Dear Friends,
as it stands in 2005 the IAF outnumber and outclass the PAF in every department except pilot training.That edge too will be lost soon as the IAF take deliveries of the hawk trainers.
The JF-17 though a remarkable achievement could provide the backbone of PAF but will hardly be the counter to the Mig-29/Su-30 and Mirage2000 of IAF.
What course should the PAF take under these circumstances?
And suppose war breaks out now how do you think the IAF will fare against the PAF?
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You are focusing on a very narrow aspect of Pak's defense.
1.. We face a lot more danger from within, in the form of Mullahtic hate. Bharatis can't do a squat if our house is in order.
- Pakistan needs to develop economically to ward off Bharatis and not some specific plane.
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Dear antiobl,
You are absolutely right about about the dangers withen(though all are not mullahtic) and economic rivalry b/w the 2 nations but since this is a miltary subforum i decided to post this question.
One plane can make a HUGE difference to the defence of a nation.Imagine if pak had no F-86 in 1965 but a inferior plane like F-80?PAF would have been toasted
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^^ 65 was different. Reportedly Pakistan had some cool birds flying high for early warning. Thanks to USA, Pak airforce was the top notch in the region.
However our stupid policies (local and international) resulted in stoppage of air force tech from USA. The result was a truly pathetic war in 1971. We lost our edge due to the absence of those high flying planes.
Modern air war is not fought with just the planes. AWACS do the real job and hot-shots and fighter aces get the credit.
Pakistan airforce needs F-16, F-15s, Apaches and AWACS. Unfortunately there is no Ayub Khan anymore who can get us the toys. Even though Musharraf is a US ally, our policies are now governed by folks who would rather put on the bangles and grass skirt for doing Hula dance.
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that is the tragedy.AWACS are definatly important but fighter capability is equally important.In 1971 the Mig-21 of IAF completely outclassed the F-104 of PAF.
The AWACS support came from the USSR.
I am not aware of any highflying planes in the PAF inventory in 65,can u please elaborate on this
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I think you need to change your thinking - from War to Peace.
Money needs to be spent on rebuilding the quake hit areas, roads, schools, hospitals etc not on fancy planes which each cost USD 30 million or more!!
India is extending its hand of friendship - grasp it with both hands & lets forget about wars.
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It would be too naive to assume that the indians intend to form long-term friendship with pak.I am not against a Non-aggrresion pact with India it will buy time till our armed forces get strong enough to beat India
Ofcourse the quake hit areas shouldbe rebuilt first and people compensated that is top priority.
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BVR missiles & good avionics is all u need in this age. Doesn't matter what type of plane it is.
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F-16s + Jf-17 + AWACS will do the job.
Note that 77 F-16 Block 50/52's are coming at a very very low price. We will have the money afterwards to buy another platform.
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Money needs to be spent on rebuilding the quake hit areas, roads, schools, hospitals etc not on fancy planes which each cost USD 30 million or more!!
India is extending its hand of friendship - grasp it with both hands & lets forget about wars.
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I assume your way of extending a hand of friendship is by wanting to buy 126 MRCAs, after 190 Su-30s?
Its called National Security!
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How to counter indian air superority?
Pray!
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Dumb!
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Good Comment, but the plane also has to be compatable with the different kind of avionics and BVR missiles.
But here again the Indians have a substantial superority while no pakistani plane as of now can carry BVR weapons.Almost all indian fighters carry BVR missiles even the old mig-23s.
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The best way woould be to not get into a fight. Period. After all there is still relatives on both sides of these countries and this could become a case of brother against brother.
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True, but I am afraid that war will be forced upon us sooner or later so better be prepared.
And the best way to do that is to have a qualitative edge over the IAF.
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I cannot believe I agree with you on this one. Both Hindustan and Pakistan face far greater problems internally than from each other. Poverty is our biggest enemy.
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By whom, your military geniuses? Last three wars were staret by Pakistan.
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You don’t have to worry about IAF, their attrition rate is second to none… They are doing great on their own…
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After you have occupied a territory which according to the agreement of partition should be a part of pakistan?The war had started when indian troops flew into srinagar.
sure you might argue the maharaja wanted to join india.
By the same logic what about hyderabad and junagardh?the rulers wanted to join pakistan but india captured them too.
Let us not turn this into a india vs pak political thread it is the military forum and lets keep it strictly that.I will present my perspective and you will give yours there is no end to this discussion,this was NOT the intention of my starting this thread.I only posted the replies above in response to suggestions that we should concentrate on economy and neglect defence issues.
No offense intended.
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Right:) the secret fourth dimension squadorns of PAF take a heavy toll on the Indians.
Let us all pay tribute to our grts ally
the HAL built Mig-21
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2429383.stm
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So you think a Pakistani F-7 pilot has better training than a pilot on MKIs (trained with modern airforces on bvr and other doctrines).