How to counter indian air superority?

[eagle123]

Re: How to counter indian air superority?

just heard mushy postponed purchasing the f16s from usa, citing earthquake reconstruction a priorty

[klub123]

Re: How to counter indian air superority?

If you allow Pakhtoons, Sindhis & Muhajirs to decide…

@_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

Why don’t you let the Kashmiris decide who to join?

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

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@klub123

If you allow Pakhtoons, Sindhis & Muhajirs to decide…

decide what?

[Blitzkrieg]

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@_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

Yeah ok malhot buddy. Lets just forget about our defence, and give India the chance to invade us any time, and massacre millions more then those who had been affected by the quake.
Good thinking. Dumbass.

Like I’ve said many times before, why don’t u spend billions on the 300 million+ people living under poverty? The world is already laughing at you.

F16s won’t cut it this time with MKIs, Mirage 2000s and MIG-29 Mrca’s (if and when indian gets them as part 126 jet order..) but even mki and mirage - 2k combination can be deadly.

[Blitzkrieg]

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@_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

Yes, u r right. If India didn’t have a defence budget of $12billion+ maybe Pakistan would decrease its defence budget of $3billion.
These decisions will affect Pakistan in the long-run. People who have no knowledge of defence are usually the ones who say things such as “stop spending money on military, and spend on people”. These weapons are what will protect 160million+ Pakistanis, from the arms race which India has started. I don’t want to see the lives of 160million Pakistanis threatened, just to save a few dozen thousand. It just doesn’t equal out. What you’re saying is: Save 50,000 thousand today, and lose 3million tomorrow.

By the time these saste bhund f16s are inducted, India will not only have enough MKIs but might also be inducting Pak-Fa and maybe even JSF (judging by how cozy indo-us are getting).

What you are saying is exactly what Pakistan needs to avoid: arms race!

Btw, any f16 pakistan get (even if ‘claimed’ to be advanced c/d versions) will be toned down as usual and PAF might not even get AMRAAMs this time either!

[Blitzkrieg]

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New proposed changes for JF-17 (FC-1):

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from ordnance Industry science technology Nov issue

http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/2401/fc126873281mg7jx.jpg

[malhot]

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I wonder if these planes are on joint production-eveything is in Chinese.

[Blitzkrieg]

Re: How to counter indian air superority?

China has a bigger share in the project (also plane made in china) as it is more advanced in the aviation field.

[abhiinalwar]

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Dear All,

I do not unserstand few basic concept about pakistan.As now it is quiet clear that F-16 deal is delayed because US congress would certainly turn down that if it put in these condition when Mushu and Pakistan PM is urging for more help for quake victims.
Now what is need to discuss IAF VS PAF ? :rolleyes:

I know there are lots of so called patriotic persons on both side who just want to increase defence budget.In my view all this would certainly help US and Other West countries as they are largest Arm exporters worlwide.
Does any new plane would get much deference in IAF vs PAF scenario ? I know IAF have already decided to buy more then 200 new Jets out of which 126 new jets ,40 Mig 29 MK2 with new aircraft carrier and 40 new Tejas with Advance weapons systems.All these planes and few new Radars from Israel does not give us certification that we can compete with US in future or we can dominate Indian ocean.But Indian goverment can afford all this because of rapid growth in Economy and our finance minister just stated in Davos infront of 150 delegates from different country that we would cross 800 billion$ mark in this year(2005) only and India is adding around 80 bil $ every year to its Economy.

Latest economy figure released by IMF and worlbank can be seen at: -

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclope…_(nominal)2.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Asian_countries_by_GDP
]
Please think about this and there is no need to indulge in any sort of competition.In my view economy should get first priority.Corruption is our biggest enemy.please move together to remove corruption from everywhere.

India do not want unstable Pakistan and this can be said for Pakistan also because economy always follows cascading effects.Improve trade in this block and sooner we can see improved South Asia.

God help us all.
An Indian

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

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@Blitzkrieg

F16s won’t cut it this time with MKIs, Mirage 2000s and MIG-29 Mrca’s (if and when indian gets them as part 126 jet order..) but even mki and mirage - 2k combination can be deadly.

Like I mentioned before, Jf-17s + F-16s + AWACS is enough for a minimum deterrence. We do not like to indulge in arms race, unlike our neighbours, even when things are calm.

@Blitzkrieg

By the time these saste bhund f16s are inducted, India will not only have enough MKIs but might also be inducting Pak-Fa and maybe even JSF (judging by how cozy indo-us are getting).

India, out of the total 190 Su-30 MKI’s it has ordered, has recieved around… I dunno.. 60? 70?
The delivery of these 77 F-16s will take appr. 2years to complete, and this is the figure given by Lockheed Martin Co. Now, that its delayed, it may take upto 4-6yrs.

Pak-Fa is still on the drawing boards, just like I have my own fantasy plane on a drawing board. Pak-Fa is nothing but a wet-dream right now. You’ve not even made the first prototype, and you are claiming that it will be ready and inducted into the IAF by around 2010… really shows your little knowledge of defence. Pak-Fa hasn’t even reached the wind-tunnel stage. It is only a wet-dream right now. No major tests have been carried out.

& please, don’t bring JSF into this. That is just another wet-dream. JSF’s have not even been offered to India. There are around a dozen or more countries participating in the JSF program, and after America inducts its 300 or so JSF’s which will take atleast 5years, Britain will be the next in line which will take a few years, followed by another counrty which will take a few years, followed by another country which will take a few more years, followed by another country… & in the end, when all of the participating partners have recieved their shares and their supply, if JSF is offered to India, India may buy it. But its common sense, that that wouldn’t happen atleast until year 2020. So please cut the crap, and stop assuming that you will have it inducted into your AF in 5-6years.

