Re: How to counter indian air superority?
don’t waste ur time with ignorant people!
97?
It is 2005!! 
India is being made a “strategic partner” of US (the same that US said were two-faced cheaters lol :nahnah: ).
Badaam khaana shru kar lo abhi se! 
Jitni jaldi shru karo ge utni jaldi faida hoga!!
Re: How to counter indian air superority?
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It was near cancellation, not because of what I mentioned in the brackets above, but because of budget problems.
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Oh really?
Then can you explain that why in a tightening budget USAF is now inducting raptor with a higher cost????
It is due to the fact that america needs to move ahead (f15s can't challenge flankers, s-37 and even eurofighter in the future as remember america is always dreaming of an iraq type air war) which wasn't know to US in 97.
Re: How to counter indian air superority?
Yes, really. Dumbass. Budget problems were solved, and now they are inducting it. The original number chosen was 800+, which has come down to around 300-400.
Re: How to counter indian air superority?
Obviously you are having troubles understanding English.
So, why don’t you show us how India plans to induct 90+ Su-30s in 5-6years? If you say that the rate of production, in India, “might be” faster, then please enlighten us with the real figures, through a link.
& please don’t speak of this “strategic partner” crap 
Where was this “strategic partnership” when America declared Pakistan a Major Non-Nato Ally, and did not declare India as one? Where was this “strategic partnership” when America refused to use airbases in India, offered by India, and instead chose Pakistan’s? …strategic partners my ASS
Re: How to counter indian air superority?
rightly said. i will stop now
Re: How to counter indian air superority?
Dear All,
Dont you think this forum or anyother forums like PDF are just fullfilling India’s need rather Pakistanis one.
India is increasing we have to increase !!!
India is increasing planes we have to do !!!
India is increasing Navy budget we have to increase!!!
And so on…
India would spend 93Bil $ in next 5-7 years in new defence procurements as decided in 1999 defence report (Brig Chaddha report ) that India would need to spend 110 bil in next 10 years in geting new Toys(Arms). 
Lage raho
In my view all this competion is just destroying pakistan future economy and social development.My sincere advice to Pakistan common man please do not get into trap laid by Indian politician and pakistani defence personal by creating so called threat by India. It is helping both of them financialy,politicaly and socialy.
Abhi
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I think, PAkistan spend any money on buying planes. Pakistan's nuclear capability is good enough deterent against coward Indians.
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You might be the sanest person here! lol
And cheetah, instead of turning it into another kid club pakistani defence forum, i think we should stop!
I agree it is crap to talk about this stuff. You don’t even know what it is about do you?
They have US scenarios in how to invade Pakistan if things don’t go as US planned?
And what non-nato ally has brought to Pakistan?
NOTHING!
Stop living in this dream as sooner or later US will dump Pakistan and the stupid leadership (if it is not evident to them already) will have to go to China-Russia axis!
It is already happening mind you like it or not!
Re: How to counter indian air superority?
You cant fight the Indians with traditional force. They outnumber Pakistan by 10:1. The very idea is ludicrous. Our defence lies in ballistic missles and the threat of nuclear destruction.
God know if any country on this earth would use nuclear weapons it would be Pakistan, that should be enough to deter the Indians
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Pakistan needs to be like Israel:
A wolf in a sheep’s skin
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Ok. First of all, RETARD, Pakistan is not increasing its fleet, but rather decreasing its fleet by phasing out MORE of the older planes and inducting a LOWER number of NEW aircrafts. Its called modernizing the air force. Dumbass. Obviously you are too retarted to understand this. U must be from BR.
Secondly, Pakistan is not competing with India, hence the term used “minimum deterence”. Quantity doesn’t win battles, its quality which counts, and the whole world knows India’s reputation from its famed* flying coffins *** and the poorly trained pilots who crash one plane every month. Didn’t you hear about the Indian pilot who crashed a Mirage, this January,at the airshow in front of the world
Thirdly, this threat is obviously quite real and visible. What is the point of buying 316 brand new aircrafts when everything is so peaceful? Its common sense - India wants to start trouble again.
