prostrate before anyone, I would have commanded the wife to prostrate before her husband (for respect, not to worship), because of the enormity of his right upon her"
Since, he didn't have the right to command people to do this or that because only Allah Subhaanhu Wa Ta'ala had the right to command His Ibadi to perform a certain act. Whatever commands that we get from Prophet(SAW) those were told him by Allah Subhaanhu Wa Ta'ala.
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^ Thank you. Exactly what I meant by people getting defensive before even understanding what the Hadith implies.
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Implications can be understood by many but the conclusions/outcomes may differ.
Thats not being defensive but taking in wrong information.
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^ So whynot leave it to those who know better then us. Fuqhis, who have been taught by great scholars, and have lineage of teachings handed down from one generation to the next.
People should stop "thinking" on their own, sometimes that can be deadly.
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LOLS
thats just great… So people stop thinking on your own!
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People should stop "thinking" on their own, sometimes that can be deadly.
Thank you for the input. However, thinking is not as painful to the rest of us as it is to you.
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When it comes to Islam.
Please stick to the topic.