Wet-dreams all day long

@Blitzkrieg

Btw, any f16 pakistan get (even if ‘claimed’ to be advanced c/d versions) will be toned down as usual and PAF might not even get AMRAAMs this time either!

Nope. They won’t. We are choosing the package.

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

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@Blitzkrieg

China has a bigger share in the project (also plane made in china) as it is more advanced in the aviation field.

You should come to Pakistan for some Math lessons.

Pakistan & China each have 50% of the share in the project. I do not know which formulas they teach u in India to say that 50% is higher than 50%.

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

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Thank You, for your concerns. I will answer your questions in full detail, very soon.

@abhiinalwar

Dear All,

I do not unserstand few basic concept about pakistan.As now it is quiet clear that F-16 deal is delayed because US congress would certainly turn down that if it put in these condition when Mushu and Pakistan PM is urging for more help for quake victims.
Now what is need to discuss IAF VS PAF ?

I know there are lots of so called patriotic persons on both side who just want to increase defence budget.In my view all this would certainly help US and Other West countries as they are largest Arm exporters worlwide.
Does any new plane would get much deference in IAF vs PAF scenario ? I know IAF have already decided to buy more then 200 new Jets out of which 126 new jets ,40 Mig 29 MK2 with new aircraft carrier and 40 new Tejas with Advance weapons systems.All these planes and few new Radars from Israel does not give us certification that we can compete with US in future or we can dominate Indian ocean.But Indian goverment can afford all this because of rapid growth in Economy and our finance minister just stated in Davos infront of 150 delegates from different country that we would cross 800 billion$ mark in this year(2005) only and India is adding around 80 bil $ every year to its Economy.

Latest economy figure released by IMF and worlbank can be seen at: -

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclope…_(nominal)2.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Asian_countries_by_GDP
]
Please think about this and there is no need to indulge in any sort of competition.In my view economy should get first priority.Corruption is our biggest enemy.please move together to remove corruption from everywhere.

India do not want unstable Pakistan and this can be said for Pakistan also because economy always follows cascading effects.Improve trade in this block and sooner we can see improved South Asia.

God help us all.
An Indian

[RashGuy]

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You should come to Pakistan for some Math lessons.
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Please this comment should be moved to the jokes section.

[Blitzkrieg]

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@_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah

You should come to Pakistan for some Math lessons.

Pakistan & China each have 50% of the share in the project. I do not know which formulas they teach u in India to say that 50% is higher than 50%.

I am from Karachi you duffer!

[Blitzkrieg]

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PS I don't like stupid people making stupid fantasies.

The fact is lahori jhuggay that MKIs are going to be license build by india so they might actually induct it faster. JSF was a given but if not they can get Pak-Fa (about "drawing board", every plane does even raptor which was about close to be cancelled in the late nineties and now will fly albeit reduced numbers).

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

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@Blitzkrieg

I am from Karachi you duffer!

I bet you are.

@Blitzkrieg

PS I don’t like stupid people making stupid fantasies.

The fact is lahori jhuggay that MKIs are going to be license build by india so they might actually induct it faster.

Yes. Its a fact. Who is denying it?

The delivery of F-16s to Pakistan will take appr. 5-6 years, now. Two F-16s are arriving this December.
It took India 1 year to induct** 8 Su-30s** (1997) from Russia. Also, since India is building the planes at home (not all the planes), it will probably take longer to produce, since the Indian scientists/engineers/electricians are not as advanced as the Russian, and the infrastructure and assembly lines in India are not as big and not as advanced as the ones in Russia.

@Blitzkrieg

JSF was a given but if not they can get Pak-Fa (about “drawing board”, every plane does even raptor which was about close to be cancelled in the late nineties and now will fly albeit reduced numbers).

Has the Raptor made it off the drawing boards? Yes . Has the Pak-Fa made it off the drawing board? No. Therefore, it is only a fantasy.
Also, the cancellation of the Raptor has nothing to do with the topic-at-hand. & if you’re trying to say that the F-22 Program was close to cancellation, because it was not stable (i.e. didn’t meet the demands, or not technologically advanced), then let me enlighten you. It was near cancellation, not because of what I mentioned in the brackets above, but because of budget problems.

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

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@RashGuy

Please this comment should be moved to the jokes section.

Your avatar and your posts should be moved to the jokes section.

[abhiinalwar]

Re: How to counter indian air superority?

Dear All,

I am not a defence analysist or personal.I am purely an Software marketing and finance guy!!
But I know and seen some pictures have been published mostly in some newspapers published from maharashtra and MP (India) they shows lots of ceremonies conducted in HAL offices when they deleiver SU-MKI or any other Fighter toys to IAF.According to my knowledge now Su-MKI project is right on track and HAl have been maintaing an average of 1.67 plane per month.mostly they are able to make 18-20 SU-MKI planes in An year. IAF want to increase their capicity to 25 plane in an year but it is not posible at present.
Abhi

[jason_chiu888]

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@malhot

LKC- Hope this helps:hhttp://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/pk.htm

You will realise that India’s economy is almost 10 times bigger than Pakistan’s.!!

Other facts may be compared too-to realise the futility of Pakistan trying to catch up to India.!!!

PEACE is the only way.

your page doesn’t even work. now i understand why india is so backward. they make stories that doesn’t even get close to fiction - forget about reality. i wonder if their nuke works when in war. lol…

[jason_chiu888]

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@klub123

Did u receive any aid / relief from China in this tough time of quake ??

China sazda is as bad as kufr !!

geez… didn’t think people like this are so damn ignorant. don’t u ever read the news papers?

no further comments!