You can spend however many billions you want on weapons. Its ok. At the end of the day, you will still be crashing planes every month, and making failed products such as the LCA & Arjun
& please do not talk about economy. India’s GDP/Capita is still lower than Pakistan’s. I think you are forgetting that 25% of the world’s poor live in India… or maybe you just don’t care about them. Why don’t you help them?
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Ohh.. and how would you know this? I think your just saying this because USA chose Pakistan over India. & yes, that MNNA status has brought us many things - MLUs on F-16 are free; Block 50/52 F-16s at a VERY cheap price; tons of other equipment at cheap prices; $3billion military aid (no loans); economic aid (no loans); and load of other stuff.
The only one who should stop living a dream is you. You can dream all day long of America dumping Pakistan, and coming over to India which has nothing to offer You are just jealous that both China & America are siding with Pakistan, hence you have wetdream all day long of such stupid things.
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Bhai sahb, u need to read more about defence, military strategy, political strategy, and weapons.
Not to be rude, but your comments aren’t very accurate. Here, I’ll give u an example - Babur is a cruise missile, not a ballistic missile, and it is capable of carrying Nukes.
& one more thing, Nukes have already been used twice by USA, against Japan.
Re: How to counter indian air superority?
Dear Lahorei Cat,
Could you give me a link about the Mirage crash that you have mentioned in your creep.In january that is not an mirage crash please see and then say anything.
Secondaly please do not say any thing about Pakistan economy dear.Please see IMF ,world bank or CIA latest figures to see your per capita income and do not talk about 1980 records when we were down slightly but now around 1.5 times more.
See Wikipedia,CIA fact book or Absoluteconomy for latest 2005 figures and one more thing all the international agencies are saying you are not more then 90billion at present but your goverment saying you are around $104bil . first try to standardise your financial systems and comes out with Quarter to Quarter results like All world(Including India) then you can say what is real figures.
Why you allways talk about poor?!!! please see your own records in any reputated international forum and you can easily track that percentage wige there are more poor in pakistan.
See CIA fact book , Wikipedia for IMF and World bank records.)
At least we are working on this and number of poor percentage wise have gown down from 35% to 23% in last 20 years but figures are increased in Pakistan.Shame on you.
You are really duffer as mentioned by someone earler in this forum.
Latest economy figure released by IMF and worlbank can be seen at: -
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclope…_(nominal)2.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Asian_countries_by_GDP
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2001rank.html
http://www.imf.org/external/country/PAK/
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Please read all this then compare and if you do not know anything about your owncountry records please do not say a word.
Now last about Plane crashes .Yes we have loose lots of plane but pakistan is not far behind and have loose more then 210 jets in last 25 years even F-16.
See:
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_mishaps_airforce-PAF.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/pakistan/2005/pakistan-050302-irna01.htm
http://www.warbirdsofindia.com/Crashes/
Abhi
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Yes, I can find you the link.
The latest economy figures of India, lay in the Indian Economic Survery of 2004, and the latest figures for Pakistan, lay in the Economic Survey of Pakistan - 2004. End of discussion.
Re: How to counter indian air superority?
Dear Lahorie
At last something good comes out from you.:)
One more thing your goverment have not even asked independent agencies to do survey and comes out with their economy figures even Pakistan do not have standardised CMSIE establishedment for Worldbank.In India agencies like Golman Sache,A T Kearney, D & B and Earnest & Young have their own offices and establishments and they also comes out every year with some figures.Please ask your financial minister to allow reputed Consulting firms to do the survey and give some more realistic pictures about pakistan economy to guys like you.and in last Indian economy survey 2004 is based in data collected in 1999-2000 census please read whole report first.Every 10 years Indian govt do some demographic census and most of the time all the final reports comes out 2-3 years later you fool.
Thanks
Abhi:)
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And in last, full scale war would cost tooooooooo...... much for both of us.Just USA have said that Iraq war have cost them more then $350 billion. If Indo-Pak fight for full one month it is impossible for both countries to come out of economic setback for atleast next 2-3 decades.
God help all
Abhi
Re: How to counter indian air superority?
From what I get from your posts, all of this news and topics seem ‘child play’ to you?
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Do pakistan is planning to delay SAAB deal also? How long .......?
In my view it is realy hard for paksitan to finalize F-16 deal in near 1-2 year. What about 2008 or later? If bush loose the election then... ?
Please give some calculative answers.